whiners gonna whine

I highly doubt that nobody isnt a precise description. I see plenty off tanks, LAV'S and dropships on the field.

Vehicles are a part of the game. period.

Vehicles are a part of the game. period.

people need to HTFU about it, or go back to playing their vehicle-less GUNGAME(tm) shooters.

and this is coming from someone who doesn't even have a vehicle fit beyond the starter one.

there are vehicles, and there are anti-vehicle measures. and more anti-vehicle measures to come. just because Anti-Vehicle measures are beneath the Elite GUNGAME(tm) and thus people refuse to use them and continue to die to tanks, doesn't mean that vehicles should be done away with.

people seem to think that if they can hold down R1 while strafing their sights over someone that they should never die to anything.

and for the OP, if you think that CCP will put a non-vehicle playmode in anything other than High-Sec, I've got an unpopulated planet in Jita to sell you.

^ PART of the game is key here. Allow the game to abuse vehicles and you alienate a large portion of your player base. Take them out and you do the same. They should be part of the game, but not focused on it. Balance is something BETA doesn't currently portray, and might be hard to implement given the circumstance. However, if these 'high level' matches are representative of a large portion of the final release's game play then this game will hardly be an MMO with a large 5+ year active player base (IMO).


Honestly, these posts** are sad and cater to both extremes of the scale.

**e.g. : Remove vehicles; stop whining and LTP its all fine; etc

get vehicle game scrub.

You can tell people to deal with it...but regis has a point. People play FPSs to shoot. You can tell people to deal with it but there may be only a few people "dealing with it", leading to a failure of the game.

Noone is totally against having vehicles....look at the Battlefield series. It is a series heavy on vehicles. But people don't mind because there are effective counters and you don't have to be all AV or bust. You can use your AR and carry C4, stingers, rockets, etc. In dust you either have your swarm launcher or your forge. And don't talk about sidearms with ARs gunning you down at distances.

That's a ******* awful idea. How about, EVERYONE has to use Militia Assault Rifles and then can only upgrade once they've got a certain amount of WPs in a match (So, Militia, then say 200 WP for next weapon, then another 200 WP for another). Sounds good right?

By making it so only players with WP in a match are allowed to use a Vehicle, you effectively destroy any attempt at making a solely vehicle character. If you hadn't noticed, many skills now have "Infantry" in front of them, which means that you will have to choose which role you want to go into until much later in the game, which means if this WP system was in place, Vehicle players (Who will have put all their SP into vehicles) will be nowhere near as good as Infantry only players, which means they'll rarely get to use the vehicles that are costing them 10x what your suits are costing you.

So then what about the infantry players who can't even make it 50m because of the tank and dropship spamming missiles everywhere? The reason for the wps is because vehicles are devastating on the battlefield in pub matches. Just like an orbital strike is.....someone gets in a dropship and that's exactly what they're doing.

Its the reason why you have to earn the OB and isn't simply something that you can buy with ISK. This is a shooter but it has become more about vehicles than anything else.

Missiles

foolish boys. The final was a very hard played match including vehicle spam on both sides. And thats how this game is supposed to be played.

Thing is, BF Vehicles are weak, but don't cost anything to use. Grab it from the spawn and go.
Half you guys believe Vehicles should be easy to take down, but at the current price, that's totally unreasonable. If a good tank didn't cost a million ISK atleast and instead was a lot cheaper, then sure we could make them weaker, but they're expensive pieces of equipment. To top of it off, the majority of people that dislike vehicles are people who've not specced into AV. I'm mostly Vehicles, but I have ok Infantry skills and I've actually used points for AV, it's not that hard to pop vehicles solo either.

let's hope that's what the winner does against CCP- spam the most OP things they can find. Maybe then they'll do something about it.

What does it matter how much the vehicle cost when people are bringing them out like water? Not to mention, the future ISK EVE transfers. Listen, you think protoype weapons and dropsuits are cheap? It is in no comparison to a sargaris but what if I used a proto AR dropsuit with some proto modules, some advanced, etc. I could easily build a suit close to $200K. If I die once with that suit @ these current ISK rewards, I may have lost money already. I could go advanced for the rest of the match and be in the red easy.

Yet, infantry dies as easy as anything. Our suits' health (hp) don't increase as you go higher. Just more slots.

There has also been talk to vehicle deployment being based on squad WP. Any corroboration on this?

So you can build a dropsuit which costs 200k for protogear? Isn't a Black Ops Tank (Pretty much Proto Tank right?) something like 2 mil for the tank alone? Then we include all the module to make it actually useful, which will bring us close to 2.5mil or so for the Tank (I'm pretty sure it's more than that actually), at that cost, you'll need to die about 12 times to be worth what that tank is. Now remember that this Tank will still pop to a good group of Forge Gunners. Still seems pretty balanced. As I said, Missiles are Broken, Tanks themselves are UP.

That's a ******* awful idea. How about, EVERYONE has to use Militia Assault Rifles and then can only upgrade once they've got a certain amount of WPs in a match (So, Militia, then say 200 WP for next weapon, then another 200 WP for another). Sounds good right?

By making it so only players with WP in a match are allowed to use a Vehicle, you effectively destroy any attempt at making a solely vehicle character. If you hadn't noticed, many skills now have "Infantry" in front of them, which means that you will have to choose which role you want to go into until much later in the game, which means if this WP system was in place, Vehicle players (Who will have put all their SP into vehicles) will be nowhere near as good as Infantry only players, which means they'll rarely get to use the vehicles that are costing them 10x what your suits are costing you.

It can be based off squad WP then, will it really kill you to stay in militia AR or sniper starter you have selected for a min or 2 before jumping into tank? It will cut down alot of the initial vehicle spam that imediatly decides most matches

At most times Imp had 5 guys in vehicles. The other 10 where infantry with either AV fits or set up going against other infantry.

So no tourney was not won by a spam of vehicles. Yes Vehicle users kept there vehicles up at all times but that was it.


So get of this high horse of vehicles destroying gameplay i think everyone can agree on corp v corp matches this adds to the excitement It adds to multi lvl planing for corps. And yes to keep vehicles up and running it cost corps tons of isk. So yes you need to be good to afford running vehicles.

Having good vehicle users does not make you automatically win the game. They are just a important assest. Yes a none vehicle team will get ran over by a team that supports decent vehicle users. But if that tank does not have ground support he is toast.

So no the tourney is not a testament to what you said because the 1st place corp did not spam vehicles.

Unless you count the 3 vehicle users that called in vehicles to replace the ones they loss.

Not if they keep current vehicle cap with a 32 v 32, if we ever went 64 v 64 like ccp claims will be , then ofc there is need for a higher cap. but 5 tanks per side for a 32 v 32 is plenty, that's 15 people right there per side using tank/dropship

And for those who think " but I specced into tanks and now somene with lesser skills can call one in before me so I can't do anything until he gets blown up" learn to use other stuff aswell. Tanks should not be a neccessary thing for every battle and have to be called in right from the start. Which is why i'm fond of the wp required to deploy idea, you will have to fight on the ground with a suit, earn a few points and escalate the battle.. then call in a tank if you feel it's needed. Not just call in a tank immediatly at start of a battle just because you can.

You're talking about an organized corp match where you have guys pre-selected into certain fits with certain jobs to do for the entire game. We are talking about regular random pub matches, in which most games are played.

Stupidity

Ignorance ^

Vehicles were spammed like mother *******, 2-3 infantry and the other 12 people in vehicles, yeah, real fun game CCP.

I won't say much more as I'm hoping you implement a no vehicle game-mode.

Not sure how you are able to talk like you were in the tournament... NPC corps weren't let in. :P