I think the reason the M1 seems OP is that its cheap/effective and the dmg drop off is not high enough. At the very edge of the explosive radius is still seems to be able to take out the shield of most suits (or severely dmg them). If the dmg drop off was greater such that only within like a 2 meter radius it does its full 600 dmg and then it drops off fast.

Not gonna be rude or anything, but nobody is better at nades then HALO players its kinda our thing

Im not sure about earilier builds but in the current one leveling up grenadier doesnt do anything in terms of radius or dmg of the grenade all they do is unlock the higher tier nades.

Was it different before?

This thread is now moved to Feedback/Requests section as it is more suitable for it :)

Keep it constructive, guys.

Because the game is designed to be brutal to everyone, not just new players. CCP builds the sandbox, gives us the toys, then makes bets on which of us get buried in it.

THERE IS NO NICHE PROTECTION FOR THE ELITE.

If the rest of us can figure out ways to kill you that are dirty, underhanded, cheap, noobish, etc. I submit that you need to learn something.

Learn to dodge all the grenades were throwing.

Learn to not chase guys like me around corners.

Learn i do everything in my power to deny an idiot a chance to do the teabag thing.

Oh ya, if i blow up your proto fit with a locus grenade? then its working as intended.

No sympathy for the crowd that tells newer and less skilled players to L2play.

We learned to play on our terms, not yours. your turn to adapt now. lets see if you can. dont nerf anything else. the weaponry and armor should not be watered down homogenous one-tactic wonders.

And no you cant have supar AR back.

Only read to the grenade part. Thus I will explain them. Shields are strong against explosives. So the 400 damage will be "nerfed" a bit on shields. However once it reaches armor it's strength increases more so than it decreased on the shields. Thus increasing it to 544. EVE logic. If this still bothers you. There's a thing called tanking. I'd do it with your shields :P

Edit: Besides. This is what grenades are for. This is why our military makes them. To blow things up with a single toss. "I DON'T LIKE THE GRENADES BECAUSE THEY'RE TOO MUCH LIKE GRENAAAAADES WAAAAAAAAAAAH" is all I see when I read the first post.

And I honestly don't see any sense in being able to take three nades like we did in the last build. THAT is the nonsense. Any good FPS has someway you can get a nade to kill in one hit without doing anything to enemy first.

I hate the "i'm going down and taking you with me" nade spam as much as the next guy

but.....saying that the grenade mechanics were "great" or "perfect" in prior builds is....well, poor judgement IMO.

Prior builds only half the nades you threw actually detonated, often could go across the map or two feet in front of you regardless of how you tossed them, and sometimes never even came out of your hand. I fail to see how those mechanics are better than they are currently.

Chances are they were so inconsistent before you just didn't notice them as much.

I consider myself fairly decent with nades and while I will complain when I see the death rattle nade come out, the mechanics are much better than they were before.

A good compromise would be to have the skill associated have more of an impact on your ability to use militia variants, throw the grenade accurately, more quickly, and / or with a reduced timer.

It boils down to this:

Learn to adapt.

You see someone pulling a grenade. That gives you from the time you see them start to throw until it hits the ground PLUS the two second timer to move. Don't want to blow up? Watch what your enemy is doing. If they can throw it at their feet, immediately move out of the way.

Since the start of this whole grenade spam I've learned how to move quickly as soon as the grenades start flying. Once every few matches someone will throw one at just the right moment in just the right way to keep me from being able to get away from it, and props to them. They got me fair and square since I have the same capacity to do the same to them.

Just because some people can't be bothered to watch the enemy's movements or some people have trouble adapting to a new enemy tactic doesn't mean it should be reverted to the previous method.

Note to grenade cookers: Cooking is still doable, you just have to learn the new timing. Try it out.

Note to Breakin Stuff: I love your posts, they are always entertaining even if they do not always accurately address all of the issue's properly.

Sorry for the double post

Well, it leads to needing more situation awareness and a better focus on what your opponent is doing. It leads to players running weaker suits to having a better chance of taking out better suits than their own. It leads to your grenades having a better chance of taking out the targets you intend them to take out. It leads to letting people use grenades from tall places since it's guaranteed to not detonate until it hits something.

Etc.

Also, something doesn't need to be good for Dust to not be bad for it. Tell me, how is it BAD for it? Because all of your excuses for why it should change have already been shown to be weak. Give me 1 good solid reason the new method is BAD for dust and needs to be changed.

EDIT: Also, getting more nade kills than AR kills doesn't make grenades bad, it means you work better with them than the AR

And of course "since the grenade spam". I never said there wasn't one. There is currently also a Mass Driver and Laser Spam.

CCP perspective- A game is a game, made for fun. The more people who find it fun, the more people there will be to spend cash on it.

Hardcore gamer perspective- people who are new to the game can get kills with them and I find it too easy, so they must be too easy to use.

My perspective- A grenade is a weapon. A very limited range weapon with only 2-3 chances per life to kill someone unless you stand next to a supply depot. As long as it's radius isn't insane and the throw distance isn't stupidly far, it'll do.

And as I said, cooking is still a skill that is rewarding, it just has different timing now. Also, aiming grenades is STILL AND ALWAYS WILL BE important. Dropping a nade at your feet is't the only use for grenades now, as a matter of fact it is the least used grenade tactic by far still.

As for grenade spamming, there was still PLENTY of that going on last build depending on who you were fighting. I used to see 3 people drop gauged hives all beside one corner and just rapid fire grenades down long passageways in ambush. Grenade spam is nothing new, there is just now a new use for it.

And , you are saying that CCP is catering to the least skilled players. No, entirely wrong. These grenades are easy to use for ANYONE, which means the best players benefit from it just as the lesser players do. Just because the lesser players receive a bigger benefit from it does not make it "catering to the least skilled players". When they buffed the Exile AR, all AR players benefited from it not just the new players. That's another debate altogether of course considering the dropped gap between weapons damage etc., but the point stands that all Exile users benefited from the Exile AR damage buff, not just the weakest players who got the most out of the buff.

And to your argument. The 2 second fuse may lead people to play a certain way. But that does not mean they HAVE to play that way. If they use their grenades skillfully, good on them. If they spam them, it's not admirable but it is a valid tactic. You could put it back how it was, or you could not, the problem you seem to be having is that they spam them. If they are cooking a grenade for 2 seconds between grenade spams, is that going to cheer you up and change your mind enough to say it is ok now? It'll be the same thing with 2 seconds between grenade tosses. You are trying to fix a spam problem by changing the item itself. It would be better to have a longer animation and a cooldown between tosses than to keep fooling with when it blows up