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Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2012.11.11 23:32:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:They just need to up it to 32vs32.
Will just mean more vehicle spam, tbh.
Wps needed to call in a vehicle is a good idea. |
Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2012.11.12 00:25:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Regis Mk V wrote:The dark cloud wrote:foolish boys. The final was a very hard played match including vehicle spam on both sides. And thats how this game is supposed to be played. Well then the game will fail on that alone. Nobody plays FPS's just to sit in vehicles all game. If they can't balance the game for infantry players which would make up the majority of the game then good luck with retaining players... I highly doubt that nobody isnt a precise description. I see plenty off tanks, LAV'S and dropships on the field.
You see them because players are being forced to put down their guns and pick up vehicles because the vehicles are tearing everyone down. The counters aren't as effective by yourself unless you have a forge gun. Either way, you still have to put your AR or HMG down to concentrate on taking the vehicle out.
In other vehicle games, you have effective AV weapons in the loadout. So, you don't have to die so you can take out the vehicle and then die again to go back to your handheld weapon. |
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Posted - 2012.11.12 00:32:00 -
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Tyrus 4 wrote:Regis Mk V wrote:The dark cloud wrote:foolish boys. The final was a very hard played match including vehicle spam on both sides. And thats how this game is supposed to be played. Well then the game will fail on that alone. Nobody plays FPS's just to sit in vehicles all game. If they can't balance the game for infantry players which would make up the majority of the game then good luck with retaining players... Vehicles are a part of the game. period. people need to HTFU about it, or go back to playing their vehicle-less GUNGAME(tm) shooters. and this is coming from someone who doesn't even have a vehicle fit beyond the starter one. there are vehicles, and there are anti-vehicle measures. and more anti-vehicle measures to come. just because Anti-Vehicle measures are beneath the Elite GUNGAME(tm) and thus people refuse to use them and continue to die to tanks, doesn't mean that vehicles should be done away with. people seem to think that if they can hold down R1 while strafing their sights over someone that they should never die to anything. and for the OP, if you think that CCP will put a non-vehicle playmode in anything other than High-Sec, I've got an unpopulated planet in Jita to sell you.
You can tell people to deal with it...but regis has a point. People play FPSs to shoot. You can tell people to deal with it but there may be only a few people "dealing with it", leading to a failure of the game.
Noone is totally against having vehicles....look at the Battlefield series. It is a series heavy on vehicles. But people don't mind because there are effective counters and you don't have to be all AV or bust. You can use your AR and carry C4, stingers, rockets, etc. In dust you either have your swarm launcher or your forge. And don't talk about sidearms with ARs gunning you down at distances. |
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Posted - 2012.11.12 00:34:00 -
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Christ0pher Blair wrote:Tyrus 4 wrote: Vehicles are a part of the game. period.
^ PART of the game is key here. Allow the game to abuse vehicles and you alienate a large portion of your player base. Take them out and you do the same. They should be part of the game, but not focused on it. Balance is something BETA doesn't currently portray, and might be hard to implement given the circumstance. However, if these 'high level' matches are representative of a large portion of the final release's game play then this game will hardly be an MMO with a large 5+ year active player base (IMO). Honestly, these posts** are sad and cater to both extremes of the scale. **e.g. : Remove vehicles; stop whining and LTP its all fine; etc
+1 exactly |
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Posted - 2012.11.12 00:42:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:They just need to up it to 32vs32. Will just mean more vehicle spam, tbh. Wps needed to call in a vehicle is a good idea. That's a ******* awful idea. How about, EVERYONE has to use Militia Assault Rifles and then can only upgrade once they've got a certain amount of WPs in a match (So, Militia, then say 200 WP for next weapon, then another 200 WP for another). Sounds good right? By making it so only players with WP in a match are allowed to use a Vehicle, you effectively destroy any attempt at making a solely vehicle character. If you hadn't noticed, many skills now have "Infantry" in front of them, which means that you will have to choose which role you want to go into until much later in the game, which means if this WP system was in place, Vehicle players (Who will have put all their SP into vehicles) will be nowhere near as good as Infantry only players, which means they'll rarely get to use the vehicles that are costing them 10x what your suits are costing you.
So then what about the infantry players who can't even make it 50m because of the tank and dropship spamming missiles everywhere? The reason for the wps is because vehicles are devastating on the battlefield in pub matches. Just like an orbital strike is.....someone gets in a dropship and that's exactly what they're doing.
Its the reason why you have to earn the OB and isn't simply something that you can buy with ISK. This is a shooter but it has become more about vehicles than anything else. |
Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2012.11.12 00:49:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Tyrus 4 wrote:Regis Mk V wrote:The dark cloud wrote:foolish boys. The final was a very hard played match including vehicle spam on both sides. And thats how this game is supposed to be played. Well then the game will fail on that alone. Nobody plays FPS's just to sit in vehicles all game. If they can't balance the game for infantry players which would make up the majority of the game then good luck with retaining players... Vehicles are a part of the game. period. people need to HTFU about it, or go back to playing their vehicle-less GUNGAME(tm) shooters. and this is coming from someone who doesn't even have a vehicle fit beyond the starter one. there are vehicles, and there are anti-vehicle measures. and more anti-vehicle measures to come. just because Anti-Vehicle measures are beneath the Elite GUNGAME(tm) and thus people refuse to use them and continue to die to tanks, doesn't mean that vehicles should be done away with. people seem to think that if they can hold down R1 while strafing their sights over someone that they should never die to anything. and for the OP, if you think that CCP will put a non-vehicle playmode in anything other than High-Sec, I've got an unpopulated planet in Jita to sell you. You can tell people to deal with it...but regis has a point. People play FPSs to shoot. You can tell people to deal with it but there may be only a few people "dealing with it", leading to a failure of the game. Noone is totally against having vehicles....look at the Battlefield series. It is a series heavy on vehicles. But people don't mind because there are effective counters and you don't have to be all AV or bust. You can use your AR and carry C4, stingers, rockets, etc. In dust you either have your swarm launcher or your forge. And don't talk about sidearms with ARs gunning you down at distances. Thing is, BF Vehicles are weak, but don't cost anything to use. Grab it from the spawn and go. Half you guys believe Vehicles should be easy to take down, but at the current price, that's totally unreasonable. If a good tank didn't cost a million ISK atleast and instead was a lot cheaper, then sure we could make them weaker, but they're expensive pieces of equipment. To top of it off, the majority of people that dislike vehicles are people who've not specced into AV. I'm mostly Vehicles, but I have ok Infantry skills and I've actually used points for AV, it's not that hard to pop vehicles solo either.
What does it matter how much the vehicle cost when people are bringing them out like water? Not to mention, the future ISK EVE transfers. Listen, you think protoype weapons and dropsuits are cheap? It is in no comparison to a sargaris but what if I used a proto AR dropsuit with some proto modules, some advanced, etc. I could easily build a suit close to $200K. If I die once with that suit @ these current ISK rewards, I may have lost money already. I could go advanced for the rest of the match and be in the red easy.
Yet, infantry dies as easy as anything. Our suits' health (hp) don't increase as you go higher. Just more slots. |
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Posted - 2012.11.12 00:50:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:The dark cloud wrote:foolish boys. The final was a very hard played match including vehicle spam on both sides. And thats how this game is supposed to be played. let's hope that's what the winner does against CCP- spam the most OP things they can find. Maybe then they'll do something about it.
Sooooooo this |
Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2012.11.12 01:14:00 -
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Caeli SineDeo wrote:At most times Imp had 5 guys in vehicles. The other 10 where infantry with either AV fits or set up going against other infantry.
So no tourney was not won by a spam of vehicles. Yes Vehicle users kept there vehicles up at all times but that was it.
So get of this high horse of vehicles destroying gameplay i think everyone can agree on corp v corp matches this adds to the excitement It adds to multi lvl planing for corps. And yes to keep vehicles up and running it cost corps tons of isk. So yes you need to be good to afford running vehicles.
Having good vehicle users does not make you automatically win the game. They are just a important assest. Yes a none vehicle team will get ran over by a team that supports decent vehicle users. But if that tank does not have ground support he is toast.
So no the tourney is not a testament to what you said because the 1st place corp did not spam vehicles.
Unless you count the 3 vehicle users that called in vehicles to replace the ones they loss.
You're talking about an organized corp match where you have guys pre-selected into certain fits with certain jobs to do for the entire game. We are talking about regular random pub matches, in which most games are played. |
Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2012.11.12 03:09:00 -
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Caeli SineDeo wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Caeli SineDeo wrote:At most times Imp had 5 guys in vehicles. The other 10 where infantry with either AV fits or set up going against other infantry.
So no tourney was not won by a spam of vehicles. Yes Vehicle users kept there vehicles up at all times but that was it.
So get of this high horse of vehicles destroying gameplay i think everyone can agree on corp v corp matches this adds to the excitement It adds to multi lvl planing for corps. And yes to keep vehicles up and running it cost corps tons of isk. So yes you need to be good to afford running vehicles.
Having good vehicle users does not make you automatically win the game. They are just a important assest. Yes a none vehicle team will get ran over by a team that supports decent vehicle users. But if that tank does not have ground support he is toast.
So no the tourney is not a testament to what you said because the 1st place corp did not spam vehicles.
Unless you count the 3 vehicle users that called in vehicles to replace the ones they loss.
You're talking about an organized corp match where you have guys pre-selected into certain fits with certain jobs to do for the entire game. We are talking about regular random pub matches, in which most games are played. Did you read the title??? "Tourney was a testiment to what I've always said."
Apologies...got involved with tank situation. Forgot which thread that I was in |
Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2012.11.12 03:22:00 -
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Funny...I read one side arguing about folks being one-dimensional then turn around and say no to wps because they're afraid of going up against other infantry because they specced into vehicles only lol.
Anyway...wps wasn't my idea, I just liked the idea. Is it a fair one?...maybe not. So, they can scratch it off the board. But it's rather funny how vehicle operators are worried about being in a fight with infantry because they haven't leveled any of those skills. Well, what about infantry? Infantry has to level up their skills to survive ground combat and AV. Not to mention, you can't really be both. You have a swarm launcher or an AR. A forge or an HMG.
If CCP allowed infantry to use an AR with an effective AV weapon in the same dropsuit....then that may just be enough. There's no reason why we can't strap a rocket launcher onto the back of our dropsuits. We can do it in others and this is a space game with future tech, right? |
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