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fahrenheitM
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.11.26 16:17:00 -
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I love those games where you join half-completed and my team is already redlined. The ones I hate are when Sleepy Zan is already sniping you as you spawn in your own redline. He knows all the forward sniping points, and knows the exact locations that you're gonna spawn. . |
Balarius Moonbane
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.11.26 16:21:00 -
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Quote: Snipers are useless... AKA the SCUM of infantry everywhere . What Snipers can do 1. Slay (Kill people)- I can do it better 2. Defend objectives- I can do it better 3. Farm KDR- I can do it better
What Snipers Cannot do 1. Give ammo 2. Provide consistent support 3. Cap objectives 3.Anything useful
After hearing all of these sniper statements I am beginning to that LOGI players are higher then Snipers in infantry Hierarchy
You're forgetting one very crucial fact...In Ambush especially, the sniper will have a far better KDR than you will, you may get twice as many kills, but chances are you die 3 times as many times...therefor the sniper is more useful to the objective than you are. |
ReGnUM PERFECTION DEI
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Posted - 2012.11.26 16:29:00 -
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Balarius Moonbane wrote:Quote: Snipers are useless... AKA the SCUM of infantry everywhere . What Snipers can do 1. Slay (Kill people)- I can do it better 2. Defend objectives- I can do it better 3. Farm KDR- I can do it better
What Snipers Cannot do 1. Give ammo 2. Provide consistent support 3. Cap objectives 3.Anything useful
After hearing all of these sniper statements I am beginning to that LOGI players are higher then Snipers in infantry Hierarchy You're forgetting one very crucial fact...In Ambush especially, the sniper will have a far better KDR than you will, you may get twice as many kills, but chances are you die 3 times as many times...therefor the sniper is more useful to the objective than you are.
I guess you have never played against/with me if your making such stupid statements
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Kain Spero
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
906
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Posted - 2012.11.26 16:36:00 -
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GIZMO2606 wrote: I personally think that if KDR was removed out of the game, players might not do this as much.
^This^. Personally, I think everyone would be better off if this stat wasn't tracked or at least make it to where it can't be seen by other players. I think you would see people being a lot more bold on the battlefield when the main thing that people look at is your W/L. |
Balarius Moonbane
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.11.26 16:41:00 -
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Quote:I guess you have never played against/with me if your making such stupid statements
I don't need to to know how you play to say the typical 5/1 KDR of a Sniper is more beneficial than the normal 2/1 KDR of a Run and Gun player.
5/1 KDR is +5 your team, +1 Enemy Team for a +4 Net gain for your team
2/1 Is +2 Your team +1 Enemy Team For a +1 Net Gain for your team.
I HIGHLY doubt you are posting a 5/1 KDR on the ground, HIGHLY doubt it.
In Ambush, those "Typical Snipers" you are all Bitching about are worth more to the team than you are.
You can certainly make the argument for Skirmish though. UNLESS those snipers have a birds eye view of the objective locations and are skilled enough to pick off any opponents trying to capture it.
Defending your objectives is just as important as capturing your opponents. |
R33F3R X1
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.11.26 16:51:00 -
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95% of snipers are jokes, positive k/d and negative w/l is a sure sign of a nonteamplayerscrubGäó ;p BUT the snipers i play with do the job right by - painting/spotting Foe's and taking the head off anyone in sight or just suppressing while we flank so yeah i like a good sniper on my team, very effective. |
R33F3R X1
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.11.26 16:54:00 -
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Balarius Moonbane wrote:Quote: Snipers are useless... AKA the SCUM of infantry everywhere . What Snipers can do 1. Slay (Kill people)- I can do it better 2. Defend objectives- I can do it better 3. Farm KDR- I can do it better
What Snipers Cannot do 1. Give ammo 2. Provide consistent support 3. Cap objectives 3.Anything useful
After hearing all of these sniper statements I am beginning to that LOGI players are higher then Snipers in infantry Hierarchy You're forgetting one very crucial fact...In Ambush especially, the sniper will have a far better KDR than you will, you may get twice as many kills, but chances are you die 3 times as many times...therefor the sniper is more useful to the objective than you are.
your forgetting theres no red line in ambush. drive up and melee ftw lol |
ReGnUM PERFECTION DEI
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Posted - 2012.11.26 16:59:00 -
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Balarius Moonbane wrote:Quote:I guess you have never played against/with me if your making such stupid statements
I don't need to to know how you play to say the typical 5/1 KDR of a Sniper is more beneficial than the normal 2/1 KDR of a Run and Gun player. 5/1 KDR is +5 your team, +1 Enemy Team for a +4 Net gain for your team 2/1 Is +2 Your team +1 Enemy Team For a +1 Net Gain for your team. I HIGHLY doubt you are posting a 5/1 KDR on the ground, HIGHLY doubt it. In Ambush, those "Typical Snipers" you are all Bitching about are worth more to the team than you are. You can certainly make the argument for Skirmish though. UNLESS those snipers have a birds eye view of the objective locations and are skilled enough to pick off any opponents trying to capture it. Defending your objectives is just as important as capturing your opponents.
Your right my KDR on the ground is not 5.00 its about 9.00 something
have a nice day tho |
Balarius Moonbane
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.11.26 17:02:00 -
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I highly doubt that sir, no offense. |
Kain Spero
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
906
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Posted - 2012.11.26 18:37:00 -
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Balarius Moonbane wrote:I highly doubt that sir, no offense.
New people sure are a lot of fun.
The are so many intangibles when it comes to fighting on the field is the thing. Someone may very well go 2/1, but if those 2 kills prevent 10+ deaths then there you go. This fact cuts both ways. A really good sniper will take out high priority targets and swing the balance of a fight on the ground. Bad snipers will plink a few heads, but be unable to prevent their blue dots from getting slaughtered on the ground since they end up out numbered in their gunfights due to their teammate camping in the hills AND not doing anything to support the troops.
Snipers are just like any other role. There are good and bad players. I think the big difference is that when a sniper is bad it is, in a lot of ways, worse than being down a man on the field (especially in skirmish). |
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Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1593
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Posted - 2012.11.26 21:03:00 -
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You could do what I do. Sneak in behind them and stab them in the back. It gets better when you master the crossing of the red zone. |
ICECREAMK1NG
WARRIORS 1NC
391
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Posted - 2012.11.26 21:11:00 -
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Balarius Moonbane wrote:I highly doubt that sir, no offense.
God........... Another noob on a fkn sniper rifle. |
BMSTUBBYx
Doomheim
83
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Posted - 2012.11.26 21:19:00 -
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I am a Ninja Scout, running around the battle field real fast capping objectives placing remote explosives with an SMG in my hand. I am not a killing machine however my WP are within the top 3 most games.
Remote explosives are real fun and useful at keeping bad guys from taking back our objectives.
IMO CCP needs to give the snipers something better to do up in those hills other than snipe. Give the snipers some "Scout"tools like Binos to laser target enemy positions and then they can be useful.
I do not blame the person choosing to play as a sniper because it is how they want to play, I do blame CCP by not making them more useful to the team while they sit up in those hills sniping.
Until CCP fixes this issue they should change the name from Scout to Sniper TBH.
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Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2012.11.26 21:24:00 -
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It isn't being lazy to sit on a mountain or something. When you're running around like Sleepy Zan, you spend less time shooting and more time running around and also more time being dead. It's a fun thing to do if you have someone competent to play alongside, but it's hardly the best way to snipe in a public match. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2047
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Posted - 2012.11.27 01:02:00 -
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Alright I never said this is the right way to do it, but it can be incredibly satisfying. I'm just reminding people that there are other options, really the main reason why I use a sniper over something like an AR or a shotgun is that it can deal with a large variety of situations once you work to overcome its limitations.
One thing I have noticed while playing this beta is that another person on the ground can be tremendously more effective then that person being in the mountain away from the conflict. That will probably change when we get much bigger maps of course, but now the sniper on the mountain is really the one relying on his team to get the job done and win the game rather than the other way around. Yes, camping with the sniper is very effective when it comes to defending objectives but right now ,mainly do to the size of the maps I would say, the snipers role is very much overrated. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2047
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Posted - 2012.11.27 01:30:00 -
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BMSTUBBYx wrote:IMO CCP needs to give the snipers something better to do up in those hills other than snipe. Give the snipers some "Scout"tools like Binos to laser target enemy positions and then they can be useful.
Actually when you put your scope over someone the red dot will light up even thought they are out of the reach of your normal scanning range. |
ReGnUM DeCiMaTiON DEI
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Posted - 2012.11.27 07:26:00 -
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ReGnUM PERFECTION DEI wrote:Snipers are useless... AKA the SCUM of infantry everywhere . What Snipers can do 1. Slay (Kill people)- I can do it better 2. Defend objectives- I can do it better 3. Farm KDR- I can do it better
What Snipers Cannot do 1. Give ammo 2. Provide consistent support 3. Cap objectives 3.Anything useful
After hearing all of these sniper statements I am beginning to that LOGI players are higher then Snipers in infantry Hierarchy Pay attention blues |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.11.27 08:00:00 -
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GIZMO2606 wrote:they sit in back and lay in wait till the objective is being taken than take a shot. Sounds useful to me.
Enemy dies, objective doesn't get capped. Sounds like a good start. If they wait until AFTER the point is hacked, then you'd have an argument (and sometimes, they do - either because they suck at positioning or because they deliberately let the point get hacks so teammates can farm points hacking it back - only they usually suck at helping when the team is recapping the point, so it doesn't work. |
R F Gyro
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
315
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Posted - 2012.11.27 16:07:00 -
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BMSTUBBYx wrote:IMO CCP needs to give the snipers something better to do up in those hills other than snipe. Give the snipers some "Scout"tools like Binos to laser target enemy positions and then they can be useful.
Scout in the hills spots and paints the target. Guy on the ground grabs his mass driver and launches in the right general direction. MD round tracks in on the painted target and boom!
Lovin' it.
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Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2047
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Posted - 2012.11.27 16:41:00 -
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fahrenheitM wrote:I love those games where you join half-completed and my team is already redlined. The ones I hate are when Sleepy Zan is already sniping you as you spawn in your own redline. He knows all the forward sniping points, and knows the exact locations that you're gonna spawn. . Actually, I just see the blue light as you materialize and shoot at before you actually spawn in.
CCP should get rid of the delay when spawning in so you can move around right out of the gate. |
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fahrenheitM
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
212
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Posted - 2012.11.27 17:34:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:fahrenheitM wrote:I love those games where you join half-completed and my team is already redlined. The ones I hate are when Sleepy Zan is already sniping you as you spawn in your own redline. He knows all the forward sniping points, and knows the exact locations that you're gonna spawn. . Actually, I just see the blue light as you materialize and shoot at before you actually spawn in. CCP should get rid of the delay when spawning in so you can move around right out of the gate.
Bastard! |
BMSTUBBYx
Doomheim
83
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Posted - 2012.11.27 18:01:00 -
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R F Gyro wrote:BMSTUBBYx wrote:IMO CCP needs to give the snipers something better to do up in those hills other than snipe. Give the snipers some "Scout"tools like Binos to laser target enemy positions and then they can be useful.
Scout in the hills spots and paints the target. Guy on the ground grabs his mass driver and launches in the right general direction. MD round tracks in on the painted target and boom! Lovin' it.
Yep this is the idea or combine the Scout on a hill with the future Mortar like weapons.
Quote: [REQUEST] Mortar-like weapons Update: We have a design that will give the Mass Driver a secondary fire mode that is very similar to a mortar and other designs for "area of effect" weapons as well. For now we are focusing on imporving existing weapons first.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=34744&find=unread
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Re-FLeX
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
152
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Posted - 2012.11.27 22:06:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Get off your damn mountain and come and run and gun on the ground Those objectives don't cap themselves and trust me it's way more fun then sitting up there in your lonely nest all match. This isn't going to be a true fps without the quick-scoping guys, so come and join the few that do. I have seen more people running and gunning with the sniper and I say, "kudos to you." But to everyone else, what is better than to use a sniper to out CQC a shotgun or headshot that annoying protosuit guy face to face. I just see to many people being lazy on mountains and it makes me sad that they decide not to use the sniper to its full potential like they do in other games in other games. So come on down and turn this into a real fps ,bring you friends.
GOML
EDIT: Nevermind i actually charge sniper rifled on the ground last few games.... |
Alucard Fang
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc.
10
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Posted - 2012.11.27 22:20:00 -
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How is quickscoping good sniping? You don't ******* run around with sniper rifles and shoot people. You stay in one spot and move to another. Quickscoping is so STUPID! I can't stand it. Snipers are supposed to be far far away from the main battle accounting for gravity and wind, they don't go to the front lines quickscoping. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2047
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Posted - 2012.11.27 23:15:00 -
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Alucard Fang wrote:How is quickscoping good sniping? You don't ******* run around with sniper rifles and shoot people. You stay in one spot and move to another. Quickscoping is so STUPID! I can't stand it. Snipers are supposed to be far far away from the main battle accounting for gravity and wind, they don't go to the front lines quickscoping. Well, I find quickscoping more fun than running around with a boring old AR, and this is a video game. What were you supposed to do in video games?....
...aww yes that's right, you bring your negativity to the forums afterwards, your doing it correctly
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Alucard Fang
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc.
10
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Posted - 2012.11.28 22:48:00 -
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It isn't fun, it's stupid, an exploit, added into games, only COD really because people want to abuse it. This game isn't a militairy simulator, but it's not some arcade game where you can jump spin around in a circle and quick scope. That's not what sniping is and it's a shame COD has done something like that to sniping. |
GamerEvan77
One-Armed Bandits Orbital Rights
8
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Posted - 2012.11.29 01:20:00 -
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why is there yet another thread on this? we already know! people don't like having a team full of snipers. we get it. and yet, it seems that the team with skilled and properly used snipers win the majority of the time. so, snipers are not as horrible as you people say, at least when they play like a team. another waste of a thread on a topic that is complained about entirely too much. |
Free Beers
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1040
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Posted - 2012.11.29 01:47:00 -
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I just started sniping with my alt and realized how fking easy it is. So easy to double tap someone since sway settles in say spot for second shot. I can run cheap/free gear and drop adv/proto gear pretty easy.
One of the things I realized when sniping is i dont care if we are winnig or losing because I am not actively invovled in the ground game to take or defend objectives.
Normally I just get irriatated with snipers on other teams but since I started sniping i realized that every sniper on my team for the most parrt takes away somone from the ground game. Once you start getting 3/4 of these snipers scrubs on your team it because a disadvantage. I can't tell you how many times i have counted 6+ players on my team just sniping regardless if we are winning or losing.
I get it there are a lot of scrubs witih no gun game out there and they jack off to killing people while camping from the redline and head glitching. My question is do you really thing ccp is going to leave sniping/head glitching/redline camping the way it is.
Get good scrubs |
Naporo Vorrash
Bulldog Mining and Industrial Ltd Rebel Alliance of New Eden
2
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Posted - 2012.11.29 02:52:00 -
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Look people, while I don't aprove hiding in the safe-zone. A sniper's JOB is to hang back and provide support for his squad. That includes taking out targets, calling out positions, and making sure the job gets done. It's abusing the sniper to quick-scope! When a sniper gets in close he's to use his side arm. (I personally prefer an SMG for my side arm.) Keep in mind this is NOT Call of Duty. I'd compare it to Battlefield, and Star Wars Battlefront, it's a strategy game. I do agree it's very annoying when people hide behind the red line, and should definitely stop.
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Balarius Moonbane
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.11.29 03:27:00 -
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God forbid people do what they feel is fun in a VIDEO GAME |
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