You know that the only thing wrong with the LR right now is that you can boost its range to the absurd with the sharpshooter skill. Everything else is pretty much fine. The heat buildup might need to be sped up a tiny bit to bring the LR more in line with the recoil of traditional guns, but everything else...yeah, there's no reason to rant about it.

Just because you put a lot of effort into making your post seem like a weapon is not OP does not mean it's not OP.

BUT the laser rifles are able to project their damage in inverse manner to AR's: while AR's are now getting inaccurate over range, laser stays accurate.

I think most people who feel that laser rifles are overpowered don't really understand the weapon mechanics behind it. It truly is a unique weapon the breaks away from the same old SMG/AR/Shotty/Sniper mold that is in every single game. This is why I was drawn to it.

If you feel the laser rifle is overpowered. Try it and see for yourself.

I think most people who feel that laser rifles are overpowered don't really understand the weapon mechanics behind it. It truly is a unique weapon the breaks away from the same old SMG/AR/Shotty/Sniper mold that is in every single game. This is why I was drawn to it.

If you feel the laser rifle is overpowered. Try it and see for yourself.

This is the only relevant part of your post. The range at maximum for laser rifles makes them a healthy replacement for sniper rifles, which I don't think anyone really wants.

This is the only relevant part of your post. The range at maximum for laser rifles makes them a healthy replacement for sniper rifles, which I don't think anyone really wants.

Yeah. I want that. Why should a proud soldier of the Amarr empire be forced to use a caldari slugthrower to damage enemies at long range?

besides - there are a few reasons the laser file seems OP but it actually isn't.

the first and foremost reason is that damage mods are bugged. they are not supposed to stack this well, as the item description says there should be a stacking penalty. removing that extra 10-20% damage that many lasers get from 2-3 complex damage mod will mean the damage when the beam is fully heated will be much less.

the second reason the LR seems OP is that the old counters that used to work don't anymore. An AR cannot out shoot a LR at range anymore. Hybrid blasters (the AR is an example, the shotgun is another) are not long range weapons. they have crazy dps in CQC but don't expect too much from it at range. get in close and you'll have a better chance.

the third reason the LR seems op is the fact that not all the weapons that will be in dust have been released yet. who knows what will be added to change things up so don't call in the nerf-hammer onto the LR quite yet.

these factors all snowball into lasers seeming like the deadliest thing out there but in reality the things that need to be changed aren't so much the gun itself it is a few things surrounding the gun.

Lasers are not OP. Not at all, I can kill 2 people with the first half of the clip, then kill 4 more with the rest of the clip because of over heat damage. I can pretty much do that barely letting go of the trigger too. Then I have my trust SMG next to me to kill the close up enemies.

Yeah not OP at all.




Sarcasm

Tbh a good player can do the same with a proto AR with similiar ratio in ammo, so dont see the argument unless you want to elaborate. You cant do this in any scenario in any case, but when people cluster and arent in top notch gear, sure it can work out that way, but thats thier issue and being at range, its also not a common occurance

Where as a proto AR can kill 4 in closer range with exausting a similiar amount of ammo when thinking on a ratio standpoint.


This being said i call BS on the 'first half a clip' part, maybe 1 kill first half, 3 kills second half , because second half is usually the well heated end of it. This is significant because it means there is still time before you spot the prey and actually nab the kill

a proto AR can't kill any decent heavy in one clip. I can't 6 piece anything with a AR, so yeah.

Edited my post a a bit, but i can still reply to this as it doesnt pertain to edit.

Yeah an LR can kill a decent heavy in one clip, if a heavy stays in the open to be hit and at a distance. But that's where specialization and team tactics some into play. Which then draws a question as to how 'decent' they are to be in the open.


In similiar sense, so can a proto AR if a heavy made himself easy prey like that. With an AR you also get a lot of mobility, so that makes up for it, where as an LR user you dont have that mobility

Just STFU and think before you post! Laser have exactly the same mobility as an AR! Lasers don't make you slower do they? No!!!

I run around with the laser, I just stay in optimal range of everybody.

Damage build up when hot is quite honestly ridiculous. Lvl 1 laser fries 2 heavies in about 10-15 ammo. Last 10-15 in the clip mind.
The REAL problem is that while almost all other weapons Proto damage was tuned down, lasers were left the same AND has mechanic fixes (heat up times ect). Swarmer is the same (do some quick Maths with a top swarm & damage mods for DPS).
It's overpowered, because it wasn't rebalanced like the rest.

[quote=Victor 'LifeLine' Ramous][quote=Victor 'LifeLine' Ramous]
The Imperfects have already have shown that lasers are OP. I can kill anybody with the damn toxin. We have went on the HK server and camped the South part of the map with all lasers. Guess what happen? Not one of us died and we combined to have 60+ kills. Yeah that CQC combat where laser suck, didn't even happen because nobody could reach my un-effective range because the lasers melted them in 2 seconds.

The only way a laser dies is if he doesn't see the enemy coming.

I can hold one corner of the map all by my self with the laser. Hey anybody can hold the corner of the map and have a great AOE with the laser all by themselves.

Okay... so, let me get this straight, you stayed in a corner of a map with lasers and got kills. So you stat padded? Are you going to call snipers OP if a group of snipers went up in hills and just camped an entire game, feeding eachother nanohives and picking off people?

At the end of the day, you may of gotten that but i question how effective you'd be against an organized squad or team with that tactic, chances are you'd have to move around because points are being taken and you'd end up losing the game.

Weapon isnt OP, you're just pubstarring.

Well unlike lasers, snipers don't fire a continuos beam of sunshine that can damage me, i can make a sniper miss and dodge their fire while firing back, You cant not in any way shape or form make a LR miss their target all you can do is take cover from it. Which half the time doesnt work because it seems laser at time cut right through the obstacles and bend ever so slightly around objects, it doesnt do a good job of blocking the beam like it should that is nonsense.

This is the only relevant part of your post. The range at maximum for laser rifles makes them a healthy replacement for sniper rifles, which I don't think anyone really wants.

Laser riflez are simple OP, I have level one with a toxin and can destroy anyone, far, medium, cqc, no problem. please do not tell me that my own weapon isn't OP because it is, and it's militia.

Laser rifles wont win skirmish matches simply cause you cant assault a objective with it. Oh and about getting 35 kills + on a ambush match against idiots is not really hard to pull off. With a laser you get yourself in a nice position where hostile players wont spawn stright next to you due to the spawn system. And i know what the Impotents try to achieve here.
1. getting lasers nerfed
2. getting their TAC AR back how it was before it got balanced

both points combined would mean that they can again outrange lasers with more damage with their modded controllers. Basically they want their "I WIN BUTTON" on the rapid fire controller back. Sorry but this aint going to happend.

WASTED MONEY

I've been noticing a lot of laser rifle kills auto bleed out their target. Anyone else experience this?

too much logic in this... expect to be trolled.

Where are the haters? looks like this orbital logic strike owned them

[quote=Victor 'LifeLine' Ramous][quote=Victor 'LifeLine' Ramous]
The Imperfects have already have shown that lasers are OP. I can kill anybody with the damn toxin. We have went on the HK server and camped the South part of the map with all lasers. Guess what happen? Not one of us died and we combined to have 60+ kills. Yeah that CQC combat where laser suck, didn't even happen because nobody could reach my un-effective range because the lasers melted them in 2 seconds.

The only way a laser dies is if he doesn't see the enemy coming.

I can hold one corner of the map all by my self with the laser. Hey anybody can hold the corner of the map and have a great AOE with the laser all by themselves.

damage up close is crap compared to a militia assault rifle. In fact a militia assault rifle has a higher DPS then a laser rifle up close even if it build up heat and then it barely gets the same damage output as a SMG. At point blank range you might get 25% efficency rating on shields (armor is even worse) so you would do 5HP damage per hit with no heat up. With max heat up maybe you get a damage of 8-10HP on shields. Oh and the best counter against a laser rifle is a heavy type-1 with armor plates and aswell a laser rifle (type-2 has more shields and is with that easy to kill.) You could aswell get a sniper rifle and shot him from far away. Another option is to get up close and shot him with a AR or shotgun. If you see a well known laser rifle user he will allways keep distance and eventually camp a good overview spot. when he starts to get kills his position is extreme easy to spot due to the beam which is visible for the whole team. If you let a laser rifle guy go flawless with tons of kills its your fault in not reacting to the situation. Its not a ordinary AR guy, a Laser in a good position should allways be a number 1 priority to kill cause he can do a very good job of area denial.

There is no such thing as a militia laser. quit being obvious when you troll, it makes you look dumb. 1/10.

militia is now the same thing as standard, doesn't matter now they're the same thing, lasers are OP even with militia.

Try firing a laser at a shield tank. Like an HAV. Then try stacking damage mods and do it again. Then come back and say "it's not broken, that Sagaris deserved to die in 3 clips".

When people said "my AR can't kill a tank" CCP put in lasers.

CQC? It's called scrambler pistol. 400% headshots ftw. The fact you can have 2 over powered guns on 1 suit is super kewl.

Edit: no other weapon gains 25%damage at Proto vs standard/advanced grade. Tweeeeeks needed.
Logic vs Data

Try firing a laser at a shield tank. Like an HAV. Then try stacking damage mods and do it again. Then come back and say "it's not broken, that Sagaris deserved to die in 3 clips".

When people said "my AR can't kill a tank" CCP put in lasers.

Just a fyi. Laser has a roughly 750 rpm firing rate and although it looks like a beam weapon damage is done to targets in pulses like an assault rifle.

Facts seems to get lost in heated debating as always.

I would love to know where that fact comes from, since nowhere in the description or attributes section does it state a rpm firing rate. Heat build up per second yes RPM firing rate no.

Love it when people pull random "facts" and dont back them up.

the optimal range of a laser isn't so much the issue. Example a few builds back no one used the excuse that a minddrive smg was really bad at 50 meters because it was used and under 15 meters. Same can be said for Lasers. I never bother with laser close up I switch to smg. Saying its bad up close has no bearing on how it performs in its optimal which is the issue being discussed. I used a proto laser quite at bit myself and its easily broken in context with other guns. That said I am well aware that the informal AR nerf (temp iron sights only does play a part in the strong feelings against lasers)

What it comes down to is a combination of the items below.

1) As with snipers long range weapons such as Lasers benefit from the user always being able to fit damage mods without a real trade off. Example AR players have to weight the risk/reward of damage vs tank. the stacking mod issue doesn't play that big of role really.

2) Accuracy of a laser when you swipe it across someone is 100% where as other guns can't offer you that type of ability. I hardly every aim for head but will still catch it a bunch. Watching high level suits lose shields instantly then the merc die just as fast when i make my second swipe back across him is telling. I'm not some super skilled fps guy either but using a laser i have much higher kdr then with any other weapon.

3) The only player skill factor is the preheat needed. Once you get that down its faily simple to preheat and swipe across players with high alpha damage. The alpha damage is my only real concern because ccp had reduced ehp of suits and scaled down damage of weapons consistantly to make dust about gun fights not he who shoots first.

Now i am not calling for a nerf of lasers but I think with the combination of 3 things i listed above they are a bit broken ths build. Add to that having highly skilled players using them they will get a bad rap anyways.

So many bad players in dust just want everything that kills them nerfed. I would prefer ccp to look as the issue objectiving in it parts and assess it as part of the bigger picutre.

My 2 isk.

In its current incarnation the LR overcharge numbers are a bit high. Either drop the bonus a little or require the beam to stay roughly on target and it wil be pretty fair. I think the LR concept is sound personally. However I did see a squadie fire up in the air for a bit then bring the laser down in an arc like a scythe and drop 4 assaults instantly. That seemed a bit off to me.

Edit note: I say roughly on target not exactly on target. As in if you make contact every half second or so the charge can keep going.