no additional WP for AV. Its allready good enough when you kill a fully manned tank.
150WP for the tank kill itself
50WP for each dead person in the tank =another 150 WP

You are aible to get in total 300WP for killing 1 tank. How about you shut up with dumb ideas like that. Logis dont get WP for repairing so why should AV stand out off the masses? Sorry to burst your bubble but its good how it is at the moment. Another thing is people with forgeguns are very well capable in killing infantry just with splash damage to gain more WP. Long story short:
sucks for you buddy so deal with it.

no additional WP for AV. Its allready good enough when you kill a fully manned tank.
150WP for the tank kill itself
50WP for each dead person in the tank =another 150 WP

no additional WP for AV. Its allready good enough when you kill a fully manned tank.
150WP for the tank kill itself
50WP for each dead person in the tank =another 150 WP

You are aible to get in total 300WP for killing 1 tank. How about you shut up with dumb ideas like that. Logis dont get WP for repairing so why should AV stand out off the masses? Sorry to burst your bubble but its good how it is at the moment. Another thing is people with forgeguns are very well capable in killing infantry just with splash damage to gain more WP. Long story short:
sucks for you buddy so deal with it.

no additional WP for AV. Its allready good enough when you kill a fully manned tank.
150WP for the tank kill itself
50WP for each dead person in the tank =another 150 WP

You are aible to get in total 300WP for killing 1 tank. How about you shut up with dumb ideas like that. Logis dont get WP for repairing so why should AV stand out off the masses? Sorry to burst your bubble but its good how it is at the moment. Another thing is people with forgeguns are very well capable in killing infantry just with splash damage to gain more WP. Long story short:
sucks for you buddy so deal with it.

no additional WP for AV. Its allready good enough when you kill a fully manned tank.
150WP for the tank kill itself
50WP for each dead person in the tank =another 150 WP

You are aible to get in total 300WP for killing 1 tank. How about you shut up with dumb ideas like that. Logis dont get WP for repairing so why should AV stand out off the masses? Sorry to burst your bubble but its good how it is at the moment. Another thing is people with forgeguns are very well capable in killing infantry just with splash damage to gain more WP. Long story short:
sucks for you buddy so deal with it.

firstly, it isnt 150WP for destroying a tank. It is 100;

Fielding av is risky business esp if it is swarms...since they cannot hurt men...after the vehicles are dead all I can rely on is my pistol and good luck matching any ar with that...

I'm just commenting on this part.
You're wrong. I get 150 + 50 when I kill a tank, sorry.
(200 WP on most tanks, 300 if I'm lucky.)

As for WP on damaging a vehicle then tanks should have that also because we damage each other quite a bit with 1 shot before we have to hide and rep we do that much damage

I'd have to agree ... damage is damage, but I still think your assist points are a bit much in HAVs, a gunner can sit there doing nothing and list in the top 3 on the leaderboard.

I've just had a thought ...

Were damage points removed because they were adding to the orbital spam from the LAV repair exploits

Never saw this mentioned, but it kind of makes sense ... maybe this was actually only temporary aswell ... hmm ... if so I retract that part of my reply to Dark Cloud ... the rest still stands though.

This seems like a huge problem for people hunting tanks.

we all know tanks will be getting more power again

so the following way isk is distributed it is in effect discouraging AV players.

If you spend most of a match hunting tanks you probably died a lot from infantry and said tanks, but more importantly you sacrificed your slaying time to hunt tanks giving you much less of the final payout. Not sure about you guys but this doesn't seem to reward the person doing all the work and incurring the most expense.

If we increased wp then it would reward more for tank killing efforts, however then it gives other tankers even bigger payouts for hunting other tanks not sure what the answer is?

This is a quote of how the isk payout is calculated.

"A portion of the reward pool for each battle depends on the value of items destroyed in the battle. If the battle saw countless vehicles and expensive prototype gear destroyed, everyone is in for bigger rewards. ISK rewards are calculated as follows for each participant

Team rewards: The total rewards calculated from the value destroyed are split between the participating teams, with the winning team earning a larger share. Then, each participant earns a cut of the total rewards that their team received based on the time they spent in the battle. If you're late to the party, you'll earn a smaller cut.

Individual rewards: Finally, every participant receives a reward based on their individual contribution on the battlefield. Mercs earn war points based on their actions in the course of each battle, and the more war points you score, the higher your cut of the total payout."
Original article. http://www.ps3news.com/playstation-3-psn-news/ccp-outlines-war-and-profit-in-dust-514-for-playstation-3/

This information is probably not accurate. according to the bug blog on the bug board CCP CMDR WANG:[BUG/FEEDBACK] Vehicle destruction ISK issue - not rewarding players that destroy them
Status: This may be due to a misunderstanding of how the reward system works. A dev blog to explain this will be out soon.

I would also support adding WP back in for damaging vehicles, not just destroying them.

There are times when my Forge or Swarms deny an area to an enemy tank, forcing them to retreat. How is that not a contribution to my team that should be rewarded?

Isn't denying an enemy tank in and of itself reward? By that I mean a HAV, which is freely allowed to roam and amass kills will help its friendly infantry capture objectives and push the enemy back too their spawn.

There are other tasks which contribute to a winning team and not all those get immediate tangible rewards, but as per the PSN blog article it does contribute to team reward.

Reward for the TEAM? Yes.

PERSONAL reward? Not so much.

Do you see how this is going to be a potentially game-breaking problem for PUGs?

I don't know why they removed WP for doing partial damage on a vehicle. They could bring that back, so AV guys get WP for damaging a vehicle that retreats before it's destroyed.

It wouldn't give other tanks that much of a bonus to their WP because if they hunt a tank they usually kill it or die themself, whereas an AV guy might do partial damage to the same tank ten times in the same match.

Isn't denying an enemy tank in and of itself reward? By that I mean a HAV, which is freely allowed to roam and amass kills will help its friendly infantry capture objectives and push the enemy back too their spawn.

There are other tasks which contribute to a winning team and not all those get immediate tangible rewards, but as per the PSN blog article it does contribute to team reward.

we all know tanks will be getting more power again

This seems like a huge problem for people hunting tanks.

we all know tanks will be getting more power again

so the following way isk is distributed it is in effect discouraging AV players.

If you spend most of a match hunting tanks you probably died a lot from infantry and said tanks, but more importantly you sacrificed your slaying time to hunt tanks giving you much less of the final payout. Not sure about you guys but this doesn't seem to reward the person doing all the work and incurring the most expense.

If we increased wp then it would reward more for tank killing efforts, however then it gives other tankers even bigger payouts for hunting other tanks not sure what the answer is?

This is a quote of how the isk payout is calculated.

"A portion of the reward pool for each battle depends on the value of items destroyed in the battle. If the battle saw countless vehicles and expensive prototype gear destroyed, everyone is in for bigger rewards. ISK rewards are calculated as follows for each participant

Team rewards: The total rewards calculated from the value destroyed are split between the participating teams, with the winning team earning a larger share. Then, each participant earns a cut of the total rewards that their team received based on the time they spent in the battle. If you're late to the party, you'll earn a smaller cut.

Individual rewards: Finally, every participant receives a reward based on their individual contribution on the battlefield. Mercs earn war points based on their actions in the course of each battle, and the more war points you score, the higher your cut of the total payout."
Original article. http://www.ps3news.com/playstation-3-psn-news/ccp-outlines-war-and-profit-in-dust-514-for-playstation-3/

I dont give a crap about this damage nonsense. Do i get points for damaging a infantry unit? No. And if you took out a tank it should be a achievement for the whole team. Its allready way to easy to kill a tank when you run a decent squad. So no im still against this idea and its wasted time for the devs to care about something minor like that. What really needs to be looked at is that people are aible to solo tanks on their own not some WP bollocks simply because you can kill any armor tank with 3~4 volleys from a darkside CBR-7, hell i even soloed a sagaris today with 4 assault forgegun hits and a AV grenade. And Av roles are fine how they are simply cause you first go normal infantry and you switch to AV when the enemy brings something better then a starter fit LAV. Another thing that people seem to forget is that points for tank destruction has beeing rised as we left the E3 build. I think i know why the devs wont put it back in. Because its not that hard to take out a tank anymore. If you have problems to take out a tank then you are very bad on this game.

AV is a secondary specialisation in my opinion and should be useless against infantry. All what is left is to reduce the blast radius from forgeguns and we are set. The devs stated that a forgegun is basically a hand wielded railgun but on the other hand it has more splash damage. It should have half off the blast radius then normal railguns would do. And dont deny the fact that imperfects are aware off that. I saw it 1 time where 6 off you where on the 4 point map, sitting on the plattform in the middle and killing every 1 with splash damage from above. Clearly abusing a broken weapon. If you go AV then only AV not anti everything. And not my problem if AV players have not enough targets to blow up to get higher amounts of WP. Its just simply as it is at the moment. So deal with it. And im on the vehicle side because they are over nerfed shall i begin with whats broken?

Dropship =pilots earn 0WP trough the whole match
LAV's=only transport cause you cant attack anybody with it anymore due to the missile nerf
Tanks= Big, slow moving and easy destroyable target unless they sit in their redline due to the massive resistance nerf

I think the dropship pilot WP issue for spawns inside off it should be fixed before thinking to give AV players more WP. And i dont care if my corp buddys have a other opinion. Im not a mindless sheep like a Imperfect who obeys to everything that they get told. And now i tell you a secret.
The reason why im the head of PR is simply because IDGAF about what corp members or other corps think about me. And thats why our CEO chosed me.

Flashback to 2 weeks ago, DS pilots were getting 0kill / 0 deaths and 2500 wp, becuase they were and still are getting WP for everyone inside the vehicle for kills from the gun batteries. As far as probably most are concerned who played thru that, DS users/pilots and gunners still have some time with a blindfold in front of the firing squad for being such tools...tankers only slight less so.... you don't need it every match, but damn those non-corp affililated noobs for daring to attack you effectively with much less gear than you can field.

Did CCP fix swarm launchers yet? Not last night where 4 out of the 5 missles did the hard left out of the barrel in to the mountain 50 meters away for a target that was downrange center not off to the right or left, and not moving. At this point I would ask for a straight up RPG, at least one that works.

You show me 1 tank that is so slow moving that it can't run and hide, while not being able to take out 5 to 10 infantry on the retreat.

Then when you do manage to track down tanks these days up in the mountains, you can't get them because of the redline, just like that truly wussy sniper.... if you can shoot me, not from your spawn, but still behind the red-line you are a coward.

Flashback to 2 weeks ago, DS pilots were getting 0kill / 0 deaths and 2500 wp, becuase they were and still are getting WP for everyone inside the vehicle for kills from the gun batteries. As far as probably most are concerned who played thru that, DS users/pilots and gunners still have some time with a blindfold in front of the firing squad for being such tools...tankers only slight less so.... you don't need it every match, but damn those non-corp affililated noobs for daring to attack you effectively with much less gear than you can field.

Did CCP fix swarm launchers yet? Not last night where 4 out of the 5 missles did the hard left out of the barrel in to the mountain 50 meters away for a target that was downrange center not off to the right or left, and not moving. At this point I would ask for a straight up RPG, at least one that works.

You show me 1 tank that is so slow moving that it can't run and hide, while not being able to take out 5 to 10 infantry on the retreat.

Then when you do manage to track down tanks these days up in the mountains, you can't get them because of the redline, just like that truly wussy sniper.... if you can shoot me, not from your spawn, but still behind the red-line you are a coward.

could just rate heavies at a higher payoff rate, may need to be played with so its not "the new farming" thing.

I don't know why they removed WP for doing partial damage on a vehicle. They could bring that back, so AV guys get WP for damaging a vehicle that retreats before it's destroyed.

It wouldn't give other tanks that much of a bonus to their WP because if they hunt a tank they usually kill it or die themself, whereas an AV guy might do partial damage to the same tank ten times in the same match.

This seems like a huge problem for people hunting tanks.

we all know tanks will be getting more power again

so the following way isk is distributed it is in effect discouraging AV players.

If you spend most of a match hunting tanks you probably died a lot from infantry and said tanks, but more importantly you sacrificed your slaying time to hunt tanks giving you much less of the final payout. Not sure about you guys but this doesn't seem to reward the person doing all the work and incurring the most expense.

If we increased wp then it would reward more for tank killing efforts, however then it gives other tankers even bigger payouts for hunting other tanks not sure what the answer is?

This is a quote of how the isk payout is calculated.

"A portion of the reward pool for each battle depends on the value of items destroyed in the battle. If the battle saw countless vehicles and expensive prototype gear destroyed, everyone is in for bigger rewards. ISK rewards are calculated as follows for each participant

Team rewards: The total rewards calculated from the value destroyed are split between the participating teams, with the winning team earning a larger share. Then, each participant earns a cut of the total rewards that their team received based on the time they spent in the battle. If you're late to the party, you'll earn a smaller cut.

Individual rewards: Finally, every participant receives a reward based on their individual contribution on the battlefield. Mercs earn war points based on their actions in the course of each battle, and the more war points you score, the higher your cut of the total payout."
Original article. http://www.ps3news.com/playstation-3-psn-news/ccp-outlines-war-and-profit-in-dust-514-for-playstation-3/