Everyone in this thread who is bitching about vehicles needs to get proto something whether it SWARMS or A FORGE or get some vehicle skills.....please cease the crying.Tanks cost 3.5 million ISK. Please ....you get pissed cuz your running around as a flesh bag and havent even spent a tenth of that......even if you rock all proto assault you wouldnt spend that.

1 side bitches about drop ships but the drop ships take out snipers and bombard tanks....Tanks remove turrets and are area denile weapons Im sorry its called ARMOR for for a reason.Go fuckin play ambush.

people are so 1 dimensional....and egotistical and can believe it when they die .I think whats more sad is there ok kickin the **** out of unorganized newbs while there in a squad of kick ass FPS players and have that crutch...go 25/30 and 0 alot of matches then ***** when they get owned by a tank....Im ok with it....to me its just karma biting me in the ass.Ill end up skilling vehicles at some point and SWARS and FORGE so it really doesnt matter at all.Ill be doing the same **** they are.Give me somthin to shoot for .Those same guys get out of the tank and they get owned there skills are in vehicles...if you want to hide in some Kidnegarten game mode go ahead.

EDIT:oh yeah 1 more thing you ***** about tanks but you dont ***** when someone on your team gets out a tank to kill all the LAV spam ....you know the guys that will be running over you when your running around in your VK01 with your Duvall lol get real.

Not as easy as you'd like to think. A leveled up tank may run 2-3mil isk, but a good driver in it, can go at least a dozen matches before even losing ONE. Pretty cost efficient.

Now you can make the argument "oh, just stop being one-dimensional and use a proto AV weapon" Not that easy. A proto AV along with a complex dmg modifier, will allow you to do 2000-2500 dmg pts, HOWEVER, that leveled up tank we talked about... it can have 8-10,000 HP!!! Even WITH your proto weapon, it can take you 4 shots to drop the tank. Good luck with that! A good driver will have killed you after the first shot. Chances are, the AV trooper will die SEVERAL times, either to the tank, while trying to destroy it... or two other infantry, since he/she is more vulnerable to them while using AV weapons. Realistically, you need at least 3 good AVers to take down a good tanker. Let's compare apples to apples, instead of giving abstract examples of "oh I took down a tank by myself the other day, you just need a proto forge" Chances are, this guys was using a proto forge, against a low-level tank.

BF series may have free vehicles, but it's balanced. Vehicles act as support to what the main game is...an FPS. They can play an important role in a battle, and in the right hands, be a HUGE factor, but if the opponents have one or two good AVers, they can keep them at bay. In Dust, you need 3 AV, just to stand a chance.

I'm not sure what the best way to balance the vehicles with infantry is, but I know right now, it's NOT where it should be. (IMO)

Not as easy as you'd like to think. A leveled up tank may run 2-3mil isk, but a good driver in it, can go at least a dozen matches before even losing ONE. Pretty cost efficient.

Now you can make the argument "oh, just stop being one-dimensional and use a proto AV weapon" Not that easy. A proto AV along with a complex dmg modifier, will allow you to do 2000-2500 dmg pts, HOWEVER, that leveled up tank we talked about... it can have 8-10,000 HP!!! Even WITH your proto weapon, it can take you 4 shots to drop the tank. Good luck with that! A good driver will have killed you after the first shot. Chances are, the AV trooper will die SEVERAL times, either to the tank, while trying to destroy it... or two other infantry, since he/she is more vulnerable to them while using AV weapons. Realistically, you need at least 3 good AVers to take down a good tanker. Let's compare apples to apples, instead of giving abstract examples of "oh I took down a tank by myself the other day, you just need a proto forge" Chances are, this guys was using a proto forge, against a low-level tank.

BF series may have free vehicles, but it's balanced. Vehicles act as support to what the main game is...an FPS. They can play an important role in a battle, and in the right hands, be a HUGE factor, but if the opponents have one or two good AVers, they can keep them at bay. In Dust, you need 3 AV, just to stand a chance.

I'm not sure what the best way to balance the vehicles with infantry is, but I know right now, it's NOT where it should be. (IMO)

Not as easy as you'd like to think. A leveled up tank may run 2-3mil isk, but a good driver in it, can go at least a dozen matches before even losing ONE. Pretty cost efficient.

Now you can make the argument "oh, just stop being one-dimensional and use a proto AV weapon" Not that easy. A proto AV along with a complex dmg modifier, will allow you to do 2000-2500 dmg pts, HOWEVER, that leveled up tank we talked about... it can have 8-10,000 HP!!! Even WITH your proto weapon, it can take you 4 shots to drop the tank. Good luck with that! A good driver will have killed you after the first shot. Chances are, the AV trooper will die SEVERAL times, either to the tank, while trying to destroy it... or two other infantry, since he/she is more vulnerable to them while using AV weapons. Realistically, you need at least 3 good AVers to take down a good tanker. Let's compare apples to apples, instead of giving abstract examples of "oh I took down a tank by myself the other day, you just need a proto forge" Chances are, this guys was using a proto forge, against a low-level tank.

BF series may have free vehicles, but it's balanced. Vehicles act as support to what the main game is...an FPS. They can play an important role in a battle, and in the right hands, be a HUGE factor, but if the opponents have one or two good AVers, they can keep them at bay. In Dust, you need 3 AV, just to stand a chance.

I'm not sure what the best way to balance the vehicles with infantry is, but I know right now, it's NOT where it should be. (IMO)

Like it or not but most people play FPS games for the on foot shooting. The few games that use vehicles make it so they can be taken out easily or can't control the battlefield. You don't see game makers making games called FVS (first vehicle shooters) simply because the market for those type of games is so much smaller than FPS. I've been playing this beta for a while and enjoy the game but if they make Dust a FVS it won't have a big enough player base to succeed free or not.

A tank driver will put in 4 million skill points be fore its all said and done for PROTO everything.Some guy bitching that his Assault only character cant compete with that is quite frankly....nonsense.The COST is the MECHANIC.

Knightshade Belladonna]
And what you think it takes 500 skillpoints to max and proto everything for an assault or forge guy?


edit* how the fk did our quotes get all fkd

Did you read the title???
"Tourney was a testiment to what I've always said."

Funny...I read one side arguing about folks being one-dimensional then turn around and say no to wps because they're afraid of going up against other infantry because they specced into vehicles only lol.

Anyway...wps wasn't my idea, I just liked the idea. Is it a fair one?...maybe not. So, they can scratch it off the board. But it's rather funny how vehicle operators are worried about being in a fight with infantry because they haven't leveled any of those skills. Well, what about infantry? Infantry has to level up their skills to survive ground combat and AV. Not to mention, you can't really be both. You have a swarm launcher or an AR. A forge or an HMG.

If CCP allowed infantry to use an AR with an effective AV weapon in the same dropsuit....then that may just be enough. There's no reason why we can't strap a rocket launcher onto the back of our dropsuits. We can do it in others and this is a space game with future tech, right?

Any estimates on what today's 4 battles cost both sides? Today we saw 4 battles, but it will take something like 12 to take a planet, and we had no OB today. So say a minimum of 3X today's layout for planetary capture. It will give us a feeling for what break-even will be for district battles.

Also not factored in today was cost of the MCC, cost of clones, cost of ammo.

We mercs are definitely going to be negotiating Contracts as Payroll + expenses.

Vehicles were spammed like mother *******, 2-3 infantry and the other 12 people in vehicles, yeah, real fun game CCP.

I won't say much more as I'm hoping you implement a no vehicle game-mode.

The Battlefield series is on what number now?And there coming out with a fourth for console...and how many copies combined would you say that was?How long has that franchise been going?Do you play EVE?A vehicle game........huh what?

You're talking about an organized corp match where you have guys pre-selected into certain fits with certain jobs to do for the entire game. We are talking about regular random pub matches, in which most games are played.

I bet over half of the people that play battlefield play it for the ground gun game, not vehicles. Also unlike Dust most BF players can blow of vehicles while still being ground assualt guys. So all in all vehicles don't run BF since they can be handled and don't control the whole battle.

I was going to mention BF in my original post but I kind of figured some people would be smart enough to realize that most people do play BF for the gun game, yeah it does appeal to the small amount with vehicles but it doesn't spam vehicles and it doesn't make the vehicles win the matches. Dust can and should use vehicles but need to find a better balance than they have.

I sigh at you even mentioning EVE. Is EVE on ps3 huh? Next you are going to say something about Halo being on Ps3.

What happened on BF3 when they introduced CQB? Nobody played it...

Vehicles are here to stay. Get used to the fact. This game is not BF3 or BO2 or MW3. This is Dust514. A game that is trying to be different.

Don't know if I can speak for everyone that participated in last nights finals. Vehicles made that game awesome. Going against well versed vehicle players was a blast.

You really feel like death is around every corner.

I had really hoped that because it was The Imperfects vs SI. That for 1 Monday there would be no complaining on the forums about vehicles.

Edit: The finals were not only vehicle spam. It was a part of the warfare. Clones were getting dropped by all sorts of weapons.

There are no competitive shooters where vehicles are more important than infantry.
DUST will fail.

There are no competitive shooters where vehicles are more important than infantry.
DUST will fail.

I like the idea of it, havn't heard anything from devs about something like that.. but I like it. Not as much as needed for an OB, but some wp so it cant be initially dropped right from start.

like

LAV - No cost
Dropship - 200 wp
HAV - 350 wp
Gunship/jet ( if it happens) - 500 wp

Vehicles were spammed like mother *******, 2-3 infantry and the other 12 people in vehicles, yeah, real fun game CCP.

I won't say much more as I'm hoping you implement a no vehicle game-mode.

More players means more vehicles.

DUST will have gladiator arenas for eSports play
the modes we are playin now suppose to more represent war skirmishes than eSports competitive matches

Vehicles are here to stay. Get used to the fact. This game is not BF3 or BO2 or MW3. This is Dust514. A game that is trying to be different.

Don't know if I can speak for everyone that participated in last nights finals. Vehicles made that game awesome. Going against well versed vehicle players was a blast.

You really feel like death is around every corner.

I had really hoped that because it was The Imperfects vs SI. That for 1 Monday there would be no complaining on the forums about vehicles.

Edit: The finals were not only vehicle spam. It was a part of the warfare. Clones were getting dropped by all sorts of weapons.