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Keep it constructive, guys.

How about you being a little constructive and tell us what the reasons for implementing this obviously very spam and noob friendly new mechanics was? And Id like to hear if this issue is under discussion in the DEV team at all.

You might also tell me why a 400 HP damage nade takes out my 544 hp protosuit in one blow?

And CCP, do you really want this level of random nade spam that we see in the games now in Dust?

First time I ever got any DEVs in my thread and instead of commenting the issue at hand, you tell us to be constructive, how about you practice what you preach?

And I mean it, this is currently my nr 1. issue with Dust, it really takes out much of the joy for me and obviously many others too.

Because the game is designed to be brutal to everyone, not just new players. CCP builds the sandbox, gives us the toys, then makes bets on which of us get buried in it.

THERE IS NO NICHE PROTECTION FOR THE ELITE.

If the rest of us can figure out ways to kill you that are dirty, underhanded, cheap, noobish, etc. I submit that you need to learn something.

Learn to dodge all the grenades were throwing.

Learn to not chase guys like me around corners.

Learn i do everything in my power to deny an idiot a chance to do the teabag thing.

Oh ya, if i blow up your proto fit with a locus grenade? then its working as intended.

No sympathy for the crowd that tells newer and less skilled players to L2play.

We learned to play on our terms, not yours. your turn to adapt now. lets see if you can. dont nerf anything else. the weaponry and armor should not be watered down homogenous one-tactic wonders.

And no you cant have supar AR back.

Well my personal favorite is the new nade mechanics. It used to be perfet, yes it was you scrub, now its spamorama.

Almost everyone I am about to kill at close range toss off a nade at my feet blowing up 2 sec later, this needs to stop.

Bring back the 4 second delay and let the worlds best Dust nade thrower, ME, own the scrubs with my superior timeing and skill.

Bring back the direct hit nades, but limit the damage to 400 like the Fused Locus nades, at lvl 5 grenadier, the 600 damage the Tukkers did was just too much.

Thanks.

How about you being a little constructive and tell us what the reasons for implementing this obviously very spam and noob friendly new mechanics was? And Id like to hear if this issue is under discussion in the DEV team at all.

You might also tell me why a 400 HP damage nade takes out my 544 hp protosuit in one blow?

And CCP, do you really want this level of random nade spam that we see in the games now in Dust?

First time I ever got any DEVs in my thread and instead of commenting the issue at hand, you tell us to be constructive, how about you practice what you preach?

And I mean it, this is currently my nr 1. issue with Dust, it really takes out much of the joy for me and obviously many others too.

Im not sure about earilier builds but in the current one leveling up grenadier doesnt do anything in terms of radius or dmg of the grenade all they do is unlock the higher tier nades.

Was it different before?

The 2second timer is ridiculous. Every single noob you see now doesn't even bother shooting their gun, they just throw nades at their feet as they run away. I don't know when the last time I killed someone and they weren't dropping a grenade was. It's annoying and takes away from gameplay.

Only read to the grenade part. Thus I will explain them. Shields are strong against explosives. So the 400 damage will be "nerfed" a bit on shields. However once it reaches armor it's strength increases more so than it decreased on the shields. Thus increasing it to 544. EVE logic. If this still bothers you. There's a thing called tanking. I'd do it with your shields :P

Edit: Besides. This is what grenades are for. This is why our military makes them. To blow things up with a single toss. "I DON'T LIKE THE GRENADES BECAUSE THEY'RE TOO MUCH LIKE GRENAAAAADES WAAAAAAAAAAAH" is all I see when I read the first post.

And I honestly don't see any sense in being able to take three nades like we did in the last build. THAT is the nonsense. Any good FPS has someway you can get a nade to kill in one hit without doing anything to enemy first.

First of thanks for the input, I hadn't though about how explosions affect shields and armor differently. An actual factual contributon to the discussion, nice job ! + 1

And to the second part, there is nades that you can actually throw instantly (no settings and so on) that will blow up in 2 seconds? Really? 2 Seconds in real life? (Real life arguments is however a fail since game mechanics and fun is far more important than realism, at least in a futuristic game.)

In any case, I don't really have a big grind against the damage output, its the 2 sec fuse that annoys the hell out of me. Why not have a 4 sec fuse for the normal ones and then bring back the direct hit ones for the cqc spamming? Making people actually having to skill into them.

I still haven't yet seen anybody say, lets keep this mechanic, having people spam 2 sec fused nades all over the place all day long is good for the game because ________________.

i like the grenades at the moment, between the terrible throw mechanics and the 2 sec fuse as has been said it equals about 4 secs. Grenades are like rattlers on a snake telling you to not come close to me or make camping harder. I think there is a bigger problem with the noobtubing mass drivers then grenades at the moment but i guess every game has to have a noobtube.

What? 3 nades? Not very well placed then, I killed a lot of people with only one, though be it a good hit.

[quote=Crm234]i like the grenades at the moment, between the terrible throw mechanics and the 2 sec fuse as has been said it equals about 4 secs. Grenades are like rattlers on a snake telling you to not come close to me or make camping harder. I think there is a bigger problem with the noobtubing mass drivers then grenades at the moment but i guess every game has to have a noobtube.

I hate the "i'm going down and taking you with me" nade spam as much as the next guy

but.....saying that the grenade mechanics were "great" or "perfect" in prior builds is....well, poor judgement IMO.

Prior builds only half the nades you threw actually detonated, often could go across the map or two feet in front of you regardless of how you tossed them, and sometimes never even came out of your hand. I fail to see how those mechanics are better than they are currently.

Chances are they were so inconsistent before you just didn't notice them as much.

I consider myself fairly decent with nades and while I will complain when I see the death rattle nade come out, the mechanics are much better than they were before.

A good compromise would be to have the skill associated have more of an impact on your ability to use militia variants, throw the grenade accurately, more quickly, and / or with a reduced timer.

Skill takes a backseat to denying victory to an enemy. suicide ganking makes this possible and gives me a warm fuzzy feeling

I play to win, not to prove my skillz.

Well my personal favorite is the new nade mechanics. It used to be perfet, yes it was you scrub, now its spamorama.

Almost everyone I am about to kill at close range toss off a nade at my feet blowing up 2 sec later, this needs to stop.

Bring back the 4 second delay and let the worlds best Dust nade thrower, ME, own the scrubs with my superior timeing and skill.

Bring back the direct hit nades, but limit the damage to 400 like the Fused Locus nades, at lvl 5 grenadier, the 600 damage the Tukkers did was just too much.

Thanks.

Get a better fit and I'm sure that it will be made clear that the noob's obvious militia nade only wanted to give you a little tickle :D. WE are supposed to PREPARE for things like this. We are supposed to be ready for anything. We're mercs in game. So why don't we just start PLAYING like mercs? If you DON'T want ALL types of nades ruining your day then for the love of fake tryhards. TRY HARD and SHIELD TANK.

OF COURSE A HIGHER TIER OF NADE IS GONNA DESTROY YOU. If a "noob" runs out of ammo in his mag because it's just not his day (We all have moments where everything is garbage, more so for others) he can strategically plant one at his feet and take cover. What if he already killed three other people and before he could reload you came along and pushed him to the "noobery" you call this? In my experience. I usually ALWAYS have to do this as I'm mowing down enemies to the point where I'm constantly reloading on the frontline. And it's not thanks to the grenade I'm getting the majority of the kills. Otherwise I'd be restocking every three seconds. Not RELOADING every ten.

You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about, and don't even warrant a proper response.

"I'm mowing down enemies" nice 1.4 kdr kid


The fuse change to the grenades was not needed, and did nothing but make them stupidly easy to use now. I'm sorry you like changes that dumb the game down, but you'll still be bad in the end.

One more thing, Satori.

I'm sorry, Adolf. But not everyone is going to be as skilled as certain people. Just because my kdr is that low right now (Oh deer... I said RIGHT and NOW and placed the words right next to eachother) doesn't mean I can't constantly mow down players in every other match. This right here is probably why your plan for conquest failed in the end, Adolf. You let the text of a simple ratio deceive you.

kdr will still be rising. Deal with it.

I'd explain what I'm really trying to get at here but someone of your stature should be able to figure it out themselves. In all honesty if I came from a corp with a name so sparkly I'd learn to keep my mouth shut when someone I knew nothing about, except kdr, was in my presence.