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HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.11.02 03:08:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:Ba hahahahahahaaha this has got be the funniest thread yet!
Waaaaaa let's get rid of free lavs cause they take out my proto suit. Hahahahahahahaha.
Seriously though how is my fatty supposed to get around?
The only change we need is some noise so its not so sneaky.
Imagine if suits didn't get crushed and you got booted like a kickball.
I actually don't have a proto suit. BTW i dropped that strike on you earlier on purpose.
Yes I figured as much.
I was the only one in a big open area there had to be better targets
Believe me running you over is harder than you know. |
xprotoman23
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1452
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Posted - 2012.11.02 03:09:00 -
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LAV's shouldn't be free. Militia dropsuits aren't even free. |
Christ0pher Blair
Deep Space Republic
34
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Posted - 2012.11.02 03:09:00 -
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I don't support taking away a free option for a vehicle, mobile transportation (with a really -kitten- turret).
I do support tweaking its functions.
However, you cannot sufficiently and consistently sustain running people over in a paper mache toy car. Therefor there shouldn't be an issue with continuous multiple deaths from being run over. There also shouldn't be a 100% full proof way not to die by getting hit, it puts you in a position of immortality..and that's just as game breaking.*
*I could elaborate on this.. but meh. |
DarkShadowFox
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
238
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Posted - 2012.11.02 03:13:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:DarkShadowFox wrote:I think everyone would be so much less frustrated if CCP just raised the amount of money we gained per match again.. -.- I actually think the amount we make now is enough.
yeah cause you can cheat and just get backed by eve or another corp...
its not enough, I play with no backing no help and I know its not enough. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2047
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Posted - 2012.11.02 03:20:00 -
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DarkShadowFox wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:DarkShadowFox wrote:I think everyone would be so much less frustrated if CCP just raised the amount of money we gained per match again.. -.- I actually think the amount we make now is enough. yeah cause you can cheat and just get backed by eve or another corp... its not enough, I play with no backing no help and I know its not enough. So do I. I've never used EVE money and always used my own.
Besides EVE can't transfer money anymore and everyone's wallets have been reset. I find the amount we make right now is enough to reimburse our lost gear and easily make a profit. |
xprotoman23
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1452
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Posted - 2012.11.02 03:26:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:DarkShadowFox wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:DarkShadowFox wrote:I think everyone would be so much less frustrated if CCP just raised the amount of money we gained per match again.. -.- I actually think the amount we make now is enough. yeah cause you can cheat and just get backed by eve or another corp... its not enough, I play with no backing no help and I know its not enough. So do I. I've never used EVE money and always used my own. Besides EVE can't transfer money anymore and everyone's wallets have been reset. I find the amount we make right now is enough to reimburse our lost gear and easily make a profit.
Sitting on 5 million ISK right now juss chillen People that are broke obviously don't know what they're doing. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.11.02 03:47:00 -
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Why are all imperfects so bigheaded? Only because they seperated from betamax they think they are all pro. Honestly i think ROFL house would win against them. Simply due to the fact that they gained by far the most WP so far in the tourny and close behind that is SI. The imperfects even merged with a other corp cause they are too weak to stand a chance on their own. Oh and i know the biggest and fatal flaw of every imperfect: FPS gamer rage. As soon that kicks in they loose controll, insult their own team and then ragequit. This goes espacially for the zitro's. Any kind of explosive or in their opinion cheap death= RAGE. I expect them to not wining the tourny for another reason and that is they are scared to loose their holy "stats". |
Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
460
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Posted - 2012.11.02 03:50:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Why are all imperfects so bigheaded? Only because they seperated from betamax they think they are all pro. Honestly i think ROFL house would win against them. Simply due to the fact that they gained by far the most WP so far in the tourny and close behind that is SI. The imperfects even merged with a other corp cause they are too weak to stand a chance on their own. Oh and i know the biggest and fatal flaw of every imperfect: FPS gamer rage. As soon that kicks in they loose controll, insult their own team and then ragequit. This goes espacially for the zitro's. Any kind of explosive or in their opinion cheap death= RAGE. I expect them to not wining the tourny for another reason and that is they are scared to loose their holy "stats".
welcome to the FPS community.
i'm just waiting to park my dread in space and show them what true firepower is |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2047
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Posted - 2012.11.02 03:55:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Why are all imperfects so bigheaded? Only because they seperated from betamax they think they are all pro. Honestly i think ROFL house would win against them. Simply due to the fact that they gained by far the most WP so far in the tourny and close behind that is SI. The imperfects even merged with a other corp cause they are too weak to stand a chance on their own. Oh and i know the biggest and fatal flaw of every imperfect: FPS gamer rage. As soon that kicks in they loose controll, insult their own team and then ragequit. This goes espacially for the zitro's. Any kind of explosive or in their opinion cheap death= RAGE. I expect them to not wining the tourny for another reason and that is they are scared to loose their holy "stats". Awww... love the ignorant post
Not to mention you left betamax as well and are pretty "bigheaded" yourself. |
Tyrus Four
128
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Posted - 2012.11.02 04:35:00 -
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I agree with getting rid of the free LAV. but thats only cause I really don't have much use for it other than getting from the MCC to a control point.
give us ATVs with no weapons on them, or something of that sort. maybe a Hoverbike.
Never been much to use vehicles, but it'd be nice just to have a personal transport to get around with. in Planetside, there was a ATV. it had no weapons, very, very little armor. But it was useful for getting from battle to battle, and if you wore a Infiltrator suit, the ATV cloaked with you. |
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D3aTH D3alER54
The Southern Legion
130
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Posted - 2012.11.02 04:39:00 -
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Tyrus Four wrote:I agree with getting rid of the free LAV. but thats only cause I really don't have much use for it other than getting from the MCC to a control point.
give us ATVs with no weapons on them, or something of that sort. maybe a Hoverbike.
Never been much to use vehicles, but it'd be nice just to have a personal transport to get around with. in Planetside, there was a ATV. it had no weapons, very, very little armor. But it was useful for getting from battle to battle, and if you wore a Infiltrator suit, the ATV cloaked with you.
I can see people complaining about that too. |
Tyrus Four
128
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Posted - 2012.11.02 04:43:00 -
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Necrodermis wrote:
welcome to the FPS community.
i'm just waiting to park my dread in space and show them what true firepower is
Knowing how EVE and the EVE Universe is, I'm quite sure that the MAG fps GUNGAME(tm) contingent is going to be in for a pretty rude awakening once the game is closer to release, and especially when it is live and EVE is fully integrated.
They are big fish in a small Beta pond, at the moment. |
D3aTH D3alER54
The Southern Legion
130
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Posted - 2012.11.02 05:11:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:DarkShadowFox wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:DarkShadowFox wrote:I think everyone would be so much less frustrated if CCP just raised the amount of money we gained per match again.. -.- I actually think the amount we make now is enough. yeah cause you can cheat and just get backed by eve or another corp... its not enough, I play with no backing no help and I know its not enough. So do I. I've never used EVE money and always used my own. Besides EVE can't transfer money anymore and everyone's wallets have been reset. I find the amount we make right now is enough to reimburse our lost gear and easily make a profit. Sitting on 5 million ISK right now juss chillen People that are broke obviously don't know what they're doing.
I have to agree with you on that, but that's the whole problem isn't it? Nobody knows what they are doing.. I'm baffled how people can't even get off militia suits, but i guess with guys like you or me how can they? It will be a slaughter fest when this game gets released. |
D3aTH D3alER54
The Southern Legion
130
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Posted - 2012.11.02 05:17:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:Ba hahahahahahaaha this has got be the funniest thread yet!
Waaaaaa let's get rid of free lavs cause they take out my proto suit. Hahahahahahahaha.
Seriously though how is my fatty supposed to get around?
The only change we need is some noise so its not so sneaky.
Imagine if suits didn't get crushed and you got booted like a kickball.
Yeah that's another bug too, if you switch seats fast enough in a LAV the noise is GONE, totaly stealth =) |
Reimus Klinsman
BetaMax.
319
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Posted - 2012.11.02 05:37:00 -
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Get rid of free LAVs _or_ allow only one per person per match _or_ Add a bumper on the front so they can't be used to mow down people... effectively making it a vehicle for getting from point a to point b unless you have a gunner. |
Cyn Bruin
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
651
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Posted - 2012.11.02 13:09:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:The dark cloud wrote:Why are all imperfects so bigheaded? Only because they seperated from betamax they think they are all pro. Honestly i think ROFL house would win against them. Simply due to the fact that they gained by far the most WP so far in the tourny and close behind that is SI. The imperfects even merged with a other corp cause they are too weak to stand a chance on their own. Oh and i know the biggest and fatal flaw of every imperfect: FPS gamer rage. As soon that kicks in they loose controll, insult their own team and then ragequit. This goes espacially for the zitro's. Any kind of explosive or in their opinion cheap death= RAGE. I expect them to not wining the tourny for another reason and that is they are scared to loose their holy "stats". Awww... love the ignorant post Not to mention you left betamax as well and are pretty "bigheaded" yourself.
Agreed, how did this become about our Corp? The title states Free LAVs. In your new role as PR is this how you plan to reach out for diplomatic relations to the community? I grouped with you in Betamax, you have alot in common with rage quitters.
On Subject:
Every other vehicle requires you to put SOME SP into them before becoming viable, I don't see why we even have to talk about this CCP. If your going to give free LAVs out, might as well go back to free militia tanks and dropships, that went over real well.
Vehicles 1, LAV 1 should be a minimum requirement to call in an LAV. If you have a BPO for it great, still needs skill reqs. on it. |
Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
914
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Posted - 2012.11.02 13:14:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:Tony Calif wrote:LoL Scrubs. Get AV or gtfo. Keep the free LAV. I'm sorry but free LAV's have always taken away from gameplay. If you want to use a vehicle you should have to pay for it or buy a BPO. It makes absolutely no sense that kids can spam free LAV's when they have to pay for their dropsuits.
It also doesn't make sense that you can call a tank on a building and shoot into the red zone keeping anything from moving out, but you did that. Hmmm.
Tony is right. Keep the free LAV's. |
xprotoman23
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1452
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Posted - 2012.11.02 13:55:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:xprotoman23 wrote:Tony Calif wrote:LoL Scrubs. Get AV or gtfo. Keep the free LAV. I'm sorry but free LAV's have always taken away from gameplay. If you want to use a vehicle you should have to pay for it or buy a BPO. It makes absolutely no sense that kids can spam free LAV's when they have to pay for their dropsuits. It also doesn't make sense that you can call a tank on a building and shoot into the red zone keeping anything from moving out, but you did that. Hmmm. Tony is right. Keep the free LAV's.
Somebody that's butthurt because I denied them a spawn point using a Militia Sica with a blaster on it. Seriously if You can't take out a militia Sica sitting on top of a building begging to get shot down you might as well quit playing the game.
Anyways thats besides the point. Nothing in this game should be "free" unless you buy the BPO using AUR as stated in the OP. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.11.02 14:04:00 -
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Still waiting to hear how they detract from gameplay. All I see so far is " scrubs shouldn't play" and "you should pay AUR for BPO". Not really seeing a reason why.
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KingBabar
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
442
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Posted - 2012.11.02 14:46:00 -
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The only real issue for me is the low radar profile and the low engone sound of the LAVs. If they were more visible on the minimap and made some noise I could actually jump aside before getting rammed in the rear.
We need free LAVs or something similar simply due to the fact that these maps are quite big and without them it will widen the gap between good/experienced players and the idiots/new players.
It's hard enough for anyone new to join this game, I can just imagine the potential player loss we could have if the scrubs had to walk from the back spawn everytime they lost their foreward spawn points. It will also slow the pace down drastically and we really don't want that do we?
I've always used the LAVs solely for transportation, I tried the other day to get some roadkills on the 3-point map and it was way too easy. Make it harder to get roadkills but don't drop the "general mobility" of the game, I see no reason for that.
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semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
317
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Posted - 2012.11.02 15:10:00 -
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I agree that the vehicles need to make more noise. I know when a tank or dropship are nearby....I can hear them but most of the times the first warning I get that a LAV is near is when my butt is sitting in the radiator. |
Alldin Kan
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
169
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Posted - 2012.11.02 15:56:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:if you want to move around the map in a vehicle you should have to pay for it, or buy an AUR BPO.
It's not that bad...
Throw AV grenades and they blow up in 1-2 hits :P |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2012.11.02 16:08:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Still waiting to hear how they detract from gameplay. All I see so far is " scrubs shouldn't play" and "you should pay AUR for BPO". Not really seeing a reason why.
They're a low-skill method of killing people which, many times, there's essentially no defence against. When the best way of getting kills with a LAV is ramming people rather than shooting them with the gun in the back, you know there's a major issue with the vehicle.
Chunky Munkey wrote:Anything that ought to be able to kill something, ought to be able to kill the proto version of it. You lost your isk, deal with it.
Yes, because the way this stuff works is that you skill up to prototype, spending 50k on a prototype suit, and are meant to derive no benefit at all from it. Good thinking there, genius. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.11.02 16:11:00 -
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AV nade, pro sniper, swarm launcher, forge gun, any turret, another LAV. All simple easy counters. Except the sniper. He's gotta be pretty good to pop the driver. The idea there is no defence against them is LoLfunny. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.11.02 16:18:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:AV nade, pro sniper, swarm launcher, forge gun, any turret, another LAV. All simple easy counters. Except the sniper. He's gotta be pretty good to pop the driver. The idea there is no defence against them is LoLfunny.
Lol, the main issue isn't that they have counters, it's that they over-reaching their purpose. A new, universal jeep would be much better at ensuring people can get to the action. Collision damage would turn roadkill from a free kill into a legitimate tactic. But this all goes back to horrible map design. They are so big you need vehicles to get around, yet there is nowhere vehicles can't reach. |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2012.11.02 16:24:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:AV nade, pro sniper, swarm launcher, forge gun, any turret, another LAV. All simple easy counters. Except the sniper. He's gotta be pretty good to pop the driver. The idea there is no defence against them is LoLfunny.
Do you really not understand what I'm saying? I'm kind of surprised that I need to explain this further. You've played this game before, right? You know those times when you're on foot and all of a sudden a LAV comes out of nowhere and is barrelling down on you? In those cases, you're either close enough to cover, lucky enough to be missed by the LAV driver, or you're dead. You can't switch to a sniper rifle and headshot the driver fast enough. You can't throw a grenade before he hits you. You can't spin up a forge gun.
Just so we're clear, nobody is saying it's impossible to kill a LAV, at all, under any circumstances. I don't know where you read that, or if you've just helpfully decided that's what I said, but in either case it isn't accurate. You need to think more about what people are writing before you respond again. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.11.02 16:31:00 -
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I throw nades at incomming LAVs all the time. They are part of the reason AV nades are on all my fits. I don't see how making them AUR only will change the gameplay except to pin noobs in their spawns. That's what the topic is about.
@noc Over reaching? Not IMHO. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.11.02 17:26:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:I throw nades at incomming LAVs all the time. They are part of the reason AV nades are on all my fits. I don't see how making them AUR only will change the gameplay except to pin noobs in their spawns. That's what the topic is about.
@noc Over reaching? Not IMHO.
I don't think AV grenades should be a necessity. I don't think they should be AUR only, I think they should keep the militia LAV as paid and replace the BPO with a new vehicle that is either a better troop transport (4 seat jeep) or personal transport (1 seat bike) that you cannot add modules to nor gunned (besides the passengers). The problem isn't ISK prices, it is the lack of SP and risk involved for the ease of killing any infantry. I am against ALL 1HK items, including the current missile turrets. |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2012.11.02 17:40:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:if you want to move around the map in a vehicle you should have to pay for it, or buy an AUR BPO.
I disagree. The free LAVs should be around just so that we can run jump over in his proto suits. |
Jarre Jardox
Cool Story But It Needs More EVE
30
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Posted - 2012.11.02 17:47:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Tony Calif wrote:I throw nades at incomming LAVs all the time. They are part of the reason AV nades are on all my fits. I don't see how making them AUR only will change the gameplay except to pin noobs in their spawns. That's what the topic is about.
@noc Over reaching? Not IMHO. I don't think AV grenades should be a necessity. I don't think they should be AUR only, I think they should keep the militia LAV as paid and replace the BPO with a new vehicle that is either a better troop transport (4 seat jeep) or personal transport (1 seat bike) that you cannot add modules to nor gunned (besides the passengers). The problem isn't ISK prices, it is the lack of SP and risk involved for the ease of killing any infantry. I am against ALL 1HK items, including the current missile turrets. In other words nerf snipers, railguns, forge guns, mass drivers, shotguns, impact grenades, remote explosives, missile turrets and lav collisions. All these in the right hands are 1hk so lets just nerf um all cus 1hk is bad. |
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