DUST Search - [PETITION] Give us back voice in corp without use of UVT!

Umbat Boki wrote:

vilandar wrote:

being new to the game i've heard a lot of talk on this subject and i agree that having to pay to talk is a bad idea.
i'm a disabled person and can't work so i have limited funds and can't aford to keep paying for things you get free on other games.we pay enough when we buy the games and dlc's on the highstreet.

so my suggestion...KEEP IT FREE or if they have to charge a one off payment

What the "other games" you are referring to? I haven't heard about any game on consoles that allow to voice chat with someone outside of a squad/team. The only game that may have it is DC Universe online (or how this PS3 MMO is called), but I'm not sure.

Voice chat outside of a battle is for easy organization. It doesn't provide you with any advantages in a battle. Therefore it's a "comfort" like feature and hence you need to pay for it.

Also you don't need to pay to buy DUST and DLCs (major updated after release) will be free also. Imagine you've paid 60$ for DUST. Then calculate how many months of UVT you can afford. If it's less than one year, then start to complain.

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Bribe Guntails Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 5	Posted - 2012.12.19 03:22:00 - [31] - Quote I do not believe that corp voice should be locked without a UVT. In EVE, the primary form of communication is via text chat, you don't see aurum items unlocking text chat in EVE do you? Heck voice is a secondary form and it is not only free in game, it is also used via 3rd party programs such as TS and Vent. Dust however uses VOICE as the PRIMARY means of communication, seeing how players are busy shooting others in the face with a controller or keyboard/mouse. Text is secondary and is tedious without a keyboard. If you are going to clamp down voice chat for corporations without the use of an item that originates from a premium currency transaction you are likening this to slapping a biohazard sign on your game and dissuading people without 'Aurum Haz-Mat suits' . Corp voice is an INTEGRAL part of formulating strategies, getting people together and getting a general sense of order amongst your peers. I don't care if CCP doesn't profit from Aurum UVT's, but if you are clamping down corp voice to UVT buyers then you might as well disable corp text chat in EVE for those who don't have a similar item purchased from the Nexus Store. CCP, PLEASE return corp voice to the way it was. It was much easier to communicate with a simple headset, but now we need to content with a USB keyboard if we have one available and although it may be a minor inconvenience to use one, Dust players don't want to be forced to use a PC peripheral on a console just to be effective. Heck this may start an PC superiority outcry among console players. TL;DR CCP, revert corp voice as it was. Dust doesn't need flame wars and rage for develop because of this and I see no point to charging an insignificant amount of money for a vital piece for corporation cohesion. If the UVT is non-profit then get rid of the damn Aurum price tag. No excuses.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.12.19 03:33:00 - [32] - Quote If you want to prove me wrong about corp chat being a feature that's totally legitimate to charge extra for, feel free to accept my challenge.
FTwelve BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 34	Posted - 2012.12.19 04:12:00 - [33] - Quote I agree Corp chat should be free to use voice communication, it is a kind of extortion if you ask me. There is nothing better than hearing your whole corp at the same time. Sure we can type but us console players rather communicate with the microphone! Sometimes pre battle plans are better disscussed in the corp chat and not in the pre battle lobby.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.12.19 04:18:00 - [34] - Quote FTwelve wrote: I agree Corp chat should be free to use voice communication, it is a kind of extortion if you ask me. There is nothing better than hearing your whole corp at the same time. Sure we can type but us console players rather communicate with the microphone! Sometimes pre battle plans are better disscussed in the corp chat and not in the pre battle lobby. And if we get the ability in future to put together a whole team rather than just a 4-person squad? You won't have the whole corp, but you'll have the whole team available to discuss strategy with. Also, CCP have said they're "looking into" a possible corp-wide UVT item that can be purchased by a single player to open up Corp voice chat. it's not a guaranteed feature that's definitely coming, but it's being considered as an option.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2012.12.19 04:55:00 - [35] - Quote I need to know what the final price of the UVT will be before determining if paying for a UVT is reasonable or not. For 10 AUR, it won't break the pockets and I won't pay anything over a $1/mo because I understand we have to cover the cost of voice comms. I do respect the desire to make corp comms free, however. But definitely not at the cost of raising AUR items in the store that I'll lose everytime that I die. Why not include a UVT in the purchase of a merc pack? Or, the option of a UVT or skill booster?
Indy Strizer Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 52	Posted - 2012.12.19 06:31:00 - [36] - Quote WHY TIMMY DIDN'T PLAY DUST514 Once upon a time, there was a boy named Timmy who was mildly interested in dust514... He was a rather normal boy who liked gaming and played many other games, he was totally open to the idea of supporting a game he loves, much like he would support a band whose music he loves. He looked forward to such a game and intended to play it. Dust514 was released and he downloaded the game. As soon as he started playing, he noticed players were divided into 4 man squads rather than simply being put into teams. He did not know whether to pick squad chat or team chat, he could never know if players were on one or the other or if players in other squads had microphones... Why didn't they just put players in Team Chat? It seemed needlessly complicated to him, he couldn't possibly be conscious of this ever match and gradually gave up. Timmy was disappointed, he found Dust514's gameplay rather uncompelling. Every match had players running around like headless chickens with assault rifles... For without communication, there can not be coordination and without that, there are no tactics and without that there are no counter tactics. The game's promise of deep futuristic combat with specialized roles was unfulfilled for him... Fortunately, Timmy decided to join a corporation, the corporation members told him he had to buy a UVT to chat with them though. He was shocked and angered! He hardly knew these people! Why would he invest in talking to them? He wanted to have fun corp battling other corps, not chit chatting with other players. He was allowed in without UVT anyways though because he was so talented, he played a few corp battles and even won, but he never got attached to the community or the world of New Eden, he never developed that sense of rivalry and comradery with his corpmates that hooks other players, he could never convince himself to pay for such things, they were free in other games and in real life. Time passed, Timmy played, but moved on as soon as another over-hyped FPS was released. He loaded it into his PS3 and saw players running around like headless chickens. There was no suspense, no sense of persistence, no deep character development, but atleast he had voice chat and that made his experiences far more organic and memorable with his real life friends. He never became conscious of being part of something larger with dust and so it was no different from this game, he played this new game, running around the same maps over and over, yelling at people, telling them how terrible they were and how pissed he was about it, much like a headless chicken, it was fun. Eventually he deleted dust514 from his HDD and lived happily ever after. THE END
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.12.19 06:33:00 - [37] - Quote ITS A BUG CCP Frame wrote: Hey guys, We are currently investigating this issue and will update you here the moment we have more information available. Thank you for your patience. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=435434#post435434
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.12.19 07:31:00 - [38] - Quote Indy Strizer wrote: WHY TIMMY DIDN'T PLAY DUST514 I liked this story. +1, but also a couple of points where things may not turn out as they seem in the current build. Quote: Why didn't they just put players in Team Chat? That's a question I've been asking for a while now. Along with "why is voice chat turned off by default?" and "why do we have push to talk enabled by default?" Quote: Fortunately, Timmy decided to join a corporation, the corporation members told him he had to buy a UVT to chat with them though. CCP are known to be "looking into" options for a single-purchase corporation-wide UVT item. Also, when there's a player market and a corp armoury to go with the corp wallet, it's possible player corporations will be able to provide their members with UVTs. And lastly, on a less serious note... Quote: He hardly knew these people! Why would he invest in talking to them? He wanted to have fun corp battling other corps, not chit chatting with other players. Timmy doesn't seem to understand the basics of social interaction.
Dezus 1000 Reaper Galactic 13	Posted - 2012.12.19 08:27:00 - [39] - Quote I do not mind supporting CCP in the slightest as I am an EVE subscriber and have bought aur, but I do feel this change might really hurt my corporation.
vilandar pandionXknights 0	Posted - 2012.12.19 11:56:00 - [40] - Quote being new to the game i've heard a lot of talk on this subject and i agree that having to pay to talk is a bad idea. i'm a disabled person and can't work so i have limited funds and can't aford to keep paying for things you get free on other games.we pay enough when we buy the games and dlc's on the highstreet. so my suggestion...KEEP IT FREE or if they have to charge a one off payment

xAckie Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 125	Posted - 2012.12.19 12:36:00 - [41] - Quote Indy Strizer wrote: WHY TIMMY DIDN'T PLAY DUST514 stuff... THE END this
Umbat Boki Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 157	Posted - 2012.12.19 12:40:00 - [42] - Quote vilandar wrote: being new to the game i've heard a lot of talk on this subject and i agree that having to pay to talk is a bad idea. i'm a disabled person and can't work so i have limited funds and can't aford to keep paying for things you get free on other games.we pay enough when we buy the games and dlc's on the highstreet. so my suggestion...KEEP IT FREE or if they have to charge a one off payment What the "other games" you are referring to? I haven't heard about any game on consoles that allow to voice chat with someone outside of a squad/team. The only game that may have it is DC Universe online (or how this PS3 MMO is called), but I'm not sure. Voice chat outside of a battle is for easy organization. It doesn't provide you with any advantages in a battle. Therefore it's a "comfort" like feature and hence you need to pay for it. Also you don't need to pay to buy DUST and DLCs (major updated after release) will be free also. Imagine you've paid 60$ for DUST. Then calculate how many months of UVT you can afford. If it's less than one year, then start to complain.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.12.19 12:42:00 - [43] - Quote +1 for Timmys story. Winner of best factual dust article 2012
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 789	Posted - 2012.12.19 13:01:00 - [44] - Quote I think the key thing you guys are missing here is that You will be able to buy a UVT for ISK If you don't want to spend money on dust, you won't and never will have to, even if you want aurum stuff. You'll even be able to get boosters for ISK as well. Same with any item available for aurum. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=263211#post263211 UVT's were always going to be this way. It was a bug that corp channels didn't require it last build. The arguments "I CAN'T AFFORD IT" and "HOW IS IT FREE IF I HAVE TO PAY FOR A 'CORE' FEATURE" are moot.
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1155	Posted - 2012.12.19 13:39:00 - [45] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: I think the key thing you guys are missing here is that You will be able to buy a UVT for ISK If you don't want to spend money on dust, you won't and never will have to, even if you want aurum stuff. You'll even be able to get boosters for ISK as well. Same with any item available for aurum. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=263211#post263211 UVT's were always going to be this way. It was a bug that corp channels didn't require it last build. The arguments "I CAN'T AFFORD IT" and "HOW IS IT FREE IF I HAVE TO PAY FOR A 'CORE' FEATURE" are moot. I'd be curious to see if the people that "can't afford it" use active boosters or how they bought a PS3 in the first place. Free-to-play doesnt mean being able to have everything for free. Otherwise, how is the game supposed to live ? What's really missing is the ability for ONE guys to pay UVT for ONE ROOM. Instead of hoping for each member to buy UVT individually. This, and ISK transfer inside a corp to "pay back" the guy who actually bought the damn thing should work pretty nicely.
ultradeadly BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 0	Posted - 2012.12.19 14:20:00 - [46] - Quote The corp chat was the only semi-organized wayt to get people to grp up up. With the UVT some of our players cant communicate with the fellow corp members since they dont't like typing in the corp chat. Some people dont like spending money on games to.
Madden The Merciless D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 95	Posted - 2012.12.19 15:17:00 - [47] - Quote We need corp chat to coordinate in this game, without many of the central features as the games expands will never work, please give us a way to utilize this feature without making everyone of our members spend money, that will never happen, aurum can't be a requirement, just a tool to expand
Gunner Visari Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 163	Posted - 2012.12.19 15:34:00 - [48] - Quote Currently UVT costs 10 AUR. 2000 AUR is = $1 U.S. Unfortunately the minimum amount PS will add to your wallet is $5 U.S. if you try to purchase through in game, maybe it's different if you go to PS store directly and perhaps there you can buy the 1.99 pack and have the 1.99 directly charged but i don't think so, i think the Wallet forces you to make a minimum addition of $5 to your account. I know they will eventually allow you to purchase UVT for isk and also be able to put UVT in market. I get that they are trying to test this feature but 10 AUR is literally 1/2 a penny for 30day use, just make it free then since obviously you are keeping this very low price to test the feature out anyway, better to just make it free for the duration of the closed beta.
Rendiff Jurr Black Omega Industrial 21	Posted - 2012.12.19 16:07:00 - [49] - Quote Why is it that Dust is the first game I've ever seen that makes you pay for voice chat? I don't think that the gaming community at large will be on board with this when the game comes out.
POCKPICKETER L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 3	Posted - 2012.12.19 16:40:00 - [50] - Quote YES I WANT CORP CHAT BACK AS WELL!! ADD ME TO THE LIST

Death On Contact Doomheim 56	Posted - 2012.12.19 17:29:00 - [51] - Quote +1 Don't charge for corp voice! GÖá Death On Contact
LordElfwing WSG Wraith Shadow Guards 3	Posted - 2012.12.19 18:09:00 - [52] - Quote i think corp chat should be free as well at least until game goes live..... i know they r talking about letting u buy UVT with isk when they open up the rest of the market but r they just going let any amount added to the item for sell or is there going be a set amount or max amount to sell it for.... it will not mean to S**Ts if the UVTs r priced at 1000000 isk to buy noe one is going buy them then and were right back to no one talking in corp chat.
Gunner Visari Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 163	Posted - 2012.12.19 18:24:00 - [53] - Quote You don't have to pay for chat while in game, squad/team chat is free. That is the equivalent of every game in PS3. The only people you can voice comm with in any PS game is if they are on your team or party prior to searching for game. The reason why it's an issue in this game is because it isn't fully integrated with PSN so you can't yet send invs to your PSN friends through XMB like you can in other games. All those other games if i want to communicate with other outside of my party/team i need to use either the messaging system or create a text chat. Voice chat room PSN side can't function while in game only when in dashboard only. This is just entitlement and fury over a feature that wasn't supposed to exist now functioning the way it was intended which is on par with EVERY PS3 game on market that you pay $60 for. While we are at it why don't we rage at Sony for not giving us party/cross game chat like you get with XBL, oh wait you have to pay $50 just to play online with XBL and this feature Sony has explored is really only desired by NA. EUR and Asia markets just don't care for it, thats why they don't implement it. Grrr how dare you give me free stuff and not give me features i find in other platforms that people PAY for. /thread. Edit- If organizing corp battles is an issue without voice, i recommend creating a PSN text chat at least that way the notfications are visible everytime someone writes something(assuming you have your notfications enabled).
Arron Rift Commando Perkone Caldari State 73	Posted - 2012.12.19 19:33:00 - [54] - Quote +1, and I don't even use voice chat! making people pay for such a simple thing just seems underhanded and greedy. On the other hand, however, these things only cost about one AUR per month last I checked, and $1=2000 AUR, so couldn't you just put $1 in your account and be good? Perhaps I'm wrong...
RedBleach LeSanglant Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 136	Posted - 2012.12.19 20:06:00 - [55] - Quote The pricing has yet to be hashed out. But overall I disagree with the OP. It was decided long ago that a UVT would be needed, and I will not word vomit every argument that has been posted on the subject. In my opinion it is ok to charge for UVT. And CCP needs data on buying habits as well. I guarantee they logged every purchase of a codewish and every other AUR item. Making a player buy one will help them to understand where to price it, how often it is used, and tie it together with the rest of the data. It is a cheap thing now, and will probably be cheap in the release as well. Deal with it and find some change.
h3lenK3ller Doomheim 13	Posted - 2012.12.20 01:41:00 - [56] - Quote I agree we need free corp chat
kyan west D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 8	Posted - 2012.12.20 03:27:00 - [57] - Quote +1
843 nerfnut96 BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 1	Posted - 2012.12.20 03:44:00 - [58] - Quote this is bull crap, now i have to pay to talk? what they need to do is make the AUR items and weapons cost more if needed (i know they do need to make money) but give me my free voice chat back. i mean if this what its like in the beta what is it going to be like when the full game comes out.
FFFFF recruiter Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 16	Posted - 2012.12.21 20:11:00 - [59] - Quote even though i have UVT i still want corp chat to be free. this game was meant to encourage battlefield/COD fans to dust but with all this unessecery stuff they'll just leave this game in the PSN store and not in there ps3
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.12.21 21:23:00 - [60] - Quote Umbat Boki wrote: vilandar wrote: being new to the game i've heard a lot of talk on this subject and i agree that having to pay to talk is a bad idea. i'm a disabled person and can't work so i have limited funds and can't aford to keep paying for things you get free on other games.we pay enough when we buy the games and dlc's on the highstreet. so my suggestion...KEEP IT FREE or if they have to charge a one off payment What the "other games" you are referring to? I haven't heard about any game on consoles that allow to voice chat with someone outside of a squad/team. The only game that may have it is DC Universe online (or how this PS3 MMO is called), but I'm not sure. Voice chat outside of a battle is for easy organization. It doesn't provide you with any advantages in a battle. Therefore it's a "comfort" like feature and hence you need to pay for it. Also you don't need to pay to buy DUST and DLCs (major updated after release) will be free also. Imagine you've paid 60$ for DUST. Then calculate how many months of UVT you can afford. If it's less than one year, then start to complain. Based on the results of this thread (5 pages so far), there seem to be only 2 games with a free equivalent to corp chat. DCUO is one, and EVE Online is the other. So if you're looking exclusively for consoles, you have.... DCUO. And even that's arguable because you have to pay for a subscription to create your "League" in the first place.



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