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Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.11.26 07:44:00 -
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Get off your damn mountain and come and run and gun on the ground
Those objectives don't cap themselves and trust me it's way more fun then sitting up there in your lonely nest all match. This isn't going to be a true fps without the quick-scoping guys, so come and join the few that do.
I have seen more people running and gunning with the sniper and I say, "kudos to you." But to everyone else, what is better than to use a sniper to out CQC a shotgun or headshot that annoying protosuit guy face to face.
I just see to many people being lazy on mountains and it makes me sad that they decide not to use the sniper to its full potential like they do in other games in other games.
So come on down and turn this into a real fps
,bring you friends. |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2012.11.26 07:47:00 -
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I'm gonna need alcohol after this and it better be bone chilling cold |
Free Beers
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.11.26 07:56:00 -
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scrubs that sit on mountains and snipe are no skill lazy non-team players.
win or lose scrubs will try and pad their kdr on the hills. |
GIZMO2606
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.11.26 08:00:00 -
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Sadly this is a major problem in most "team based" FPS games. I could understand 1 sniper was in back and was actually giving out locations of key targets. Now when a whole team does it because they are getting red lined, why not just leave the game and find another game? Surely you can't find sitting behind the red line that fun, now can you? |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.11.26 08:06:00 -
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GIZMO2606 wrote:Sadly this is a major problem in most "team based" FPS games. I could understand 1 sniper was in back and was actually giving out locations of key targets. Now when a whole team does it because they are getting red lined, why not just leave the game and find another game? Surely you can't find sitting behind the red line that fun, now can you? Which is why more people with snipers need to actually move around and play the game. |
GIZMO2606
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
293
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Posted - 2012.11.26 08:27:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:GIZMO2606 wrote:Sadly this is a major problem in most "team based" FPS games. I could understand 1 sniper was in back and was actually giving out locations of key targets. Now when a whole team does it because they are getting red lined, why not just leave the game and find another game? Surely you can't find sitting behind the red line that fun, now can you? Which is why more people with snipers need to actually move around and play the game.
Yup, hell, got into a game earlier, my whole team was getting redlined so all them switched to sniper loadouts. 2 other PFBHz and myself was the only ones to have a positive KDR and we actually pushed out of the spawn to attempt to get letters. I personally think that if KDR was removed out of the game, players might not do this as much. |
ICECREAMK1NG
WARRIORS 1NC
391
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Posted - 2012.11.26 08:52:00 -
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get rid of the red line and it will solve the problem.
i am sick of these scrubs hiding about as far back as is possoble to go.
i spose developers have to cater for the useless too. |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
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Posted - 2012.11.26 09:06:00 -
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No |
GIZMO2606
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
293
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Posted - 2012.11.26 09:11:00 -
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Personally, CCP should do one of these.
Make the red line something you can't shoot from and get shot in and after some time if you haven't moved from the red line, it'll kick you out of game or kill you. This will force the red lined team to push out.
Or
Make it so that red line isn't there anymore and make it have random spawns of where it use to be. That away it'll give all the players a random chance of making it out of there and if they are getting red line they'll have a slim chance to push out of it. |
petePESTILENCE
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.26 09:25:00 -
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See this is really ignorant, The Dust/eve universe has a class and race that specialize in the sniping department, and in team games i'd expect 1 or 2 snipes in the hills or buildings to support ground troops,.
Run and gun snipers? really? i'd rather use a shotgun.....
and to further my point....I hill snipe, i have a utter **** kill death ratio, i sit around most of the match searching for those kills...and YES i actually enjoy it...
And if i had a headset, you bet your sorry arse i would be giving away your ground troop positions, i see you all running around down there.....
oh, and get rid of red line......i want to be targeted! |
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ICECREAMK1NG
WARRIORS 1NC
391
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Posted - 2012.11.26 09:34:00 -
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All they need to do is have a base you can't shoot into or out of.
Get rid of the red line scrub protector.
If you don't like this idea, then I'm sorry, YOU are a useless scrub. |
Paero
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.11.26 09:46:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:scrubs that sit on mountains and snipe are no skill lazy non-team players.
win or lose scrubs will try and pad their kdr on the hills. In the mountains makes it easy to cover objectives and stop them from being hacked.
I use an SMG as my sidearm, and roll into battle behind the assaults, Then I use my sniper to pick off reinforcements from afar and thin the enemies numbers out before reach the point we are capping, which means less enemies in the firefights with my assaults
Wookies play the game wrong |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2012.11.26 09:48:00 -
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Good sniper staying back is an asset to the team.
Bad sniper farming K/D and providing no real benefit to the team is a waste of space and will probably result in your team losing if the other team doesn't screw up worse. |
petePESTILENCE
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.11.26 09:56:00 -
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Paero wrote:[quote=Free Beers I use an SMG as my sidearm, and roll into battle behind the assaults, Then I use my sniper to pick off reinforcements from afar
I do this also, i love the smggggg xD |
The Black Jackal
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2012.11.26 10:01:00 -
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Plenty of 'good' snipers out there that not only kill key people, but call out hostile movemtns, incoming RDVs, and loads of other information.
It's the ones who do it purely for camping purposes or to pad their KDR that hurt the good sniper's reputations. TSOLE runs dedicated 'Sniper Squads' in some matches.. constantly mobile, scouting, then sniping. then moving along to cover next area.
It's a proven, effective military tactic that, unfortunetly, leads to over-abuse in pretty much every FPS.
Solutions like removing the Red Line, or making it an area you can't shoot into or out of are not bad... but something as simple as providing a greater amount of cover across a map would prevent alot of the kills, or... giving some variety to maps, make twisted, turning urban maps, indoor maps, or best yet... give us destructable enviroments so we can personally take care of those little sniper's nests ourselves! |
dudeytron
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.11.26 10:27:00 -
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I've said it before and I'll say it again - Snipers are the scourge of this game.
Sniper is the only class that I hate as both friend and foe. I get frustrated when I'm shot by a sniper. And I also get frustrated when I see one of my team members as a sniper.
No other class makes me frustrated in both ways.
It annoys me that we still cater for this scrub class - why do we still have them in FPS?
When Dust finally releases, I'd love to see a "No Snipers allowed" game mode. I guarantee it would be full to bursting! |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.11.26 10:35:00 -
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dudeytron wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again - Snipers are the scourge of this game.
Sniper is the only class that I hate as both friend and foe. I get frustrated when I'm shot by a sniper. And I also get frustrated when I see one of my team members as a sniper.
No other class makes me frustrated in both ways.
It annoys me that we still cater for this scrub class - why do we still have them in FPS?
When Dust finally releases, I'd love to see a "No Snipers allowed" game mode. I guarantee it would be full to bursting! There are times when I see a sniper who's bad at their job, and just roll my eyes and wish they were on the other side instead of with my team.
There are also times where a GOOD sniper will save my life, and I'll be glad they had my back. |
dudeytron
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.11.26 10:39:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:dudeytron wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again - Snipers are the scourge of this game.
Sniper is the only class that I hate as both friend and foe. I get frustrated when I'm shot by a sniper. And I also get frustrated when I see one of my team members as a sniper.
No other class makes me frustrated in both ways.
It annoys me that we still cater for this scrub class - why do we still have them in FPS?
When Dust finally releases, I'd love to see a "No Snipers allowed" game mode. I guarantee it would be full to bursting! There are times when I see a sniper who's bad at their job, and just roll my eyes and wish they were on the other side instead of with my team. There are also times where a GOOD sniper will save my life, and I'll be glad they had my back.
I appreciate what you're saying, but consider this - Would you rather that Sniper who got your back, be an Assault or Heavy, standing shoulder to shoulder with you on the ground, capping objectives? I know what my preference would be. I'd trade 5 snipers for 1 heavy any day of the week!! |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2012.11.26 11:36:00 -
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dudeytron wrote:I appreciate what you're saying, but consider this - Would you rather that Sniper who got your back, be an Assault or Heavy, standing shoulder to shoulder with you on the ground, capping objectives? I know what my preference would be. I'd trade 5 snipers for 1 heavy any day of the week!! Honestly, comparing a GOOD sniper vs. 3 semi-competent Heavies, I'd take the sniper.
Five of the usual snipers you see in the game vs. one of the same semi-competent Heavies, I'll take a Heavy. |
R F Gyro
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
315
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Posted - 2012.11.26 12:08:00 -
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This time next year we'll probably be seeing proper, mature, squad configurations & tactics being used regularly.
* Heavy with HMG or Forge, full frontal attack. * Logistics, probably with mass driver, moving up behind the heavy (possibly walking backwards quite a bit to keep an eye on the "6") * Assault with AR out on the flank, killing enemies who are too focussed on the heavy * Stealthy scout with SMG and sniper rifle somewhere near by
Most of the time the scout will be getting surprise close-up kills with the SMG. However, when the squad encounters an enemy sniper he'll switch to the sniper rifle and counter-snipe.
Another "on the ground" sniper tactic might be: you've capped B and are moving to C. The scout is keeping an eye on B, and pops any reds who go for the re-cap.
The "in the hills" sniper will be part of the support squad with the tank driver, dropship pilot and dropship gunner. |
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GIZMO2606
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
293
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Posted - 2012.11.26 12:17:00 -
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One thing is, and I've been playing FPS games for almost 10 years, 9/10 snipers are always useless. The main reason in objective based games, they sit in back and lay in wait till the objective is being taken than take a shot. Those snipers may have good KDR but are rarely usefully for the team. I'd rather take a sniper that moves with the group than a sniper waiting in back. |
Balarius Moonbane
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.26 14:47:00 -
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So what, exactly...Is a sniper in this game supposed to do?
Cant really get into close quarter cause snipers in close quarters fail pretty hardcore in this game.
Mid-long distance snipers will get owned by Tactical Assault Rifle players, simply because aiming is slow and the headshot hit detection is quite low...
Very Long Distance snipers are the only viable snipers in the game at the moment unless you do as was suggested earlier and go in with a SMG as your sidearm. But personally, when i roll a sniper class...I want to snipe.
I can understand your frustration, but come on guys...its just people having fun the way they want to. Just because they arent playing exactly like you play, doesnt make them the *** of the earth and useless piece of crap. |
Gunner Needed
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2012.11.26 14:54:00 -
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GIZMO2606 wrote:One thing is, and I've been playing FPS games for almost 10 years, 9/10 snipers are always useless. The main reason in objective based games, they sit in back and lay in wait till the objective is being taken than take a shot. Those snipers may have good KDR but are rarely usefully for the team. I'd rather take a sniper that moves with the group than a sniper waiting in back.
A sniper that moves with the pack?? thats just silly. you do know what a snipers job is dont you? |
R F Gyro
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
315
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Posted - 2012.11.26 15:01:00 -
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Gunner Needed wrote:A sniper that moves with the pack?? thats just silly. you do know what a snipers job is dont you? You ever watch Saving Private Ryan?
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Sentient Archon
Red Star.
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Posted - 2012.11.26 15:03:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Get off your damn mountain and come and run and gun on the ground Those objectives don't cap themselves and trust me it's way more fun then sitting up there in your lonely nest all match. This isn't going to be a true fps without the quick-scoping guys, so come and join the few that do.
The good ones I dont mind or rather dislike. The ones that go 25-0 are actually doing their jobs. Its the ones that gor 3-0 or 5-0 that really should think about taking up a new profession.
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Cyn Bruin
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.11.26 15:24:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG wrote:All they need to do is have a base you can't shoot into or out of.
Get rid of the red line scrub protector.
If you don't like this idea, then I'm sorry, YOU are a useless scrub.
Does Sniping LAVS in the red line count as useless? |
Balarius Moonbane
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.11.26 15:25:00 -
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All this red line talk makes me want to watch One Piece... |
GIZMO2606
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
293
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Posted - 2012.11.26 15:54:00 -
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Gunner Needed wrote:GIZMO2606 wrote:One thing is, and I've been playing FPS games for almost 10 years, 9/10 snipers are always useless. The main reason in objective based games, they sit in back and lay in wait till the objective is being taken than take a shot. Those snipers may have good KDR but are rarely usefully for the team. I'd rather take a sniper that moves with the group than a sniper waiting in back. A sniper that moves with the pack?? thats just silly. you do know what a snipers job is dont you?
Actually, yes I do, thing is most people mistake real life sniping and video game sniping. If you want I can break it down to you.
Sniping in the real world is like this. Each sniper is assigned a spotter. The spotter is the the eyes and voice of the sniper. He or she listens to the spotter to confirm if the target in the line of sight is in a good alinement and if the settings are far for the shot. Sadly, doing this on a video game doesn't work though since 1, both players would have to be snipers and 2 it leaves your team down 2 members now for objectives.
Now, video game snipers don't work like everyone wants them too, 1 sniper per team is more than enough since his or her job should be spotting targets and giving out locations. Though last time I seen a sniper actually do that was back in Battlefield 1942 and most of the time now I see snipers as nothing but stat padders, people trying to act like a real world sniper, or players trying to do those ******** quick scope head shots.
Now with that done, there are modded rifles in the world, or as others call them DMR. These DMR which one of the most common kind is the M4A1, it is a single shot rifle that fires 1 round as fast as you can pull the trigger. Those snipers are trained to move with the group to provide mid range back up support were other snipers from longer range can't. |
ICECREAMK1NG
WARRIORS 1NC
391
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Posted - 2012.11.26 16:00:00 -
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Cyn Bruin wrote:ICECREAMK1NG wrote:All they need to do is have a base you can't shoot into or out of.
Get rid of the red line scrub protector.
If you don't like this idea, then I'm sorry, YOU are a useless scrub. Does Sniping LAVS in the red line count as useless?
Eh ???
You're sniping LAV's in the red zone ?
You lost me. |
ReGnUM PERFECTION DEI
402
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Posted - 2012.11.26 16:17:00 -
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Balarius Moonbane wrote:So what, exactly...Is a sniper in this game supposed to do?
Cant really get into close quarter cause snipers in close quarters fail pretty hardcore in this game.
Mid-long distance snipers will get owned by Tactical Assault Rifle players, simply because aiming is slow and the headshot hit detection is quite low...
Very Long Distance snipers are the only viable snipers in the game at the moment unless you do as was suggested earlier and go in with a SMG as your sidearm. But personally, when i roll a sniper class...I want to snipe.
I can understand your frustration, but come on guys...its just people having fun the way they want to. Just because they arent playing exactly like you play, doesnt make them the *** of the earth and useless piece of crap.
Snipers are useless... AKA the SCUM of infantry everywhere . What Snipers can do 1. Slay (Kill people)- I can do it better 2. Defend objectives- I can do it better 3. Farm KDR- I can do it better
What Snipers Cannot do 1. Give ammo 2. Provide consistent support 3. Cap objectives 3.Anything useful
After hearing all of these sniper statements I am beginning to that LOGI players are higher then Snipers in infantry Hierarchy |
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