Sadly this is a major problem in most "team based" FPS games. I could understand 1 sniper was in back and was actually giving out locations of key targets. Now when a whole team does it because they are getting red lined, why not just leave the game and find another game? Surely you can't find sitting behind the red line that fun, now can you?

Which is why more people with snipers need to actually move around and play the game.

scrubs that sit on mountains and snipe are no skill lazy non-team players.

win or lose scrubs will try and pad their kdr on the hills.

[quote=Free Beers
I use an SMG as my sidearm, and roll into battle behind the assaults, Then I use my sniper to pick off reinforcements from afar

I've said it before and I'll say it again - Snipers are the scourge of this game.

Sniper is the only class that I hate as both friend and foe.
I get frustrated when I'm shot by a sniper.
And I also get frustrated when I see one of my team members as a sniper.

No other class makes me frustrated in both ways.


It annoys me that we still cater for this scrub class - why do we still have them in FPS?

When Dust finally releases, I'd love to see a "No Snipers allowed" game mode. I guarantee it would be full to bursting!

There are times when I see a sniper who's bad at their job, and just roll my eyes and wish they were on the other side instead of with my team.

There are also times where a GOOD sniper will save my life, and I'll be glad they had my back.

I appreciate what you're saying, but consider this -
Would you rather that Sniper who got your back, be an Assault or Heavy, standing shoulder to shoulder with you on the ground, capping objectives?
I know what my preference would be. I'd trade 5 snipers for 1 heavy any day of the week!!

One thing is, and I've been playing FPS games for almost 10 years, 9/10 snipers are always useless. The main reason in objective based games, they sit in back and lay in wait till the objective is being taken than take a shot. Those snipers may have good KDR but are rarely usefully for the team. I'd rather take a sniper that moves with the group than a sniper waiting in back.

A sniper that moves with the pack?? thats just silly. you do know what a snipers job is dont you?

Get off your damn mountain and come and run and gun on the ground

Those objectives don't cap themselves and trust me it's way more fun then sitting up there in your lonely nest all match. This isn't going to be a true fps without the quick-scoping guys, so come and join the few that do.

All they need to do is have a base you can't shoot into or out of.

Get rid of the red line scrub protector.

If you don't like this idea, then I'm sorry, YOU are a useless scrub.

A sniper that moves with the pack?? thats just silly. you do know what a snipers job is dont you?

Does Sniping LAVS in the red line count as useless?

So what, exactly...Is a sniper in this game supposed to do?

Cant really get into close quarter cause snipers in close quarters fail pretty hardcore in this game.

Mid-long distance snipers will get owned by Tactical Assault Rifle players, simply because aiming is slow and the headshot hit detection is quite low...

Very Long Distance snipers are the only viable snipers in the game at the moment unless you do as was suggested earlier and go in with a SMG as your sidearm. But personally, when i roll a sniper class...I want to snipe.

I can understand your frustration, but come on guys...its just people having fun the way they want to. Just because they arent playing exactly like you play, doesnt make them the *** of the earth and useless piece of crap.

Snipers are useless... AKA the SCUM of infantry everywhere
.
What Snipers can do
1. Slay (Kill people)- I can do it better
2. Defend objectives- I can do it better
3. Farm KDR- I can do it better

What Snipers Cannot do
1. Give ammo
2. Provide consistent support
3. Cap objectives
3.Anything useful

After hearing all of these sniper statements I am beginning to that LOGI players are higher then Snipers in infantry Hierarchy

You're forgetting one very crucial fact...In Ambush especially, the sniper will have a far better KDR than you will, you may get twice as many kills, but chances are you die 3 times as many times...therefor the sniper is more useful to the objective than you are.

I personally think that if KDR was removed out of the game, players might not do this as much.

I guess you have never played against/with me if your making such stupid statements

You're forgetting one very crucial fact...In Ambush especially, the sniper will have a far better KDR than you will, you may get twice as many kills, but chances are you die 3 times as many times...therefor the sniper is more useful to the objective than you are.

I don't need to to know how you play to say the typical 5/1 KDR of a Sniper is more beneficial than the normal 2/1 KDR of a Run and Gun player.

5/1 KDR is +5 your team, +1 Enemy Team for a +4 Net gain for your team

2/1 Is +2 Your team +1 Enemy Team For a +1 Net Gain for your team.

I HIGHLY doubt you are posting a 5/1 KDR on the ground, HIGHLY doubt it.

In Ambush, those "Typical Snipers" you are all Bitching about are worth more to the team than you are.

You can certainly make the argument for Skirmish though. UNLESS those snipers have a birds eye view of the objective locations and are skilled enough to pick off any opponents trying to capture it.

Defending your objectives is just as important as capturing your opponents.

I highly doubt that sir, no offense.

I highly doubt that sir, no offense.

IMO CCP needs to give the snipers something better to do up in those hills other than snipe.
Give the snipers some "Scout"tools like Binos to laser target enemy positions and then they can be useful.

Snipers are useless... AKA the SCUM of infantry everywhere
.
What Snipers can do
1. Slay (Kill people)- I can do it better
2. Defend objectives- I can do it better
3. Farm KDR- I can do it better

What Snipers Cannot do
1. Give ammo
2. Provide consistent support
3. Cap objectives
3.Anything useful

After hearing all of these sniper statements I am beginning to that LOGI players are higher then Snipers in infantry Hierarchy

they sit in back and lay in wait till the objective is being taken than take a shot.

IMO CCP needs to give the snipers something better to do up in those hills other than snipe.
Give the snipers some "Scout"tools like Binos to laser target enemy positions and then they can be useful.

I love those games where you join half-completed and my team is already redlined. The ones I hate are when Sleepy Zan is already sniping you as you spawn in your own redline. He knows all the forward sniping points, and knows the exact locations that you're gonna spawn. .

Actually, I just see the blue light as you materialize and shoot at before you actually spawn in.

CCP should get rid of the delay when spawning in so you can move around right out of the gate.

Scout in the hills spots and paints the target. Guy on the ground grabs his mass driver and launches in the right general direction. MD round tracks in on the painted target and boom!

Lovin' it.

[REQUEST] Mortar-like weapons
Update: We have a design that will give the Mass Driver a secondary fire mode that is very similar to a mortar and other designs for "area of effect" weapons as well. For now we are focusing on imporving existing weapons first.

Get off your damn mountain and come and run and gun on the ground

Those objectives don't cap themselves and trust me it's way more fun then sitting up there in your lonely nest all match. This isn't going to be a true fps without the quick-scoping guys, so come and join the few that do.

I have seen more people running and gunning with the sniper and I say, "kudos to you."
But to everyone else, what is better than to use a sniper to out CQC a shotgun or headshot that annoying protosuit guy face to face.

I just see to many people being lazy on mountains and it makes me sad that they decide not to use the sniper to its full potential like they do in other games in other games.

So come on down and turn this into a real fps


,bring you friends.

How is quickscoping good sniping? You don't ******* run around with sniper rifles and shoot people. You stay in one spot and move to another. Quickscoping is so STUPID! I can't stand it. Snipers are supposed to be far far away from the main battle accounting for gravity and wind, they don't go to the front lines quickscoping.

scrubs that sit on mountains and snipe are no skill lazy non-team players.

win or lose scrubs will try and pad their kdr on the hills.

Only when it ruin's others' fun.

Like Quickscoping...

It isn't fun, it's stupid, an exploit, added into games, only COD really because people want to abuse it. This game isn't a militairy simulator, but it's not some arcade game where you can jump spin around in a circle and quick scope. That's not what sniping is and it's a shame COD has done something like that to sniping.

This time next year we'll probably be seeing proper, mature, squad configurations & tactics being used regularly.

* Heavy with HMG or Forge, full frontal attack.
* Logistics, probably with mass driver, moving up behind the heavy (possibly walking backwards quite a bit to keep an eye on the "6")
* Assault with AR out on the flank, killing enemies who are too focussed on the heavy
* Stealthy scout with SMG and sniper rifle somewhere near by

Most of the time the scout will be getting surprise close-up kills with the SMG. However, when the squad encounters an enemy sniper he'll switch to the sniper rifle and counter-snipe.

Another "on the ground" sniper tactic might be: you've capped B and are moving to C. The scout is keeping an eye on B, and pops any reds who go for the re-cap.


The "in the hills" sniper will be part of the support squad with the tank driver, dropship pilot and dropship gunner.

5 Snipers???? Yeah right! Most i've seen including myself is 3 and that's only when trying to get back into structure.

Like Chunky Munkey said: "The people with long range weapons use them from long range . . . wah."

So I'm gonna sit there and get blown away willingly? pfft yeah ok

Get off your damn mountain and come and run and gun on the ground

Those objectives don't cap themselves and trust me it's way more fun then sitting up there in your lonely nest all match. This isn't going to be a true fps without the quick-scoping guys, so come and join the few that do.

I have seen more people running and gunning with the sniper and I say, "kudos to you."
But to everyone else, what is better than to use a sniper to out CQC a shotgun or headshot that annoying protosuit guy face to face.

I just see to many people being lazy on mountains and it makes me sad that they decide not to use the sniper to its full potential like they do in other games in other games.

So come on down and turn this into a real fps


,bring you friends.

Sleepy Zan, I would like to say first that I've had the pleasure of going against you in the past during closed beta and I have the utmost respect for your marksmanship. Im not even going to say your kdr but more towards your average wp per match that I've seen. Your a great at run and gun tactics and your team supports you and you assist them in kind.

Now with that out of the way I have to say Im ashamed of you right now for starting this thread, it's something I would expect out of the influx of our newer players but not from you. No one, not even you have the right to tell anyone how a particular load out should be played. At the moment Im still the best sniper in my corp and I will hill top, front point snipe to keep enemy snipers off my squad mates as the situation dictates. I also run my sniper in assault suits so if sniping goes south I can run in for front line service, If someone enjoys the idea of sitting on a hill top the entire match, do what I know you can do well and shoot them, that's what i do.

*cough* should tell that to your own corpmates *cough*