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Coyskurk
3dge of D4rkness
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Posted - 2013.01.04 14:19:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:CCP Frame wrote:This thread is now moved to Feedback/Requests section as it is more suitable for it :)
Keep it constructive, guys. How about you being a little constructive and tell us what the reasons for implementing this obviously very spam and noob friendly new mechanics was? And Id like to hear if this issue is under discussion in the DEV team at all. You might also tell me why a 400 HP damage nade takes out my 544 hp protosuit in one blow? And CCP, do you really want this level of random nade spam that we see in the games now in Dust? First time I ever got any DEVs in my thread and instead of commenting the issue at hand, you tell us to be constructive, how about you practice what you preach? And I mean it, this is currently my nr 1. issue with Dust, it really takes out much of the joy for me and obviously many others too.
Only read to the grenade part. Thus I will explain them. Shields are strong against explosives. So the 400 damage will be "nerfed" a bit on shields. However once it reaches armor it's strength increases more so than it decreased on the shields. Thus increasing it to 544. EVE logic. If this still bothers you. There's a thing called tanking. I'd do it with your shields :P
Edit: Besides. This is what grenades are for. This is why our military makes them. To blow things up with a single toss. "I DON'T LIKE THE GRENADES BECAUSE THEY'RE TOO MUCH LIKE GRENAAAAADES WAAAAAAAAAAAH" is all I see when I read the first post. |
Coyskurk
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.04 14:23:00 -
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And I honestly don't see any sense in being able to take three nades like we did in the last build. THAT is the nonsense. Any good FPS has someway you can get a nade to kill in one hit without doing anything to enemy first. |
Coyskurk
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.04 14:32:00 -
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Gunner Visari wrote:Im not sure about earilier builds but in the current one leveling up grenadier doesnt do anything in terms of radius or dmg of the grenade all they do is unlock the higher tier nades.
Was it different before?
You could very easily not die by grenades. You were like a nade sponge if you were actually GOOD. Still are if you're actually GOOD. The OP isn't a tryhard because he can't find a counter to grenades with completely realistic mechanics. |
Coyskurk
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.04 14:40:00 -
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SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote:The 2second timer is ridiculous. Every single noob you see now doesn't even bother shooting their gun, they just throw nades at their feet as they run away. I don't know when the last time I killed someone and they weren't dropping a grenade was. It's annoying and takes away from gameplay.
Get a better fit and I'm sure that it will be made clear that the noob's obvious militia nade only wanted to give you a little tickle :D. WE are supposed to PREPARE for things like this. We are supposed to be ready for anything. We're mercs in game. So why don't we just start PLAYING like mercs? If you DON'T want ALL types of nades ruining your day then for the love of fake tryhards. TRY HARD and SHIELD TANK.
OF COURSE A HIGHER TIER OF NADE IS GONNA DESTROY YOU. If a "noob" runs out of ammo in his mag because it's just not his day (We all have moments where everything is garbage, more so for others) he can strategically plant one at his feet and take cover. What if he already killed three other people and before he could reload you came along and pushed him to the "noobery" you call this? In my experience. I usually ALWAYS have to do this as I'm mowing down enemies to the point where I'm constantly reloading on the frontline. And it's not thanks to the grenade I'm getting the majority of the kills. Otherwise I'd be restocking every three seconds. Not RELOADING every ten. |
Coyskurk
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.04 16:43:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:Coyskurk wrote:KingBabar wrote:CCP Frame wrote:This thread is now moved to Feedback/Requests section as it is more suitable for it :)
Keep it constructive, guys. How about you being a little constructive and tell us what the reasons for implementing this obviously very spam and noob friendly new mechanics was? And Id like to hear if this issue is under discussion in the DEV team at all. You might also tell me why a 400 HP damage nade takes out my 544 hp protosuit in one blow? And CCP, do you really want this level of random nade spam that we see in the games now in Dust? First time I ever got any DEVs in my thread and instead of commenting the issue at hand, you tell us to be constructive, how about you practice what you preach? And I mean it, this is currently my nr 1. issue with Dust, it really takes out much of the joy for me and obviously many others too. Only read to the grenade part. Thus I will explain them. Shields are strong against explosives. So the 400 damage will be "nerfed" a bit on shields. However once it reaches armor it's strength increases more so than it decreased on the shields. Thus increasing it to 544. EVE logic. If this still bothers you. There's a thing called tanking. I'd do it with your shields :P Edit: Besides. This is what grenades are for. This is why our military makes them. To blow things up with a single toss. "I DON'T LIKE THE GRENADES BECAUSE THEY'RE TOO MUCH LIKE GRENAAAAADES WAAAAAAAAAAAH" is all I see when I read the first post. First of thanks for the input, I hadn't though about how explosions affect shields and armor differently. An actual factual contributon to the discussion, nice job ! + 1 And to the second part, there is nades that you can actually throw instantly (no settings and so on) that will blow up in 2 seconds? Really? 2 Seconds in real life? (Real life arguments is however a fail since game mechanics and fun is far more important than realism, at least in a futuristic game.) In any case, I don't really have a big grind against the damage output, its the 2 sec fuse that annoys the hell out of me. Why not have a 4 sec fuse for the normal ones and then bring back the direct hit ones for the cqc spamming? Making people actually having to skill into them. I still haven't yet seen anybody say, lets keep this mechanic, having people spam 2 sec fused nades all over the place all day long is good for the game because ________________.
Yes there are in fact (Or were) short fused grenades for tight area encounters if you need to quickly clear a room or something of the matter. |
Coyskurk
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.04 16:45:00 -
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Crm234 wrote:i like the grenades at the moment, between the terrible throw mechanics and the 2 sec fuse as has been said it equals about 4 secs. Grenades are like rattlers on a snake telling you to not come close to me or make camping harder. I think there is a bigger problem with the noobtubing mass drivers then grenades at the moment but i guess every game has to have a noobtube.
You do know that the sights on the mass driver are absolute BS, right? You simply can't do well with a driver while looking down the sights. The new update, seriously, didn't help at all.
Edit (Cos spamming is bad): I don't see how not aiming down sights is noobery. It takes more skill to estimate proectile drop and travel aiming from the hip than it does looking down a sight that normally (we're talking future. Things are more informative now) would show you the trajectory and crap of what the gun is gonna fire. Noob tubing is something a CoD fanboy that gets shot down by too many rockets says when he gets killed by rocketeers when it's his own lack of battlefield awareness. If you're smart you scope out your area even in the heat of battle. I do it, all my friends do it, my rivals do it, why you can't do it is beyond me. Grenade launchers, by the way are intended to be fired from the hip. Mainly underslung.
The constant invasion of noobs making up negative titles for actually skilled players must be suppressed. The existence of these people must be no more. HTFU and deal with the perfectly normal tactics used against you.
This was more of a rant than a pile of facts but it doesn't really matter. You probably were gonna refuse to face the facts anyways as you are dull enough to use the term nubetube on those who rocket kill you without aiming down the sights. |
Coyskurk
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
39
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Posted - 2013.01.04 17:02:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:Coyskurk wrote:And I honestly don't see any sense in being able to take three nades like we did in the last build. THAT is the nonsense. Any good FPS has someway you can get a nade to kill in one hit without doing anything to enemy first. What? 3 nades? Not very well placed then, I killed a lot of people with only one, though be it a good hit.
Strange. I constantly was able to take grenades by the pairs. Guess people really do stink. And the grenades fuse doesn't start (Normally) until after it hits something this build. |
Coyskurk
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.05 04:38:00 -
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SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote:Coyskurk wrote:SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote:The 2second timer is ridiculous. Every single noob you see now doesn't even bother shooting their gun, they just throw nades at their feet as they run away. I don't know when the last time I killed someone and they weren't dropping a grenade was. It's annoying and takes away from gameplay. Get a better fit and I'm sure that it will be made clear that the noob's obvious militia nade only wanted to give you a little tickle :D. WE are supposed to PREPARE for things like this. We are supposed to be ready for anything. We're mercs in game. So why don't we just start PLAYING like mercs? If you DON'T want ALL types of nades ruining your day then for the love of fake tryhards. TRY HARD and SHIELD TANK. OF COURSE A HIGHER TIER OF NADE IS GONNA DESTROY YOU. If a "noob" runs out of ammo in his mag because it's just not his day (We all have moments where everything is garbage, more so for others) he can strategically plant one at his feet and take cover. What if he already killed three other people and before he could reload you came along and pushed him to the "noobery" you call this? In my experience. I usually ALWAYS have to do this as I'm mowing down enemies to the point where I'm constantly reloading on the frontline. And it's not thanks to the grenade I'm getting the majority of the kills. Otherwise I'd be restocking every three seconds. Not RELOADING every ten. You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about, and don't even warrant a proper response. "I'm mowing down enemies" nice 1.4 kdr kid The fuse change to the grenades was not needed, and did nothing but make them stupidly easy to use now. I'm sorry you like changes that dumb the game down, but you'll still be bad in the end.
Lol. I enjoy the burning sides I get when you say "nice kdr" and "kid' 1) Are you really desperate enough to counter someone by being a major creep and adding them as a contact? 2) When did I say "I'm ten years old"? 3) Excuse me for only JUST starting to do well at the end of last build by moving from a .60 to a 1.4 in little over a week with 3 hours of gameplay every OTHER day. I haven't been on in about eight days either.
So do us all a favor and keep your boast hole closed. You have no idea why my kdr is as it is. The answer isn't always that the person sucks. And a matter of fact. If you really want to look intelligent about this whole thing, you should've waited until you got in a match with me and THEN started blabbing away.
I'm not a fan of the dumbed down changes. I'm only saying that the complaining is as ridiculous as the several false assumptions you just threw at me. At least the OP can be intelligent about things with replies unlike you who thinks the way to victory is being an ass hat that believes themselves to know everything about a person by KDR. So please stop wasting your minutes of life posting extremely unconstructive posts on the forums. (EDIT: I.e. Fuse change not needed = opinion, however, I really agree with you there. cooking is better) |
Coyskurk
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.05 04:50:00 -
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One more thing, Satori.
I'm sorry. But not everyone is going to be as skilled as certain people. Just because my kdr is that low right now (Oh deer... I said RIGHT and NOW and placed the words right next to eachother) doesn't mean I can't constantly mow down players in every other match. This right here is probably why your plan for conquest failed in the end, Adolf. You let the text of a simple ratio deceive you.
kdr will still be rising. Deal with it.
I'd explain what I'm really trying to get at here but someone of your stature should be able to figure it out themselves. In all honesty if I came from a corp with a name so sparkly I'd learn to keep my mouth shut when someone I knew nothing about, except kdr, was in my presence. |
Coyskurk
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
39
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Posted - 2013.01.06 19:06:00 -
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SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote:Coyskurk wrote:SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote:Coyskurk wrote:SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote:The 2second timer is ridiculous. Every single noob you see now doesn't even bother shooting their gun, they just throw nades at their feet as they run away. I don't know when the last time I killed someone and they weren't dropping a grenade was. It's annoying and takes away from gameplay. Get a better fit and I'm sure that it will be made clear that the noob's obvious militia nade only wanted to give you a little tickle :D. WE are supposed to PREPARE for things like this. We are supposed to be ready for anything. We're mercs in game. So why don't we just start PLAYING like mercs? If you DON'T want ALL types of nades ruining your day then for the love of fake tryhards. TRY HARD and SHIELD TANK. OF COURSE A HIGHER TIER OF NADE IS GONNA DESTROY YOU. If a "noob" runs out of ammo in his mag because it's just not his day (We all have moments where everything is garbage, more so for others) he can strategically plant one at his feet and take cover. What if he already killed three other people and before he could reload you came along and pushed him to the "noobery" you call this? In my experience. I usually ALWAYS have to do this as I'm mowing down enemies to the point where I'm constantly reloading on the frontline. And it's not thanks to the grenade I'm getting the majority of the kills. Otherwise I'd be restocking every three seconds. Not RELOADING every ten. You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about, and don't even warrant a proper response. "I'm mowing down enemies" nice 1.4 kdr kid The fuse change to the grenades was not needed, and did nothing but make them stupidly easy to use now. I'm sorry you like changes that dumb the game down, but you'll still be bad in the end. Lol. I enjoy the burning sides I get when you say "nice kdr" and "kid' 1) Are you really desperate enough to counter someone by being a major creep and adding them as a contact? 2) When did I say "I'm ten years old"? 3) Excuse me for only JUST starting to do well at the end of last build by moving from a .60 to a 1.4 in little over a week with 3 hours of gameplay every OTHER day. I haven't been on in about eight days either. So do us all a favor and keep your boast hole closed. You have no idea why my kdr is as it is. The answer isn't always that the person sucks. And a matter of fact. If you really want to look intelligent about this whole thing, you should've waited until you got in a match with me and THEN started blabbing away. I'm not a fan of the dumbed down changes. I'm only saying that the complaining is as ridiculous as the several false assumptions you just threw at me. At least the OP can be intelligent about things with replies unlike you who thinks the way to victory is being an ass hat that believes themselves to know everything about a person by KDR. So please stop wasting your minutes of life posting extremely unconstructive posts on the forums. (EDIT: I.e. Fuse change not needed = opinion, however, I really agree with you there. cooking is better) So what you're saying is, you're mad your kdr is bad? Okay. I didn't even say you suck. I know plenty of people with 1:1 KDRs who are good. Take your "keep your boast hole closed" advice next time maybe? 1.4 is hardly "mowing people down". I don't even understand what you were getting at. The only thing I have ever said was that the fuse change was wrong, and you say you agree, yet you responded telling me I don't know how to fit my dropsuits(which are all shield tanked mind you). PS I'm fluffy not sparkly
Lol. Well you did say I liked dumbed down changes and crap. That's not just saying the fuse is wrong. Which it is. I was only saying throwing a grenade (Even cooking it) at the ground to clear out skill lacking chargers is a good tactic when out of rounds |
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