DUST Search - get rid of free LAV's

Skihids wrote:

Sleepy Zan wrote:

The dark cloud wrote:

Allright lets take a look at this shall we?:
dropsuit= empty cola can
LAV= weights around 2 tons

2 tons hitting the cola can resulting in a deformation beyond repair. And it doesnt make a difference if it was a no name cola can or a original coca cola can. What you guys demand is that a cola can is aible to not deform at all while getting hit by 2 tons of weight at once. And now we go onto medical aspects. You the guy in the dropsuit are getting lethal injuries because your dropsuit gets deformed. After all inside the dropsuit is still a human who is totally mortal.

What your saying makes sense, only thing is your analogy is inaccurate. We aren't running around wearing tin cans we apparently have state of the art shielding and armor. I would say something that can brush off a couple of super heated plasma rounds can take on a vehicle collision. That being said I also think falling damage needs to be lowered.

However those tin cans rupture when you toss them off a tall building unless you activate your inertial dampner.

Hitting the ground or having a LAV hit you is all pretty much the same accelleration wise. If one will kill you the other is bound to as well.

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Super Cargo Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 428	Posted - 2012.11.01 20:33:00 - [31] - Quote Thurak Mirunas wrote: i think as someone mentioned earlier we should just get a personnel carrier instead of the LAV's for the free vehicle, and as CCP say they want many more vehicles we can home APC's are one of them :) tho maybe the free one would not have any/much armour Not a bad idea. It would give people another vehicle to spec into as well.
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens 164	Posted - 2012.11.01 20:52:00 - [32] - Quote I don't know... Making the free LAV an unarmed four seater wouldn't bother me at all.
Henry FitzEmpress Reaper Galactic 22	Posted - 2012.11.01 21:08:00 - [33] - Quote I don't mind the free LAVs either. Killing those is pretty much the only way I get kills nowadays.
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1060	Posted - 2012.11.01 21:27:00 - [34] - Quote Wheres the problem? Av grenade properly used and its gone. It simply should stay otherwise bluedot teams will even more sit back in their redline instead of trying to break trough with a LAV.
Rendiff Jurr Black Omega Industrial 21	Posted - 2012.11.01 21:29:00 - [35] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: The free lav should be 4 seats, no gun, no modules. The paid lavs should have freaking roofs. Any roadkill should do equal damage back, potentially leading to awesome stand your ground moments with heavies ^^This
Belzeebub Santana SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 409	Posted - 2012.11.01 21:36:00 - [36] - Quote As far as free LAVs go, I think in low and null nothing should be free. Like Nocs point on covered LAVs and 4 seater free ones. To help combat the constant crushing of poor unsuspecting mercs, the LAVs need noise besides the lights tipping you off. The crushed merc should stay crunched up in the LAVs wheel making the LAV slow until the merc bleeds out. The LAV should have a max damage and we should know what that is, also it should be low enough to kill a militia heavy but have those that are above survive and maybe the impact instead kills LAV.
Pranekt Tyrvoth Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 177	Posted - 2012.11.01 22:02:00 - [37] - Quote I wouldn't mind if they got rid of the free LAV. Also wouldn't mind if they added impact damage when hitting a person. Make it so, engage.
Xavier Hastings ZionTCD Legacy Rising 243	Posted - 2012.11.01 22:22:00 - [38] - Quote Fivetimes Infinity wrote: Nstomper wrote: shouldnt be fatal? It's a car crushing a dude at fast speeds Who cares? Moving forward and steering a bit in a free vehicle should not be able to drop someone in proto gear. Let me give you analogy. I got hit by a bus. I die, because I didn't put on a bullet proof vest before work. You get hit by a bus. You had a bullet proof vest on. By your logic, you don't die, because you have spent the money on a five grand vest. *For those of you who don't understand analogies, ~~go back to school~~ let me explain this for you. Me being hit by a bus represents me in my glorious Militia Outfit getting hit by a LAV. The man in the bullet proof vest represents a protoman being hit with a LAV. And apparently he should not die because Proto Suits are made from the Golden Fleece. I also find it quite amusing that only the users in Proto complain about free LAVs. I wonder why...
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2012.11.01 22:36:00 - [39] - Quote AUR BPO for a lav makes sense.....but the free lavs are the least annoying thing on the battlefield. They're easy easy kills. Sure...put 4 people in a lav..lol..will make for some good kill feeds. Don't change anything CCP
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2047	Posted - 2012.11.01 22:40:00 - [40] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: The free lav should be 4 seats, no gun, no modules. The paid lavs should have freaking roofs. Any roadkill should do equal damage back, potentially leading to awesome stand your ground moments with heavies Like a few others said, this gets my vote.

The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1060	Posted - 2012.11.01 22:45:00 - [41] - Quote Allright lets take a look at this shall we?: dropsuit= empty cola can LAV= weights around 2 tons 2 tons hitting the cola can resulting in a deformation beyond repair. And it doesnt make a difference if it was a no name cola can or a original coca cola can. What you guys demand is that a cola can is aible to not deform at all while getting hit by 2 tons of weight at once. And now we go onto medical aspects. You the guy in the dropsuit are getting lethal injuries because your dropsuit gets deformed. After all inside the dropsuit is still a human who is totally mortal.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.11.01 22:56:00 - [42] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: AUR BPO for a lav makes sense.....but the free lavs are the least annoying thing on the battlefield. They're easy easy kills. Sure...put 4 people in a lav..lol..will make for some good kill feeds. Don't change anything CCP This. If it isn't broken, don't fix it. Free LAV isn't broken.
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2047	Posted - 2012.11.01 22:59:00 - [43] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Allright lets take a look at this shall we?: dropsuit= empty cola can LAV= weights around 2 tons 2 tons hitting the cola can resulting in a deformation beyond repair. And it doesnt make a difference if it was a no name cola can or a original coca cola can. What you guys demand is that a cola can is aible to not deform at all while getting hit by 2 tons of weight at once. And now we go onto medical aspects. You the guy in the dropsuit are getting lethal injuries because your dropsuit gets deformed. After all inside the dropsuit is still a human who is totally mortal. What your saying makes sense, only thing is your analogy is inaccurate. We aren't running around wearing tin cans we apparently have state of the art shielding and armor. I would say something that can brush off a couple of super heated plasma rounds can take on a vehicle collision. That being said I also think falling damage needs to be lowered.
Mister Hunt Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 230	Posted - 2012.11.01 23:29:00 - [44] - Quote I love how the Imperfects, who have zero problem whatsoever of sitting there spawn raping people dropping out of their MCC in a dropship, suddenly have a problem with LAVs. Seems pretty hypocritical. Some people use a system that doesn't take SP to kill a bunch of people, and are easily dispatched by starter AV. Other people use a system where only 1 person has to have SP to kill a bunch of people, and are very difficult to kill even with the best gear. Bit of the pot calling the kettle black don't ya think?
Cecil Wilson ZionTCD Legacy Rising 1	Posted - 2012.11.01 23:54:00 - [45] - Quote Tin can is closer to bring correct, but its actually a momentum problem. Just like when you drop out of the MCC, you have to use your inertial dampener. Let us be able to activate our inertial dampener whenever we want, and suddenly the LAV's are hitting near immovable rocks as opposed to sacks of meat in cans. Just an idea.
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2012.11.01 23:59:00 - [46] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Allright lets take a look at this shall we?: dropsuit= empty cola can LAV= weights around 2 tons 2 tons hitting the cola can resulting in a deformation beyond repair. And it doesnt make a difference if it was a no name cola can or a original coca cola can. What you guys demand is that a cola can is aible to not deform at all while getting hit by 2 tons of weight at once. And now we go onto medical aspects. You the guy in the dropsuit are getting lethal injuries because your dropsuit gets deformed. After all inside the dropsuit is still a human who is totally mortal. What your saying makes sense, only thing is your analogy is inaccurate. We aren't running around wearing tin cans we apparently have state of the art shielding and armor. I would say something that can brush off a couple of super heated plasma rounds can take on a vehicle collision. That being said I also think falling damage needs to be lowered. However those tin cans rupture when you toss them off a tall building unless you activate your inertial dampner. Hitting the ground or having a LAV hit you is all pretty much the same accelleration wise. If one will kill you the other is bound to as well.
Mister Hunt Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 230	Posted - 2012.11.02 00:22:00 - [47] - Quote Ya, it was a shoot from the hip response that I have been working on stopping.
slap26 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 462	Posted - 2012.11.02 00:40:00 - [48] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Tell me again how large turrets or forge guns differentiate between militia & Proto. Sorry but this thread is LoL funny. About the only thing that needs doing is to NOT give 1 race a better gun for free. Missile > Blaster. That is all. Last Build I ran a blaster fit sagaris and that thing tore up just about any tank I came across. I'm trying out missile turrets this build and haven't really been in any good tank vs tank fights to really judge it. I will say that missile turrets feel abit op against infantry tho. At least with the blaster had to aim my shot a little. The missile is just see the enemy spam that way and kill, and armor tanks get damn near insta poped. And Give me my railgun splash damage back, leave the radius where its at tho. Ohhhhhhhhhh and free LAV's keep them or give me an AUR BPO But If they remove the free LAV's they better remove the free swarm launchers also
Stinker Butt Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 103	Posted - 2012.11.02 00:56:00 - [49] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: The free lav should be 4 seats, no gun, no modules. The paid lavs should have freaking roofs. Any roadkill should do equal damage back, potentially leading to awesome stand your ground moments with heavies Like a few others said, this gets my vote. I like the idea, but I'd like to add that passengers can shoot there own weapons out of the window, and no unlimited ammo.
D3aTH D3alER54 The Southern Legion 130	Posted - 2012.11.02 01:01:00 - [50] - Quote Omnipotens Zitro wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: The free lav should be 4 seats, no gun, no modules. The paid lavs should have freaking roofs. Any roadkill should do equal damage back, potentially leading to awesome stand your ground moments with heavies I approve this message! You "approve" this message? What do you think you are, some kind of forum mod that can choose which message gets through/approved or not? Gtfo here mate you're pathetic, go back to your basement where you belong.

Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 285	Posted - 2012.11.02 01:52:00 - [51] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Fivetimes Infinity wrote: Nstomper wrote: shouldnt be fatal? It's a car crushing a dude at fast speeds Who cares? Moving forward and steering a bit in a free vehicle should not be able to drop someone in proto gear. Anything that ought to be able to kill something, ought to be able to kill the proto version of it. You lost your isk, deal with it. It should take more effort to kill prototype than militia, otherwise what's the point? If you've played the game long enough to get hold of proto gear, shouldn't you have the smarts to keep an eye out for indiscriminate threats? Proto gear isn't a substitute for skills, and even the most skilled players have to die at some point. These forums are packed with people complaining about every possible way to die, every weakness of this weapon and that dropsuit. This way to die just happens to be annoying, like when you get sniped by a starter setup. A n00b got an easy kill because they found you vulnerable for that split second. That's all it takes. Man up.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 285	Posted - 2012.11.02 01:55:00 - [52] - Quote D3aTH D3alER54 wrote: Omnipotens Zitro wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: The free lav should be 4 seats, no gun, no modules. The paid lavs should have freaking roofs. Any roadkill should do equal damage back, potentially leading to awesome stand your ground moments with heavies I approve this message! You "approve" this message? What do you think you are, some kind of forum mod that can choose which message gets through/approved or not? Gtfo here mate you're pathetic, go back to your basement where you belong. I've never seen someone's disdain backfire so efficiently.
Necrodermis GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 460	Posted - 2012.11.02 02:01:00 - [53] - Quote i can smell the butthurt i don't care if morons are wanting to run around in the LAV fine. they have a machinegun unless they pay for it but it's just a coffin flying around the map. also what's next get rid of the free 4 suits because people are killing you in your precious proto suit? cry some more
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2047	Posted - 2012.11.02 02:33:00 - [54] - Quote D3aTH D3alER54 wrote: Omnipotens Zitro wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: The free lav should be 4 seats, no gun, no modules. The paid lavs should have freaking roofs. Any roadkill should do equal damage back, potentially leading to awesome stand your ground moments with heavies I approve this message! You "approve" this message? What do you think you are, some kind of forum mod that can choose which message gets through/approved or not? Gtfo here mate you're pathetic, go back to your basement where you belong. Why are you so mad?
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2047	Posted - 2012.11.02 02:35:00 - [55] - Quote Skihids wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Allright lets take a look at this shall we?: dropsuit= empty cola can LAV= weights around 2 tons 2 tons hitting the cola can resulting in a deformation beyond repair. And it doesnt make a difference if it was a no name cola can or a original coca cola can. What you guys demand is that a cola can is aible to not deform at all while getting hit by 2 tons of weight at once. And now we go onto medical aspects. You the guy in the dropsuit are getting lethal injuries because your dropsuit gets deformed. After all inside the dropsuit is still a human who is totally mortal. What your saying makes sense, only thing is your analogy is inaccurate. We aren't running around wearing tin cans we apparently have state of the art shielding and armor. I would say something that can brush off a couple of super heated plasma rounds can take on a vehicle collision. That being said I also think falling damage needs to be lowered. However those tin cans rupture when you toss them off a tall building unless you activate your inertial dampner. Hitting the ground or having a LAV hit you is all pretty much the same accelleration wise. If one will kill you the other is bound to as well. True but I still think heavies should at least take a hit.
DarkShadowFox Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 238	Posted - 2012.11.02 02:38:00 - [56] - Quote I think everyone would be so much less frustrated if CCP just raised the amount of money we gained per match again.. -.-
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2047	Posted - 2012.11.02 02:54:00 - [57] - Quote DarkShadowFox wrote: I think everyone would be so much less frustrated if CCP just raised the amount of money we gained per match again.. -.- I actually think the amount we make now is enough.
HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2242	Posted - 2012.11.02 03:01:00 - [58] - Quote Ba hahahahahahaaha this has got be the funniest thread yet! Waaaaaa let's get rid of free lavs cause they take out my proto suit. Hahahahahahahaha. Seriously though how is my fatty supposed to get around? The only change we need is some noise so its not so sneaky. Imagine if suits didn't get crushed and you got booted like a kickball.
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2012.11.02 03:03:00 - [59] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Ba hahahahahahaaha this has got be the funniest thread yet! Waaaaaa let's get rid of free lavs cause they take out my proto suit. Hahahahahahahaha. Seriously though how is my fatty supposed to get around? The only change we need is some noise so its not so sneaky. Imagine if suits didn't get crushed and you got booted like a kickball. I actually don't have a proto suit. BTW i dropped that strike on you earlier on purpose.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 132	Posted - 2012.11.02 03:05:00 - [60] - Quote Make a couple of regular infantry weapons be effective against LAV. I propose that Laser rifles should do high damage to LAV's. This way their low cost and high efficiency is balanced by how easy it is to down them w/o having to use an anti-armor weapon. Also, the laser rifles that are now sub-par compared to ARs would get a reasonable role boost in the game.



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