CCP already have everything designed and finished. It's just to large to implement in the beta right now.

Lol man you people are a dime a dozen. Always thinking the promises of a game company will fulfill your every wish when is reality they have plans to fulfill 10% of what you dream and they'll implement it poorly

2009 footage is running on a PC using the carbon engine (EvE character design jobby) iirc.
I believe they switched to unreal due to cost, but one day they'll release the carbon version (add your own salt as needed).
The difference is clear, but I think they're doing pretty well with the Unreal engine now. Just need the player count up :D

I would also like to point out that the 2009 was designed for PC, not consoles with such delimintating factors such as 256mbs memory.

CCP already have everything designed and finished. It's just to large to implement in the beta right now.

Its just there is no wow factor in Dust in my opinion . The only ones that get really excited about Dust own Eve accounts and looking for new ways to improve their Eve accounts through Dust. All the potential that is talked about is not a great battlefield , but crafting ,mining, and selling things on a marketplace. I wont be surprised if the planet conquering system is just the corp battles of 8 vs 8 players.

All you have to do is just watch Planetside 2 videos on youtube to get that immersion and wow factor that you never feel in Dust playing it.

LOLWUT

They don't even know what their own plans are, how mich district capture and stuff have we seen mechanics wise?

I have faith in CCP but please don't suck up. I hope they finish it all and I am confident they will, but thats a fallacy you just stated.

Maybe CCP needs not kid everyone on that what we have here is a large scale warfare game.
Rather they should focus on semi-tactical urban conflict.

Its just there is no wow factor in Dust in my opinion . The only ones that get really excited about Dust own Eve accounts and looking for new ways to improve their Eve accounts through Dust. All the potential that is talked about is not a great battlefield , but crafting ,mining, and selling things on a marketplace. I wont be surprised if the planet conquering system is just the corp battles of 8 vs 8 players.

All you have to do is just watch Planetside 2 videos on youtube to get that immersion and wow factor that you never feel in Dust playing it.

No wow factor? There is PLENTY of wow factor for me personally. Planetside 2, as awesome as it is, is a MUCH watered down version of DUST 514. PS2 may have a higher level of wow sheen at the moment, but hows that amalgamation of the PC/console going? :) No one has done what CCP is doing, for that reason I dare say they have slightly more on their plate than the PS2 team did during development. It must be nice just having to make sure your game looks and plays nice. :D

The wow factor in DUST 514 is that battles mean something. PS2 has you warring over one planet? DUST will have 7,500 of them to fight over. There are 100 skills in the beta alone and we know there are going to be more skills added at launch I see wow in the complete flexibility CCP has afforded through the dropsuit and module system. PS2 has...7 defined classes? WOW? lol :) Comparing a released game and a game still in closed beta is an unbalanced comparison though really.:)

How could I not love a free to play MMO RPG FPS on PS3 that supports Move and M&K, as well as custom soundtrack and is getting a Vita app. The Chromosome build completely revolutionised my DUST experience too. I have never had so much fun playing as I do in this build. The controls are awesome and the game looks way better than it did at E3. I am VERY happy with where the game is at now and can't wait to watch the rest of it unfold. :D

Go back to CoD

In nothing you just said had anything to do with a battlefield that fears me the most about this beta, the battlefield experience is boring and really grey and bland. You can scream skills till your blue in the face but I dont care about that as a non RPG player. I have played games for over 2 years after I hit the max level because they were fun not because I had to collect all the skills. There is really no reason to care about a conquered planet if only 8 vs 8 did it.

As to my other corp mate I really hope so I really do , but at the moment without an Eve account it just feels like a black hole to me of money

Its just there is no wow factor in Dust in my opinion . The only ones that get really excited about Dust own Eve accounts and looking for new ways to improve their Eve accounts through Dust. All the potential that is talked about is not a great battlefield , but crafting ,mining, and selling things on a marketplace. I wont be surprised if the planet conquering system is just the corp battles of 8 vs 8 players.

All you have to do is just watch Planetside 2 videos on youtube to get that immersion and wow factor that you never feel in Dust playing it.

In nothing you just said had anything to do with a battlefield that fears me the most about this beta, the battlefield experience is boring and really grey and bland. You can scream skills till your blue in the face but I dont care about that as a non RPG player. I have played games for over 2 years after I hit the max level because they were fun not because I had to collect all the skills. There is really no reason to care about a conquered planet if only 8 vs 8 did it.

As to my other corp mate I really hope so I really do , but at the moment without an Eve account it just feels like a black hole to me of money

What I said was related to the battlefield, but not in a visceral/superficial way. I can understand the disappointment of someone who isn't an RPG fan, especially in the beta phase. Everyone is running around with different builds, trying things out etc. There is no coordination (generally) and this is especially true for squad formations and tactics...this also contributes to a less than enthused perception of the game I guess.

I am an RPG fan, so the DUST proposition is amazing in my eyes. I'm also a future thinker and can catch glimpses of the big picture even if it's later down the line. I like what I see when I cast my eyes to the game's potential. I can't wait to see the corporation king fu in the months and years to come. I want to see carefully composed squad set ups and tactics and well executed objective handling.

As far as the battlefield now...I see things like a dropship fly past an objective and drop off a squad who all inertia damp to the ground, or I see an orbital strike wipe out a group and I get a mercgasm. :D I am a logi and really enjoy my role on the battlefield which I guess helps. But back to my main point, I think the wow factor will reach more people when they start seeing more coordination and skill on the battlefield...or maybe the game just isn't for you. :)

To summarize this guy ^. "I want to mine rocks!" Get out of our fps

For those needing help to reference:

2009 DUST demo part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED-YF-v7WCw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

2009 DUST demo part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvDKbiUnxTA

All comments appreciated

Its just a different beta , but same result. For BF3 it was the coding on the floor and for Dust its FPS mechanics. Both companies are trying to get the most bang for there buck with updates. For CCP its adding new skills and weapons but having no clue how to implement them into a FPS game.

Im waiting for the open beta to finally get this game fixed , its not in till PS3 players actually play this game that it will be fixed to perfection past the Eve 2.0

P.S. For all the people still saying that what we have is excellent for a free beta, remember thy some people payed 30 dollars for a merc pack (buying the game) and also have been dumping cash into aurum. If I was one of those people I would be pretty irate about the current state of this game

I agree, it's obvious we have a lot of eve people in here right now who are trying to focus on other parts of the game and tend not to worry about the actual FPS part. My question to you, do you have confidence that once this goes public that significant changes will still happen? I'm not very optimistic at this point.

P.S. For all the people still saying that what we have is excellent for a free beta, remember thy some people payed 30 dollars for a merc pack (buying the game) and also have been dumping cash into aurum. If I was one of those people I would be pretty irate about the current state of this game

I don't know man , I think this game would do a lot better if it re classified itself from a MMOFPS to a action RPG. To me if just feels like a game that never wanted to be in the FPS genre or have its player base. I don't think there are many FPS players in this beta anymore from lack of FPS discussion in development of Dust. Even the controls don't fit the PS3 and Sony will not be happy with that once it goes open. Right now its ok cause were in closed beta, but sony is not going to let a keyboard embarrass its controller on a exclusive.

No wow factor? There is PLENTY of wow factor for me personally. Planetside 2, as awesome as it is, is a MUCH watered down version of DUST 514. :D

I'm often surprised by people's bloated feelings of entitlement...or maybe it's disappointment because CCPs timing/strategy/efforts don't agree with their expectations. No one forced anyone to spend AUR here, and this investment in no way puts an obligation on CCP to magically release some update that will make this game the Medal of Duty: Modern Warfighter Ops 3 some people seemingly want it to become. That investment will be refunded at launch so no one has lost anything. Also, CCP are an MMO developer with no real FPS experience, it's to be expected that the road will be bumpy.

I'm glad I can be patient and realistic...it makes my DUST 514 experience all the better. Love Chromosome, love my logi and my mass driver. Can't wait to see what early 2013 brings, I have a feeling its going to be explosive ;). Keep it up CCP! :P

It's not in a bad state. The framework is there, now we need some enhancements, to make it seem as if the battlefield is alive. Maybe gunshot indicators, better lighting, fluid animations, etc.

It's in a **** poor state compared to those demos of 3 nearly 4 years ago.
I'd trade the graphics of now for those if we got the maps and smooth play of those demos. What your playing at the moment is a sci fi esc bf3 conquest game only with out the polish

I think your all in for a shock when the final player count is sorted , it wont be nearly as large as we were all lead to believe

Eve players trying to make this game an eve expansion instead of its own game. Every time I see a thread about mtacs, secondary market, more modules, more skills, it makes me even more dissapointed. CCP needs to get some real feedback in these forums. The long winded posts by the eve players who type their posts with a thesoraurus so they appear smart is bogging down the real feedback this game needs.

Yup, and when these eve players start flooding the market with isk it will make for a very lopsided game.

It will become a game of those who have and those that don't, and those that don't will be very frustrated.

Trouble is most can't see that the reason for eve interaction is to get dust players to play eve to support there dust account thus the free to play game becomes a pay monthly sub game..

Those demos are far superior to what we have now, makes you think

I bet they had a funding problem. Switching engines has caused so many delays and poor feature implementation that all funding now comes from AUR and merc packs. Minimal eve money probably goes into this game ever since they started losing the player base in their own game so they had to divert resources back into their cash cow. Jita riots in 2010 probably screwed dust development to about 5 chinese guys in shanghai trying to make a "ground breaking game" all by themselves

Your more cynical than I am I had great hopes for dust but the longer I participate in this so called beta the more I can see it not working as I was lead to believe.

Ya I'm probably too negative at times but I feel like its called for because I have to compete with "great job ccp! Keep up the great work , best game evaaaaar!" We need reality here, not dillusion. The fact I still participate in these forums shows that I still have hope for this game but my patience is running thin since I've been participating since April

Its just a different beta , but same result. For BF3 it was the coding on the floor and for Dust its FPS mechanics. Both companies are trying to get the most bang for there buck with updates. For CCP its adding new skills and weapons but having no clue how to implement them into a FPS game.

Im waiting for the open beta to finally get this game fixed , its not in till PS3 players actually play this game that it will be fixed to perfection past the Eve 2.0

not what i ment

with EA/DICE the BF3 closed beta that came with MOH was complete crap. the build was 3.5 months old when they gave it out and all of the issues had previously been fixed.
with DUST we are actually testing mechanics and bugs and doing reporting.

not what i ment

with EA/DICE the BF3 closed beta that came with MOH was complete crap. the build was 3.5 months old when they gave it out and all of the issues had previously been fixed.
with DUST we are actually testing mechanics and bugs and doing reporting.

Just so that everyone knows, and for the record, I hate EA and everything they stand for.

That is all.

You don't have to like them , but you are playing their handy work every day. Bf2 2005 just modded. Oh how's the second eve is great like farm thread going.

ill be honest i dont know coding but i swear it all feels the same as bf2. Wiki said refract engine, but i think as others have said either Dice or ex Dice had a hand in Dust. Personally i think they grabbed the bf2 coding and added upon it for some solid ground for the connections.

They have a couple of ex dice (bf ) people on board for this game, pity they didn't give them the lead in development at least the game may have a real direction to head for then.

Vehicles mat even be ballanced and handle better then

As for the PS4 the specs and hardware that is being toted about various web dosn't fill me with much optimism either especially the AMD graphics card that is already out classed

I would be content if the ps4s hardware could make dust look like a frostbite 2 game with a high player count and all the bells, whistles, and gimmicks dust has to offer (plus excellent FPS mechanics)

thats total bs, the only reason i would agree with you on that is because this beta has always felt like an add on to eve and not its own game. The reason why we dont have 80 players is so most eve players can feel good about their shiny new modules. it takes a lot of processing power to process different gear that all looks the same but different stats to each gek or blindfire. this beta is lagging way to much as it for as low as the player count is now.

mmorpg`s get away with things like that because FPS require a lot more information to between player tracking.