EnglishSnake@
I think you overestimating forge gun capabilities. Firstly it's not push-the-trigger hit-the-target weapon. It takes some time to hit something when you firing from distance, and you have to calculate where target will be in a second(~). You must demonstrate precision, using weapon that is imprecise(there is no zoom-in option, and splash dmg does not matter in killing tank).
Standars BFG hit for 2100 per charge that takes 6 sec, if you have 2 dmg mode it's 2730 per 6sec, so 455dps minus penalty from second dmg mode(I include 10% from weaponry). 455dps may sounds good but it doesn't mean much when your target is mobile and can simply run away in that 6sec period of time.

And I completely approve OP!

It's only 1 sided because of
A.) breach forge wil take atleast 3 shots to drop a good tank. That's about 12 seconds with everything maxed.
B.) damage amplifiers are low slots. Shield tanks only sacrifice nanofibre/PG/CPU upgrades. It's gank & tank for shield tanks.
C.) yeah it's a heck of a lot of SP to get ALL of it. No-one has that much SP yet. But missiles are already dominating everything else.
D.) it'll all fit on a Sica. That's a cheap, no SP required chassis. Except the very expensive marauder skill.

I know there are stacking penalties, and I agree it won't be exactly 40%. But it's close enough.

If there is any argument except "I cost lots and need more SP than my counter" I'd like to hear them. Because a Proto heavy drops very easily to a militia/standard sniper. It's the same deal. That's the whole point in a counter.

It's a 1 sided argument because IMHO, there is no counter argument to this insane damage.

Yo, in RL missiles are the most powerful weapon: very long rage, massive explosion and blow up everything... I say CCP got it right. It's there,it's up to you to use it instead of complaining. Or.. wait a sec... you don't have the skill?

dont nerf the turrets. Just reduce the bonus from the skills by 50%. Like you get 1.5% damage boost for small missile operation and only 1% for the proficency. Another thing is the damage mods i would say instead of 20% use 15% for the top tiers. So leave the stats of the turrets itself alone. And you forget that just 1 small fragmented XT-1 missile turret costs 80.000 ISK. After all you get something good for alot of ISK. be carefull what you want otherwise we end up again with a breach assault rifle.

Yo, in RL missiles are the most powerful weapon: very long rage, massive explosion and blow up everything... I say CCP got it right. It's there,it's up to you to use it instead of complaining. Or.. wait a sec... you don't have the skill?

So now we have paper tanks with stupidly OP turrets on them, invincible dropships with OP turrets and AV totally broken to compound the issue.

This is a good summary of the whole thread. Only thing I would add is the disparity between shield (paper) and armour (rizla+). They should both be cardboard, super tanks being corrugated card.

Forge guns are the most ridiculously OP thing in game at the minute imo. It can snipe, It can AA, It can AV and It can AI. The user can basically hide better and is more maneuverable than a tank. It's no comparison to the tanks railgun, yet it costs a fraction in terms of both ISK and SP investment. It's a joke.

No, they are not ridiculously OP. Borg, I do not understand how you come to that conclusion. Every single heavy drop after 2 headshots from sniper or 40~bullets from AR...

Yo, in RL missiles are the most powerful weapon: very long rage, massive explosion and blow up everything... I say CCP got it right. It's there,it's up to you to use it instead of complaining. Or.. wait a sec... you don't have the skill?

Any decent forge gunner has an SMG/Pistol. Usually, a high level one.

you guys are running out of things to nerf on tanks...

I'm actually advocating giving tanks more base HP. And that splash damage from the large railgun is too low (maybe it would be better if people have them skilled up, but that's a lot of SP needed to make them effective vs weak infantry).

Just look at Dropships lurch. They can be forge gunned down pretty fast. 1 shotting installaions is not cool from my perspective. Or what you can do to a 800k pure tank no gank armour tank. What happens when Surya's get 2 shot from Sagaris? That's not balanced IMHO.

couple points...first of all, i think tank HP is in a good spot. if you want to alter it, play around with skills, mods and teammates. a fully manned tank has 3 people, basically a squad rolling around with high grade teamwork. no wonder they work well. i never see squads of av guys actually work together and when they do, tanks get popped, as it should be.

tanks arent some low profile, supportive little taxi ride like in battlefield, they are full on roles that we spec out for like heavy machine guns and sniper rifles. sometimes, there are simply good tank drivers

couple points...first of all, i think tank HP is in a good spot. if you want to alter it, play around with skills, mods and teammates. a fully manned tank has 3 people, basically a squad rolling around with high grade teamwork. no wonder they work well. i never see squads of av guys actually work together and when they do, tanks get popped, as it should be.

tanks arent some low profile, supportive little taxi ride like in battlefield, they are full on roles that we spec out for like heavy machine guns and sniper rifles. sometimes, there are simply good tank drivers

dont look at a tank's ability to destroy a militia installation and freak out. the tank has to have a special fitting to be able to do that with expensive mods. any forge gunner can also slap on a few mods and chew through installations.

i was asking for the reduction to the splash radius of raolgun shots since E3, and im glad they fixed that, but the splash damage nerf has made railguns obsolete. putting more splash is good, and people will know, if they get shot across the map, tanks arent op, they just got sniped by a good player. snipers can score headshots, but a tank, using a mounted railgun cant hit a body without having every non tank user screaming for the deletion of all things that kills them?

people also need to realize that swarms are the generic AV option. if you are specializing in av, use forges and mines and av nades. those pack punches and with a forge you can put the pilot so off balance that the ship dies upon a crash landing anyway.

i prefer armor tanks but shield tanks have the advantage now. you cannot judge a game as a whole yet until we have most of the pieces yet and there is a lot of stuff still missing for and against tanks. CCP knows this and they are acting accordingly, but everyone and their mother sees it necessary to try and kill tanks on the forums instead of ingame.

one last thing. everyone was so happy to see tanks be so ****** after the patch and there was a lot of gloating on the forums, but once a few of the serious tank drivers learn how to play again, people start whining. not much love for tanks unfortunately.