I do not endorse this.

The reasons for the UVT have been stated by CCP. They make sense.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=263211#post263211

UVT's are a nonprofit item. They will be cheap for aurum, and they will be available for ISK when the secondary market hits.

CCP is also going to add a UVT that will enable itself for the corp channel regardless of if someone in the corp has a UVT or not, so everyone can talk. (These will also be available for ISK)


There is no issue here.

I do not endorse this.

The reasons for the UVT have been stated by CCP. They make sense.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=263211#post263211

UVT's are a nonprofit item. They will be cheap for aurum, and they will be available for ISK when the secondary market hits.

CCP is also going to add a UVT that will enable itself for the corp channel regardless of if someone in the corp has a UVT or not, so everyone can talk. (These will also be available for ISK)


There is no issue here.

Thanks for the link however during a beta to charge for this is just silly.
As I stated above after release sure but during a beta, come on.

At least until the BETA is over.
On release I could see UVT for corp chat being a requirement but during the BETA, meh.

Since the UVT's introduction it was always stated that you'd need a UVT to talk in any non-squad channel outside of battle.

Never should I have to pay real money for a core feature in an online only game.

Voice with all of my corporation is impossible now. I know a lot of people that may never spend a dime on Dust, should they not be able to talk with the people they are choosing to play with?

I agree with Gizmo. Corp and maybe even Alliance chat channels should have free voice no UVT or AUR required.

We paid ISK to create the corp, we will (or have been if already in EVE) be paying ISK every month to hold offices in stations for storage of corporation assets ( such as weapons, vehicles, spaceships, skillbooks, etc. ).

so. We should NOT add our corp voice channel to the list of bills the corporations have to pay for unless that is every corp in New Eden, not just Corps with Dust players.

Even if "EVE - only" corps never use their voice channel. They should have to pay for it like the dust corps if it comes to be that way.

Nova knife, sorry, your wrong. They need to make money yes, but not on UGTs. Recoup the loss woth other things like custom paint jobs for dropsuits or corp logos on tanks and crap.

Not on UVTs

If they were to do what you suggest, every aurum item would likely get hiked up a bit in price if they were to ditch the concept of the UVT.

UVT is a non profit item. They aren't selling it to make money. They are selling it because they need to pay vivox to make the voice stuff work in the first place. This is why there is the fee. The UVT will always be cheaper than other aurum products like boosters, because the boosters are a for-profit item as opposed to the UVT which is a non-profit item.

If they were to do what you suggest, every aurum item would likely get hiked up a bit in price if they were to ditch the concept of the UVT.

I believe if CCP is going to continue to tout the F2P model of Dust, the Corp Chat should be REQUIRED to have NO COST, i.e., NO UVT.

If a person desires to be in a corp, then they have to pay out of pocket??!!?? Really!!??!!. BS, WTF!!

Being in a corp is the very basis of eve interaction and the MMO side of it. TAKE IT BACK CCP!!

No, it isn't perfect, but it's better than paying money for a free game. And it's as good as most PS3 games give you.

I agree Corp chat should be free to use voice communication, it is a kind of extortion if you ask me.
There is nothing better than hearing your whole corp at the same time. Sure we can type but us console players rather communicate with the microphone! Sometimes pre battle plans are better disscussed in the corp chat and not in the pre battle lobby.

Hey guys,

We are currently investigating this issue and will update you here the moment we have more information available.

Thank you for your patience.

WHY TIMMY DIDN'T PLAY DUST514

Why didn't they just put players in Team Chat?

Fortunately, Timmy decided to join a corporation, the corporation members told him he had to buy a UVT to chat with them though.

He hardly knew these people! Why would he invest in talking to them? He wanted to have fun corp battling other corps, not chit chatting with other players.

WHY TIMMY DIDN'T PLAY DUST514

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being new to the game i've heard a lot of talk on this subject and i agree that having to pay to talk is a bad idea.
i'm a disabled person and can't work so i have limited funds and can't aford to keep paying for things you get free on other games.we pay enough when we buy the games and dlc's on the highstreet.


so my suggestion...KEEP IT FREE or if they have to charge a one off payment

I think the key thing you guys are missing here is that


You will be able to buy a UVT for ISK

If you don't want to spend money on dust, you won't and never will have to, even if you want aurum stuff.

You'll even be able to get boosters for ISK as well. Same with any item available for aurum.


https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=263211#post263211


UVT's were always going to be this way. It was a bug that corp channels didn't require it last build. The arguments "I CAN'T AFFORD IT" and "HOW IS IT FREE IF I HAVE TO PAY FOR A 'CORE' FEATURE" are moot.

What the "other games" you are referring to? I haven't heard about any game on consoles that allow to voice chat with someone outside of a squad/team. The only game that may have it is DC Universe online (or how this PS3 MMO is called), but I'm not sure.

Voice chat outside of a battle is for easy organization. It doesn't provide you with any advantages in a battle. Therefore it's a "comfort" like feature and hence you need to pay for it.

Also you don't need to pay to buy DUST and DLCs (major updated after release) will be free also. Imagine you've paid 60$ for DUST. Then calculate how many months of UVT you can afford. If it's less than one year, then start to complain.

this is bull crap, now i have to pay to talk?
what they need to do is make the AUR items and weapons cost more if needed (i know they do need to make money)
but give me my free voice chat back.
i mean if this what its like in the beta what is it going to be like when the full game comes out.

And if we get the ability in future to put together a whole team rather than just a 4-person squad? You won't have the whole corp, but you'll have the whole team available to discuss strategy with.

Also, CCP have said they're "looking into" a possible corp-wide UVT item that can be purchased by a single player to open up Corp voice chat. it's not a guaranteed feature that's definitely coming, but it's being considered as an option.

now if they were still making the game for ps3 and xbox 360 they would have had free corporation chat because xbox 360 users has in game vioce chat. ccp is taking advantage of the ps3 RAM problem. just because the xbox 360 is out of the picture they should not include things that they wouldn't have included if another system wason here

I've said this before, and I'll say it again.
30 day UVT costs 10 AUR, so using math I know 1 year of UVTs equals 120 AUR, and going farther than that, 1200 AUR for 10 years of continuous use. The merc pack comes with 40,000 AUR. Do you REALLY THINK you are going to play this game for more than 333 years? Because that's when the 40,000 AUR will run out.

Seems like you people cry for the sake of crying. HTFU.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again.
30 day UVT costs 10 AUR, so using math I know 1 year of UVTs equals 120 AUR, and going farther than that, 1200 AUR for 10 years of continuous use. The merc pack comes with 40,000 AUR. Do you REALLY THINK you are going to play this game for more than 333 years? Because that's when the 40,000 AUR will run out.

Seems like you people cry for the sake of crying. HTFU.

The UVT or Universal Voice Transmitter is meant to give a channel voice and allow us to speak with one another. With the recent patch, you must now buy a UVT with AUR. AUR is a micro transaction currency that you spend actual cash on. The concept of the idea is okay for user created rooms but it destroys the purpose of corporations. CCP wants the game to be a tactical first person shooter. This is a step in the wrong direction for tactical first person shooters. Corp chat was a great way to form squads, play out tactics before entering the war room and just having an over all fun time without the use of spend real money. With this recent change, CCP has limited Corp functions since now you can't use voice in your corp unless you have AUR and buy a UVT.

This is a petition to change the voice back to the way it was without the use of UVT in corp.

These are also some of my suggestions regarding the voice change in corp and ways to make it player friendly.

Set up the corp to were it requires a set amount of ISK to use the voice function. Say like 10 million each month.

or

Make the UVT a ISK item but increase the price to make up for the cost.

or

Make a transaction so that you can spend ISK to get AUR.

Right now these changes will cause ether corps to leave the game or force players to use 3rd party software so that can have voice.

CCP, give us our voice back!!!

WHY TIMMY DIDN'T PLAY DUST514

Once upon a time, there was a boy named Timmy who was mildly interested in dust514... He was a rather normal boy who liked gaming and played many other games, he was totally open to the idea of supporting a game he loves, much like he would support a band whose music he loves. He looked forward to such a game and intended to play it.

Dust514 was released and he downloaded the game. As soon as he started playing, he noticed players were divided into 4 man squads rather than simply being put into teams. He did not know whether to pick squad chat or team chat, he could never know if players were on one or the other or if players in other squads had microphones... Why didn't they just put players in Team Chat? It seemed needlessly complicated to him, he couldn't possibly be conscious of this ever match and gradually gave up. Timmy was disappointed, he found Dust514's gameplay rather uncompelling. Every match had players running around like headless chickens with assault rifles... For without communication, there can not be coordination and without that, there are no tactics and without that there are no counter tactics. The game's promise of deep futuristic combat with specialized roles was unfulfilled for him...

Fortunately, Timmy decided to join a corporation, the corporation members told him he had to buy a UVT to chat with them though.

He was shocked and angered!

He hardly knew these people! Why would he invest in talking to them? He wanted to have fun corp battling other corps, not chit chatting with other players. He was allowed in without UVT anyways though because he was so talented, he played a few corp battles and even won, but he never got attached to the community or the world of New Eden, he never developed that sense of rivalry and comradery with his corpmates that hooks other players, he could never convince himself to pay for such things, they were free in other games and in real life.

Time passed, Timmy played, but moved on as soon as another over-hyped FPS was released. He loaded it into his PS3 and saw players running around like headless chickens. There was no suspense, no sense of persistence, no deep character development, but atleast he had voice chat and that made his experiences far more organic and memorable with his real life friends. He never became conscious of being part of something larger with dust and so it was no different from this game, he played this new game, running around the same maps over and over, yelling at people, telling them how terrible they were and how pissed he was about it, much like a headless chicken, it was fun. Eventually he deleted dust514 from his HDD and lived happily ever after.
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