One more thing, Satori.

I'm sorry, Adolf. But not everyone is going to be as skilled as certain people. Just because my kdr is that low right now (Oh deer... I said RIGHT and NOW and placed the words right next to eachother) doesn't mean I can't constantly mow down players in every other match. This right here is probably why your plan for conquest failed in the end, Adolf. You let the text of a simple ratio deceive you.

kdr will still be rising. Deal with it.

I'd explain what I'm really trying to get at here but someone of your stature should be able to figure it out themselves. In all honesty if I came from a corp with a name so sparkly I'd learn to keep my mouth shut when someone I knew nothing about, except kdr, was in my presence.

Lol. I enjoy the burning sides I get when you say "nice kdr" and "kid' 1) Are you really desperate enough to counter someone by being a major creep and adding them as a contact? 2) When did I say "I'm ten years old"? 3) Excuse me for only JUST starting to do well at the end of last build by moving from a .60 to a 1.4 in little over a week with 3 hours of gameplay every OTHER day. I haven't been on in about eight days either.

So do us all a favor and keep your boast hole closed. You have no idea why my kdr is as it is. The answer isn't always that the person sucks. And a matter of fact. If you really want to look intelligent about this whole thing, you should've waited until you got in a match with me and THEN started blabbing away.

I'm not a fan of the dumbed down changes. I'm only saying that the complaining is as ridiculous as the several false assumptions you just threw at me. At least the OP can be intelligent about things with replies unlike you who thinks the way to victory is being an ass hat that believes themselves to know everything about a person by KDR. So please stop wasting your minutes of life posting extremely unconstructive posts on the forums. (EDIT: I.e. Fuse change not needed = opinion, however, I really agree with you there. cooking is better)

Sorry for the double posting but I just have to ask,

Have anyone gotten a quadruple (is that even a word?) nade kill? I mean, Ive gotten plenty of tripple ones but I just got my first four for the price of one, just moments ago. Could it be a first?

"Oh I think the 4 sec fused nade was totally useless since I couldn't be bothered to learn the timeing of them. I need a cruch since without this Easy-mode 2 sec nade I have no way ever of ever killing anybody decent at this game."

Now I stooped down to your level of argument, see how silly it looks?

After telling that its not about protecting my protofits at all, you still keep throwing stuff in my face describing me as an elitist ass-hat. You really need to start comprehending what others are trying to get across to you if you ever want to be taken seriously.

The old 4 sec fuse was very far from useless. I could just lob them over a hill, I could hold them for 1 second for long throws, 2 for intermediate, or I could do hold them for 3 secondds and let them blow up in someones face. If you couldn't use the old nades effectively, then thats entirely your fault, don't blame the game for your own shortcomings.

I am tired of every single engagement in cqc leading to who can spam the most nades. Its boring and I think it will be bad for the game in the long run. Thats all there is to it.

Just because some people can't be bothered to watch the enemy's movements or some people have trouble adapting to a new enemy tactic doesn't mean it should be reverted to the previous method.

Tell me, what exactly makes this new method better?

Adapting is not the issue. I don't say it is annoying because I die to it, that is my fault, I say it is annoying because it's a get out of jail free card. Get caught out of positioning? Better throw a grenade at my foot.

It boils down to this:

Learn to adapt.

You see someone pulling a grenade. That gives you from the time you see them start to throw until it hits the ground PLUS the two second timer to move. Don't want to blow up? Watch what your enemy is doing. If they can throw it at their feet, immediately move out of the way.

Since the start of this whole grenade spam I've learned how to move quickly as soon as the grenades start flying. Once every few matches someone will throw one at just the right moment in just the right way to keep me from being able to get away from it, and props to them. They got me fair and square since I have the same capacity to do the same to them.

Just because some people can't be bothered to watch the enemy's movements or some people have trouble adapting to a new enemy tactic doesn't mean it should be reverted to the previous method.

Note to grenade cookers: Cooking is still doable, you just have to learn the new timing. Try it out.

Note to Breakin Stuff: I love your posts, they are always entertaining even if they do not always accurately address all of the issue's properly.

Sorry for the double post

Well, it leads to needing more situation awareness and a better focus on what your opponent is doing. It leads to players running weaker suits to having a better chance of taking out better suits than their own. It leads to your grenades having a better chance of taking out the targets you intend them to take out. It leads to letting people use grenades from tall places since it's guaranteed to not detonate until it hits something.

Etc.

Also, something doesn't need to be good for Dust to not be bad for it. Tell me, how is it BAD for it? Because all of your excuses for why it should change have already been shown to be weak. Give me 1 good solid reason the new method is BAD for dust and needs to be changed.

EDIT: Also, getting more nade kills than AR kills doesn't make grenades bad, it means you work better with them than the AR

And of course "since the grenade spam". I never said there wasn't one. There is currently also a Mass Driver and Laser Spam.

Note to grenade cookers: Cooking is still doable, you just have to learn the new timing. Try it out.

Note to Breakin Stuff: I love your posts, they are always entertaining even if they do not always accurately address all of the issue's properly.

Sorry for the double post

I liked the older grenades much better.

Short fuses got Remote Explosive's nerfed, and now nades are able to have 3 and are almost as quick as RE's were.

Isn't this the same type of argument as back then? like come on, if you're for these nades this build. you should rally to give me my beloved RE's back and you can die to a scout running right at you to blow you sky high.

Only skill was making you fail to aim and kill me but framerate back them helped scouts out.

More situational awareness? I dont buy it. Spam is spam. And the rest of your first paragraph is basically, its easier for all the people who dont bother to learn how to cook, aim and time the nades. Youre basically saying that we should cater to the least skilled players, I get it. So much for a hard core game.

Well my personal favorite is the new nade mechanics. It used to be perfet, yes it was you scrub, now its spamorama.

Almost everyone I am about to kill at close range toss off a nade at my feet blowing up 2 sec later, this needs to stop.

Bring back the 4 second delay and let the worlds best Dust nade thrower, ME, own the scrubs with my superior timeing and skill.

Bring back the direct hit nades, but limit the damage to 400 like the Fused Locus nades, at lvl 5 grenadier, the 600 damage the Tukkers did was just too much.

Thanks.

Tell me, what exactly makes this new method better?

Adapting is not the issue. I don't say it is annoying because I die to it, that is my fault, I say it is annoying because it's a get out of jail free card. Get caught out of positioning? Better throw a grenade at my foot.

this is as good as the people in general discussion on the EVE forums: "You don't play game the way i want you to! You're doing it Wrong! CCP needs to nerf you so you can't do it wrong anymore!"

sic
EDIT: Also, getting more nade kills than AR kills doesn't make grenades bad, it means you work better with them than the AR

And of course "since the grenade spam". I never said there wasn't one. There is currently also a Mass Driver and Laser Spam.

There is a reason fuses are so long in real life..

CCP perspective- A game is a game, made for fun. The more people who find it fun, the more people there will be to spend cash on it.

Hardcore gamer perspective- people who are new to the game can get kills with them and I find it too easy, so they must be too easy to use.

My perspective- A grenade is a weapon. A very limited range weapon with only 2-3 chances per life to kill someone unless you stand next to a supply depot. As long as it's radius isn't insane and the throw distance isn't stupidly far, it'll do.

And as I said, cooking is still a skill that is rewarding, it just has different timing now. Also, aiming grenades is STILL AND ALWAYS WILL BE important. Dropping a nade at your feet is't the only use for grenades now, as a matter of fact it is the least used grenade tactic by far still.

As for grenade spamming, there was still PLENTY of that going on last build depending on who you were fighting. I used to see 3 people drop gauged hives all beside one corner and just rapid fire grenades down long passageways in ambush. Grenade spam is nothing new, there is just now a new use for it.

And , you are saying that CCP is catering to the least skilled players. No, entirely wrong. These grenades are easy to use for ANYONE, which means the best players benefit from it just as the lesser players do. Just because the lesser players receive a bigger benefit from it does not make it "catering to the least skilled players". When they buffed the Exile AR, all AR players benefited from it not just the new players. That's another debate altogether of course considering the dropped gap between weapons damage etc., but the point stands that all Exile users benefited from the Exile AR damage buff, not just the weakest players who got the most out of the buff.

And to your argument. The 2 second fuse may lead people to play a certain way. But that does not mean they HAVE to play that way. If they use their grenades skillfully, good on them. If they spam them, it's not admirable but it is a valid tactic. You could put it back how it was, or you could not, the problem you seem to be having is that they spam them. If they are cooking a grenade for 2 seconds between grenade spams, is that going to cheer you up and change your mind enough to say it is ok now? It'll be the same thing with 2 seconds between grenade tosses. You are trying to fix a spam problem by changing the item itself. It would be better to have a longer animation and a cooldown between tosses than to keep fooling with when it blows up

So what you're saying is, you're mad your kdr is bad? Okay. I didn't even say you suck. I know plenty of people with 1:1 KDRs who are good. Take your "keep your boast hole closed" advice next time maybe? 1.4 is hardly "mowing people down".

I don't even understand what you were getting at. The only thing I have ever said was that the fuse change was wrong, and you say you agree, yet you responded telling me I don't know how to fit my dropsuits(which are all shield tanked mind you).


PS I'm fluffy not sparkly