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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.12.21 21:25:00 -
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843 nerfnut96 wrote:this is bull crap, now i have to pay to talk? what they need to do is make the AUR items and weapons cost more if needed (i know they do need to make money) but give me my free voice chat back. i mean if this what its like in the beta what is it going to be like when the full game comes out. You have to pay to talk OUT OF BATTLE. in-mission voice is still free. For both squad and team channels.
All they really need to add is a team deploy option so we can group together multiple squads and go into battle with more than just 4 people, all with voice comms while waiting to fight and once you're on the field. |
1CLIP 1KILL
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
87
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Posted - 2012.12.21 23:53:00 -
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I had to think about this for a while.
CCP not only advertised this game as F2P, but also stated that it's not pay-to-win. The devs assured us that those who do not pay will not be disadvantaged, and that they would still be able to experience the full game. This is partially addressed by the in-game ISK market.
I feel that corp chat is part of the game, and that someone who cannot participate in corp chat does not have the full game. Part of being in a corp is being able to communicate. It's an extreme example, but it feels as though UVTs are an AUR item players need to buy to join a corp. Sure, players can still join a corp, but the UVTs make it so there's no difference between the corp system in DUST and the regular clan system in other games, where players merely throw on clan tags and use a third-party voice chat program while not in game.
I'm guessing that corp-wide UVTs would be more expensive than a third party program, which is why they aren't already in game. I suppose my feelings might change if the in-game market were in place, or if we could sell or donate items to other players. Unfortunately, as of right now, it feels like you need to buy AUR to unlock the full game. I do not know how new players feel about the UVT change. I have experienced corp chat, so I know what they are missing, but they may not notice anything at all. |
slap26
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
463
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Posted - 2012.12.22 01:09:00 -
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we need corp voice. Or we need this game on the PC so we can just use teamspeak |
MYTIOS9191
BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.12.22 07:30:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:FTwelve wrote:I agree Corp chat should be free to use voice communication, it is a kind of extortion if you ask me. There is nothing better than hearing your whole corp at the same time. Sure we can type but us console players rather communicate with the microphone! Sometimes pre battle plans are better disscussed in the corp chat and not in the pre battle lobby. And if we get the ability in future to put together a whole team rather than just a 4-person squad? You won't have the whole corp, but you'll have the whole team available to discuss strategy with. Also, CCP have said they're "looking into" a possible corp-wide UVT item that can be purchased by a single player to open up Corp voice chat. it's not a guaranteed feature that's definitely coming, but it's being considered as an option.
I agree with parts of both of these quotes. corp chat should be free, for console users it is very hard to stop mid air to type to the guy behind you, "there is a heavy unit about to take out your squad". PS that one out fast.... Although if we did have to pay a fee that we be able to have :
1 person able to buy a whole corp UVT not dependant on size of corp. And it would have to transferable. (Hypothetical s) What if the person who bought it is not leader and it has to be the leader to activate?. What happens when my "free battle talk time" coincides with my payed form of communication, does one clock stop running or am i now paying for my Squad chat time? What if i am not old enough to be able to purchase this for of money for payment, you don't want me playing your game with all my friends? yet as a corp we collectively have a corps wallet we could purchase this with isk on a corp scale |
MYTIOS9191
BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.12.22 07:33:00 -
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You can also buy isk in eve. * Through Proper Channels ONLY * so isk does have some form of Value
I am against paying for Voice but i will buy that Assault Rifle that's better than the next guy. |
GIZMO2606
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
293
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Posted - 2012.12.29 05:44:00 -
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Don't be slient! Let your merc's voice be heard! |
Logi Bro
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
836
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Posted - 2012.12.29 08:08:00 -
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I've said this before, and I'll say it again. 30 day UVT costs 10 AUR, so using math I know 1 year of UVTs equals 120 AUR, and going farther than that, 1200 AUR for 10 years of continuous use. The merc pack comes with 40,000 AUR. Do you REALLY THINK you are going to play this game for more than 333 years? Because that's when the 40,000 AUR will run out.
Seems like you people cry for the sake of crying. HTFU. |
Encharrion
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
104
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Posted - 2012.12.29 14:40:00 -
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I originally thought UVT was terrible, but I have begun to change my mind. The voice service isn't free for CCP, and they need to fund it somehow.
It isn't as if communication doesn't happen if you don't have UVT, I actually don't use it a large portion of the time. You can generally communicate more than well enough without it. Even when it may be needed, short duration UVTs will be insanely cheap I'm sure.
Perhaps corp chat should be free. However, CCP needs to be able to afford the voice service, and better voice chat at a price than no voice chat at all. Even if corp voice chat was dropped entirely, it would be a big deal, but nowhere near as big of a problem as it would appear from these comments. It wouldn't end DUST, I think.
Edit: Fixed vague pronoun. |
RAFER G
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.12.29 18:46:00 -
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now if they were still making the game for ps3 and xbox 360 they would have had free corporation chat because xbox 360 users has in game vioce chat. ccp is taking advantage of the ps3 RAM problem. just because the xbox 360 is out of the picture they should not include things that they wouldn't have included if another system wason here |
Encharrion
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
104
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Posted - 2012.12.30 04:48:00 -
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RAFER G wrote:now if they were still making the game for ps3 and xbox 360 they would have had free corporation chat because xbox 360 users has in game vioce chat. ccp is taking advantage of the ps3 RAM problem. just because the xbox 360 is out of the picture they should not include things that they wouldn't have included if another system wason here
Even if it was on xbox 360 they would still have had UVT, it isn't a matter of making money, it's a matter of paying the third party company for the voice chat services they are providing the game. |
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Hobos-N-Guns
Soldiers Of One Network Orion Empire
44
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Posted - 2012.12.30 18:00:00 -
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Agree 1000%
Its rediculous to have to pay to use your corp comms !!! |
OgTheEnigma
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
90
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Posted - 2012.12.30 18:45:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:I've said this before, and I'll say it again. 30 day UVT costs 10 AUR, so using math I know 1 year of UVTs equals 120 AUR, and going farther than that, 1200 AUR for 10 years of continuous use. The merc pack comes with 40,000 AUR. Do you REALLY THINK you are going to play this game for more than 333 years? Because that's when the 40,000 AUR will run out.
Seems like you people cry for the sake of crying. HTFU. It's not the cost that's the problem, it's the principle of being forced to pay something in a beta (corp battles are pretty much impossible to organise without corp chat). I don't have any problem paying when the game is released and out of beta, but until then I refuse to pay money for an unfinished product. |
Psychotic Shooter
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
23
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Posted - 2012.12.30 18:50:00 -
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Agreed fully 200% |
Zero Harpuia
Maverick Conflict Solutions
422
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Posted - 2012.12.31 01:47:00 -
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I'll throw in my meager support for this, keep it goin'.
EDIT: Also, Logi Bro. Currently, all packs of UVT are 10 Aurum because they used to be ONE Aurum. Think about that. All packs cost the same because they haven't implemented a price structure, they just cost enough to exist and not be free, forcing you to buy some amount of Aurum. When they DO nail the prices down, it will be substantially more than 10 Aurum for even the 3 day UVT, which means it'll cost FAR more than you figure to do the simple task of talking. Teamspeak is free, so I don't see ANYONE using the internal chat system if they have to pay for even the most simple areas of it. |
Callum Ormand 2100040571
Doomheim
2
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Posted - 2013.01.12 23:34:00 -
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Just the fact that having to buy it will mean people won't. Corp voice is something which will be vital to the link between the two games and putting and barriers of such features is only sure to have a negative impact |
RolyatDerTeufel
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
1648
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Posted - 2013.01.12 23:36:00 -
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This needs to happen.
Also, corp voice from EVE isn't working for me still with the move to TQ. |
Caeli SineDeo
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
295
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Posted - 2013.01.13 01:55:00 -
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Corp chat should not need UVT. |
Criest Pyrkin
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
16
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Posted - 2013.01.13 20:45:00 -
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+1 I do have aurums but to use them just to be heard in my own corp is silly. |
sansey Inferno
Inferno Inc
43
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Posted - 2013.01.14 07:25:00 -
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read post about price for uvt from ccp and i desagree. voice corp chat must be free other channel can use uvt |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2013.01.14 07:45:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:I've said this before, and I'll say it again. 30 day UVT costs 10 AUR, so using math I know 1 year of UVTs equals 120 AUR, and going farther than that, 1200 AUR for 10 years of continuous use. The merc pack comes with 40,000 AUR. Do you REALLY THINK you are going to play this game for more than 333 years? Because that's when the 40,000 AUR will run out.
Seems like you people cry for the sake of crying. HTFU. Prices now updated, 30 day UVT 1,000 I'm tired so someone check my fuzzy math but I think that comes out to 12166.66666666667 AUR for a year, which is roughly $60 USD or just under the cost of 6 months of EVE Online (assuming prices based off of the yearly subscription rate, it'd be less using other modes of pay).
If it were still only 10 AUR for a 30 day UVT I wouldn't bat an eye at picking them up for all three of my characters. As it stands I'm likely going to stop using them entirely even if they continue to be required for corp voice.
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4447
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
650
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Posted - 2013.01.14 08:29:00 -
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GIZMO2606 wrote:The UVT or Universal Voice Transmitter is meant to give a channel voice and allow us to speak with one another. With the recent patch, you must now buy a UVT with AUR. AUR is a micro transaction currency that you spend actual cash on. The concept of the idea is okay for user created rooms but it destroys the purpose of corporations. CCP wants the game to be a tactical first person shooter. This is a step in the wrong direction for tactical first person shooters. Corp chat was a great way to form squads, play out tactics before entering the war room and just having an over all fun time without the use of spend real money. With this recent change, CCP has limited Corp functions since now you can't use voice in your corp unless you have AUR and buy a UVT.
This is a petition to change the voice back to the way it was without the use of UVT in corp.
These are also some of my suggestions regarding the voice change in corp and ways to make it player friendly.
Set up the corp to were it requires a set amount of ISK to use the voice function. Say like 10 million each month.
or
Make the UVT a ISK item but increase the price to make up for the cost.
or
Make a transaction so that you can spend ISK to get AUR.
Right now these changes will cause ether corps to leave the game or force players to use 3rd party software so that can have voice.
CCP, give us our voice back!!!
How much is UVT? not much.
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Kody Cole
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
3
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Posted - 2013.01.14 08:40:00 -
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^^BUMP!^^ |
Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
192
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Posted - 2013.01.14 12:44:00 -
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Recent price hike on UVT and the removal of Corp comms for free is a complete joke. I'm not buying this, the game should be free to play. Not free to play, but pay to play with your friends.....
I've never known such a ridiculous money making scam to be pulled by a company. In pretty much every game I've played wih voice chat, it's never been pay to speak. I'm pretty sure if other bigger budget and quite frankly better products can do it without charging, then Dust can, no?.
Having the UVT at a price where people think, "Nah, I'm not paying for that", will hamper everyone's gaming experience. The social aspect is a bigger part of the game than the gameplay itself quite frankly, as it's the people that have kept me playing, certainly not the game anyway. |
Corbina Ninja
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
77
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Posted - 2013.01.14 17:05:00 -
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3 pg -> 3 uvt -_- WTF??
this is not good |
Text Grant
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
4
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Posted - 2013.01.14 21:22:00 -
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Uvt is about 1$ a month. Not much but enough to really annoy people. Nobody it talking anymore and less people get on every day. |
Cade Orion
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2013.01.14 22:26:00 -
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This is one thing that truly annoys the crap out of me with Dust 514. What do you mean I have to pay money to talk to other players? What!?
Problem with most Tactical FPS's is that there isn't enough communication in game as it is. For some reason people are not getting Mic's and talking with other players. HC gamers are constantly complaining to these peeps that if you want to win - you need to communicate. IMO if you play any Tactical FPS, you better have a Mic - but so many players do not.
And now CCP thinks maybe we should have them spend money to talk to each other. We need more peeps with a mic to play not a reason to not use a mic.
CCP should really look this over, as this could be a deal breaker for the game for many players, when the full version comes out. Console gamers love talking with their friends online, hell most of the time that's how we meet our online buds - because they have and are using a mic.
And it's true there's no profit gained from just being able to talk to each other. |
ALLKRYDA
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2013.01.17 02:17:00 -
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So I found this out today when yesterday I was trying to talk with corp mates that I had joined up with in a squad. I couldn't for the life of me figure out why I couldn't talk to em. I just finished talking on CoD with my buds so my **** was set up right, I had literally no idea...til I found out I had to pay for it.
To quote one of ccp's developers "This isn't a pay to win game" I'm finding that harder and harder to believe. I play Eve and I pay the 15 bucks a month for that account and try to plex my 2nd most of the time. So this game got me super excited. A mmo style FPS was a fantastic ideal that I had dreamed about quite often. I think Dust has serious potential to be an awesome game, however, paying for the leg up gets old and annoys most players that won't pay for another game.
If paying for better weapons, dropsuits, modules etc wasn't enough to kinda irritate the poor players you have to add in the only way to talk to your friends is to pay? That's jacked up. If it cost isk to buy I could manage that but all in all I feel communication should be free. We all know communication can take one squad to a whole different level of play style in the game and make you much more effective. Now toss in your poor players or just lazy players that don't want to spend RL cash on this stuff and now you're in a squad who can't say "snipers to the east in the tower" and your buddy just got blapped.
Get real and make comms free or at least bump it down to isk instead of real life cash. I'm not opposed to paying to play a game as I've already said I pay for Eve. But if you make me choose to spend money on this or Eve it will most certainly be the latter. Dust will fall to the side and probably never be turned on again if things keep going that route. |
Lycuo
On The Brink
5
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Posted - 2013.01.17 02:24:00 -
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+1 you can hurt the game that much, the whole point of DUST and EVE is communication and you're limiting it... |
RolyatDerTeufel
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
1648
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Posted - 2013.01.17 02:41:00 -
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anyone having problems with cross game CORP chat? even though we have to pay for UVT to use it it's not even working for me to talk across the two games. |
5377
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
4
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Posted - 2013.01.17 06:52:00 -
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Indy Strizer wrote:WHY TIMMY DIDN'T PLAY DUST514
Once upon a time, there was a boy named Timmy who was mildly interested in dust514... He was a rather normal boy who liked gaming and played many other games, he was totally open to the idea of supporting a game he loves, much like he would support a band whose music he loves. He looked forward to such a game and intended to play it.
Dust514 was released and he downloaded the game. As soon as he started playing, he noticed players were divided into 4 man squads rather than simply being put into teams. He did not know whether to pick squad chat or team chat, he could never know if players were on one or the other or if players in other squads had microphones... Why didn't they just put players in Team Chat? It seemed needlessly complicated to him, he couldn't possibly be conscious of this ever match and gradually gave up. Timmy was disappointed, he found Dust514's gameplay rather uncompelling. Every match had players running around like headless chickens with assault rifles... For without communication, there can not be coordination and without that, there are no tactics and without that there are no counter tactics. The game's promise of deep futuristic combat with specialized roles was unfulfilled for him...
Fortunately, Timmy decided to join a corporation, the corporation members told him he had to buy a UVT to chat with them though.
He was shocked and angered!
He hardly knew these people! Why would he invest in talking to them? He wanted to have fun corp battling other corps, not chit chatting with other players. He was allowed in without UVT anyways though because he was so talented, he played a few corp battles and even won, but he never got attached to the community or the world of New Eden, he never developed that sense of rivalry and comradery with his corpmates that hooks other players, he could never convince himself to pay for such things, they were free in other games and in real life.
Time passed, Timmy played, but moved on as soon as another over-hyped FPS was released. He loaded it into his PS3 and saw players running around like headless chickens. There was no suspense, no sense of persistence, no deep character development, but atleast he had voice chat and that made his experiences far more organic and memorable with his real life friends. He never became conscious of being part of something larger with dust and so it was no different from this game, he played this new game, running around the same maps over and over, yelling at people, telling them how terrible they were and how pissed he was about it, much like a headless chicken, it was fun. Eventually he deleted dust514 from his HDD and lived happily ever after. javascript:if (typeof posting=='undefined'||posting!=true) {posting=true;__doPostBack('forum$ctl00$PostReply','');} THE END
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