DUST Search - [PETITION] Give us back voice in corp without use of UVT!

RolyatDerTeufel wrote:

BMSTUBBYx wrote:

At least until the BETA is over.
On release I could see UVT for corp chat being a requirement but during the BETA, meh.

Never should I have to pay real money for a core feature in an online only game.

Voice with all of my corporation is impossible now. I know a lot of people that may never spend a dime on Dust, should they not be able to talk with the people they are choosing to play with?

I agree with Gizmo. Corp and maybe even Alliance chat channels should have free voice no UVT or AUR required.

We paid ISK to create the corp, we will (or have been if already in EVE) be paying ISK every month to hold offices in stations for storage of corporation assets ( such as weapons, vehicles, spaceships, skillbooks, etc. ).

so. We should NOT add our corp voice channel to the list of bills the corporations have to pay for unless that is every corp in New Eden, not just Corps with Dust players.

Even if "EVE - only" corps never use their voice channel. They should have to pay for it like the dust corps if it comes to be that way.

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GIZMO2606 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 293	Posted - 2012.12.18 17:36:00 - [1] - Quote The UVT or Universal Voice Transmitter is meant to give a channel voice and allow us to speak with one another. With the recent patch, you must now buy a UVT with AUR. AUR is a micro transaction currency that you spend actual cash on. The concept of the idea is okay for user created rooms but it destroys the purpose of corporations. CCP wants the game to be a tactical first person shooter. This is a step in the wrong direction for tactical first person shooters. Corp chat was a great way to form squads, play out tactics before entering the war room and just having an over all fun time without the use of spend real money. With this recent change, CCP has limited Corp functions since now you can't use voice in your corp unless you have AUR and buy a UVT. This is a petition to change the voice back to the way it was without the use of UVT in corp. These are also some of my suggestions regarding the voice change in corp and ways to make it player friendly. Set up the corp to were it requires a set amount of ISK to use the voice function. Say like 10 million each month. or Make the UVT a ISK item but increase the price to make up for the cost. or Make a transaction so that you can spend ISK to get AUR. Right now these changes will cause ether corps to leave the game or force players to use 3rd party software so that can have voice. CCP, give us our voice back!!!
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers 117	Posted - 2012.12.18 17:51:00 - [2] - Quote agree 100% the 1 thing this game really had going over all other FPS on the market was the outstanding voice chat. trust me, there are many games out there that have yet to master what you would think is such a simple task, and now that goes out the window here forcing people to spend money for the simple ability to chat with their teammates. Corp voice chat is essential to the success of the game. This is where players bond and all that sappy stuff, along with planning strategies, teaming up and whatnot... believe it or not most are NOT keyboard Kowboys that communicate through text rather than voice.... I hope this is remedied soon
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.12.18 17:57:00 - [3] - Quote +1
BMSTUBBYx Doomheim 83	Posted - 2012.12.18 17:58:00 - [4] - Quote At least until the BETA is over. On release I could see UVT for corp chat being a requirement but during the BETA, meh.
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.12.18 17:59:00 - [5] - Quote Sorry. No UVTs for CORPs. Period!
Deranged Disaster Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 65	Posted - 2012.12.18 18:04:00 - [6] - Quote Agree with you on this Giz, this is just plain irritating and not friendly to the users that are not willing to pay for the game.
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers 117	Posted - 2012.12.18 18:10:00 - [7] - Quote im more than willing to pay for a game im going to invest time into, but this is like going to Mcdonald's, ordering a Big Mac, and being charged extra for the condiments. This should be a standard feature built into the game, and not cost anything to have. They had it right before requiring the UVT for user-created channels, and the world public chat, but not for Corp or squad... Im sure this will be addressed, the big question is how soon will it be fixed?
Loki arbk Rubber Chicken Bombers 1	Posted - 2012.12.18 18:15:00 - [8] - Quote I completly agree. Give us back or corp chat without UVT!!!!!!
Brush Master HavoK Core 163	Posted - 2012.12.18 18:17:00 - [9] - Quote +1 This should be free, at least until there are other options like the ability for the CEO to play a flat fee for Corporation Chat Room or a Corporation Vault so members can donate to others that are not able to get AUR at this point. We are in a beta, corp mates should be able to talk to each other or they may just leave your game.
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 789	Posted - 2012.12.18 19:31:00 - [10] - Quote I do not endorse this. The reasons for the UVT have been stated by CCP. They make sense. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=263211#post263211 UVT's are a nonprofit item. They will be cheap for aurum, and they will be available for ISK when the secondary market hits. CCP is also going to add a UVT that will enable itself for the corp channel regardless of if someone in the corp has a UVT or not, so everyone can talk. (These will also be available for ISK) There is no issue here.

BMSTUBBYx Doomheim 83	Posted - 2012.12.18 19:45:00 - [11] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: I do not endorse this. The reasons for the UVT have been stated by CCP. They make sense. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=263211#post263211 UVT's are a nonprofit item. They will be cheap for aurum, and they will be available for ISK when the secondary market hits. CCP is also going to add a UVT that will enable itself for the corp channel regardless of if someone in the corp has a UVT or not, so everyone can talk. (These will also be available for ISK) There is no issue here. Thanks for the link however during a beta to charge for this is just silly. As I stated above after release sure but during a beta, come on.
Brush Master HavoK Core 163	Posted - 2012.12.18 19:49:00 - [12] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: I do not endorse this. The reasons for the UVT have been stated by CCP. They make sense. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=263211#post263211 UVT's are a nonprofit item. They will be cheap for aurum, and they will be available for ISK when the secondary market hits. CCP is also going to add a UVT that will enable itself for the corp channel regardless of if someone in the corp has a UVT or not, so everyone can talk. (These will also be available for ISK) There is no issue here. The reasons are fine but everyone is just saying they should have had more alternatives before turning it off.
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 789	Posted - 2012.12.18 20:06:00 - [13] - Quote BMSTUBBYx wrote: Thanks for the link however during a beta to charge for this is just silly. As I stated above after release sure but during a beta, come on. How is it silly? Is it silly for them to offer guns and suits for aurum during a beta? I'd think not, especially since any and all aurum purchased is being reimbursed when the beta ends, regardless if you spend it or not. You're really not spending any money on the beta at all. You're spending money on things to use in the full game that you conveniently get to try risk-free now while we're still in beta.
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2049	Posted - 2012.12.18 20:10:00 - [14] - Quote signed
Vermaak Kuvakei Doomheim 89	Posted - 2012.12.18 20:39:00 - [15] - Quote Tbh, CCP has to make it's money off of this game so I vote the UVT for corp stays
RolyatDerTeufel D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 1648	Posted - 2012.12.18 20:42:00 - [16] - Quote BMSTUBBYx wrote: At least until the BETA is over. On release I could see UVT for corp chat being a requirement but during the BETA, meh. Never should I have to pay real money for a core feature in an online only game. Voice with all of my corporation is impossible now. I know a lot of people that may never spend a dime on Dust, should they not be able to talk with the people they are choosing to play with? I agree with Gizmo. Corp and maybe even Alliance chat channels should have free voice no UVT or AUR required. We paid ISK to create the corp, we will (or have been if already in EVE) be paying ISK every month to hold offices in stations for storage of corporation assets ( such as weapons, vehicles, spaceships, skillbooks, etc. ). so. We should NOT add our corp voice channel to the list of bills the corporations have to pay for unless that is every corp in New Eden, not just Corps with Dust players. Even if "EVE - only" corps never use their voice channel. They should have to pay for it like the dust corps if it comes to be that way.
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 789	Posted - 2012.12.18 20:47:00 - [17] - Quote @ Royal : Even eve players who are in NPC corps pay the fee. The fee for the vivox service related to eve voice is included in every eve subscription. Players who don't want to spend a dime on dust will not need to. They'll be able to get their own UVT's for ISK from the secondary market. But it's important that the UVT -is- a secondary market aurum item and not something CCP is selling for ISK. Players can buy them with aurum and then sell them to other players for ISK. I won't deny that CCP could've handled it better, but to the best of my knowledge the fact that you could even talk in corp without a UVT last build was a bug. Since the UVT's introduction it was always stated that you'd need a UVT to talk in any non-squad channel outside of battle. I wouldn't be too opposed to them reverting this change until the secondary market makes its debut, but corp chat being free forever would be a bad move IMO. They'd just need to recoup the costs in other places which means aurum base prices for everything else would go up.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.12.18 20:55:00 - [18] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: Since the UVT's introduction it was always stated that you'd need a UVT to talk in any non-squad channel outside of battle. I'm hoping that, when we get the ability to deploy a full pre-assembled team (and if we DON'T get that option, I'll be sorely disappointed), this will extend to the team chat channel having open voice outside of battle as well.
J'Jor Da'Wg KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 648	Posted - 2012.12.18 21:54:00 - [19] - Quote RolyatDerTeufel wrote: BMSTUBBYx wrote: At least until the BETA is over. On release I could see UVT for corp chat being a requirement but during the BETA, meh. Never should I have to pay real money for a core feature in an online only game. Voice with all of my corporation is impossible now. I know a lot of people that may never spend a dime on Dust, should they not be able to talk with the people they are choosing to play with? I agree with Gizmo. Corp and maybe even Alliance chat channels should have free voice no UVT or AUR required. We paid ISK to create the corp, we will (or have been if already in EVE) be paying ISK every month to hold offices in stations for storage of corporation assets ( such as weapons, vehicles, spaceships, skillbooks, etc. ). so. We should NOT add our corp voice channel to the list of bills the corporations have to pay for unless that is every corp in New Eden, not just Corps with Dust players. Even if "EVE - only" corps never use their voice channel. They should have to pay for it like the dust corps if it comes to be that way. Agree 100% in a game that sill require large scale coordination, making a fee for thr greatest single asset to that coordination is ridiculous. Nova knife, sorry, your wrong. They need to make money yes, but not on UGTs. Recoup the loss woth other things like custom paint jobs for dropsuits or corp logos on tanks and crap. Not on UVTs
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 789	Posted - 2012.12.18 22:14:00 - [20] - Quote J'Jor Da'Wg wrote: Nova knife, sorry, your wrong. They need to make money yes, but not on UGTs. Recoup the loss woth other things like custom paint jobs for dropsuits or corp logos on tanks and crap. Not on UVTs UVT is a non profit item. They aren't selling it to make money. They are selling it because they need to pay vivox to make the voice stuff work in the first place. This is why there is the fee. The UVT will always be cheaper than other aurum products like boosters, because the boosters are a for-profit item as opposed to the UVT which is a non-profit item. If they were to do what you suggest, every aurum item would likely get hiked up a bit in price if they were to ditch the concept of the UVT.

pure instagib 1	Posted - 2012.12.18 22:47:00 - [21] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: If they were to do what you suggest, every aurum item would likely get hiked up a bit in price if they were to ditch the concept of the UVT. There are millions of games advertised as "free to play" but are actually not. Look at the people who already complained about some of the AUR items as a knee-jerk reaction. If the first thing new players find is that they need to pay to talk, they'll probably think, "free my ass" and peace out. I read the devs comments you posted, and they are in a difficult situation if the voice chat becomes a large expense, and it sounds like it will. Accounting-wise, if the devs make a slight increase to AUR items, or slight decrease in how much AUR is sold per purchase, it probably won't matter for most players. If you're spending 7k AUR on speakers, but you no longer need to buy them, it shouldn't matter if the amount paid for AUR items increases by 7k! That being said, I have no idea about marketing for this and how people will react. If people feel like they are getting a better deal for something, they'll be more likely to buy it. (There's so much research on this, it's really interesting, but I won't post it here ;) The tendencies people have to make or justify making certain decisions is rather interesting). If the devs are unable to provide voice chat for free in corps by increasing the price of other AUR items, and intend to make them readily available for ISK on the market, my suggestion is that they give starting players a free one month UVT. Definitely nothing shorter. This will allow players to try the game. If they don't like it, they will probably use voice chat a little, or not at all. If people have been playing for a month and like the game, they'll probably be more willing to pay a small amount to continue using voice chat. Again, with the current system, forcing a new player to pay for a core feature of the game so early is going to make them think it's not free to play. I can't speak for everyone, but I feel like current beta testers would be happier if (for right now) they could purchase UVTs for ISK over the marketplace, or allow players to trade items, so one player can give another some speakers.
PAUL BERNARD Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 76	Posted - 2012.12.18 22:50:00 - [22] - Quote regardless of whether or not its for profit, taking away free voice in corp is 100% not right. The ability to talk is a massive thing, not only strategically, but also just for fun. I know several people who can't buy aurum, won't be able to talk in corp chat, and there goes 90% of the fun from the game. Being able to talk with your friends, even when in different games is a massive ability that makes this game different from others. allowing you to always be in contact with your corpmates adds massive enjoyment. Having mics and talking in corpchat is critical to planning what your going to do with squads, matches, synching ect. Taking away that ability to talk with everyone takes away so much. People definitely will stop playing because of the simple fact, they have to pay to talk with their friends. whether its "for profit" or not its not the right thing to do for the game. period.
slap26 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 463	Posted - 2012.12.18 22:52:00 - [23] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: J'Jor Da'Wg wrote: Nova knife, sorry, your wrong. They need to make money yes, but not on UGTs. Recoup the loss woth other things like custom paint jobs for dropsuits or corp logos on tanks and crap. Not on UVTs UVT is a non profit item. They aren't selling it to make money. They are selling it because they need to pay vivox to make the voice stuff work in the first place. This is why there is the fee. The UVT will always be cheaper than other aurum products like boosters, because the boosters are a for-profit item as opposed to the UVT which is a non-profit item. If they were to do what you suggest, every aurum item would likely get hiked up a bit in price if they were to ditch the concept of the UVT. I for one will just use teamspeak if uvt prices come up to more then 10 AUR a month. And I would be fine if every aurum item would get hiked up in price. If it means free voice chat
Bhor Derri Legion of Eden 95	Posted - 2012.12.18 23:03:00 - [24] - Quote CCP what about this? If the need for UVT depends on distance it would be a viable option you might speak with some corp members (up to 50)if they are close to your location and in the future you might buy planetary transmitters for your HQ or outpost (theese might cost something)so if a corp member is near that base you own he won't have to use an UVT and again we might be able to move from station to station in the future. (forgive my grammatical errors it's 2am over here)
ChickNswell Doomheim 1	Posted - 2012.12.18 23:58:00 - [25] - Quote Put a second option with isk!
Not Inhuman Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 15	Posted - 2012.12.19 01:45:00 - [26] - Quote lol this game is bad
Kazeno Rannaa Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 145	Posted - 2012.12.19 02:02:00 - [27] - Quote I believe if CCP is going to continue to tout the F2P model of Dust, the Corp Chat should be REQUIRED to have NO COST, i.e., NO UVT. If a person desires to be in a corp, then they have to pay out of pocket??!!?? Really!!??!!. BS, WTF!! Being in a corp is the very basis of eve interaction and the MMO side of it. TAKE IT BACK CCP!!
karin gaton Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 14	Posted - 2012.12.19 02:09:00 - [28] - Quote I hear by petition this! bring back free use of corp chat
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.12.19 02:13:00 - [29] - Quote Kazeno Rannaa wrote: I believe if CCP is going to continue to tout the F2P model of Dust, the Corp Chat should be REQUIRED to have NO COST, i.e., NO UVT. If a person desires to be in a corp, then they have to pay out of pocket??!!?? Really!!??!!. BS, WTF!! Being in a corp is the very basis of eve interaction and the MMO side of it. TAKE IT BACK CCP!! You can still get Corp membership and text chat without needing to buy UVTs. And you can still get squad and team chat with corpmates. Just join a squad with some corpmates, and talk all you want. Queue-sync to get into games together, and talk with larger groups of your corpmates. No, it isn't perfect, but it's better than paying money for a free game. And it's as good as most PS3 games give you.
1CLIP 1KILL Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 87	Posted - 2012.12.19 02:55:00 - [30] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: No, it isn't perfect, but it's better than paying money for a free game. And it's as good as most PS3 games give you. They're just going to make many corps use TS or Vent, but that might have been their intention in the first place. Maybe they have a limit to how many can use it or something? It's definitely good voice chat. I was surprised.



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