Why is it again that snipers lose all sway when crouched? I mean, when does a sniper NOT crouch? Why is it cool for them to sit way up in the mountains, out of range of anything aside from other snipers, and not be penalized in any way for it? This never really used to bother me but it seems like every game I get into there are just more and more snipers, and it's frankly pretty damn annoying. I think a lot of this is simply because of the fact that you lose all sway when crouched. If you still had at least a little bit to deal with, no big deal, at least then I know you aren't just pointing and clicking, you're actually engaging with the game in some way.

Oh, and screw skirmish. I'm only ever playing skirmish with a full group on mics, people are far too stupid to play skirmish with pubbies >_<

Snipers is one of the multiple options in the game; DUST allow you to take a role in the battlefield and you can choose the role that you think going to give success and victory.

Yea no one like you as it is

He's right though, lets be fair, we all know that random matches are going to give you a team full of snipers, its the same in any FPS game out there because people have some fascination with it and don't realise that they can get better ratios and more kills by not sitting in the same spot for 20 mins like a ****.

Its one of the main reasons to run with a corp.

You forget that it takes a different skill to play as a successful sniper. It's more about patience, waiting for the right shots. It's not that easy to pull two quick shots on a sprinting (and jumping, which is unrealistic and annoying) target 300 meters away, even with out sway. Besides, most snipers don't get but mayby 6 kills per match (that's a rough average). The real benefit is the surveilance they provide.

I think alot of it also has to do with every ones obsession with K/DR. If everyone wasn't all like K/DR means all otherwise you SUCK , we wouldn't have so many campers and non objective taking people that are scared to make risks because thier tiny brains tell them it makes them look bad.. the gameplay might show less of them appearing and annoying alot of us. But that will never happen, to huge of a crowd that thinks all the glory lies in KD

Why is it again that snipers lose all sway when crouched? I mean, when does a sniper NOT crouch? Why is it cool for them to sit way up in the mountains, out of range of anything aside from other snipers, and not be penalized in any way for it? This never really used to bother me but it seems like every game I get into there are just more and more snipers, and it's frankly pretty damn annoying. I think a lot of this is simply because of the fact that you lose all sway when crouched. If you still had at least a little bit to deal with, no big deal, at least then I know you aren't just pointing and clicking, you're actually engaging with the game in some way.

Oh, and screw skirmish. I'm only ever playing skirmish with a full group on mics, people are far too stupid to play skirmish with pubbies >_<

Not in this game... Some may be doing it for KDR, most do it because they are easy to skill and they can't afford to play the game.

It's much more sensible to hide in the hills or camp on a roof with an AR or hide by an objective or spawn point with an HMG and just go for kills.

Why would you '' play the game '' and go for letters etc. only to have one of these players kill you, or be run over by a free jeep, or spammed by a dropship in your expensive suit. Screw that.

When the SP is a joke and you can't afford the ISK to '' play '' why the hell would you ?.

Just another one of the many reasons why the gameplay in this beta sucks I'm afraid.

Sigh.........whats the range on the FREE LAV missile turret??

Did you actually just tell me to use a LAV missile turret against a sniper?

Do you see what's wrong with what you just said?

Park the LAV where just the tip of the turret is close to where the sniper is and kill them with splash damage.

They want to snipe in the hills??
Cool as its very fun to track them down and either melee, pistol or militia smg at two inches away.


STARTER FITS cost how much??
ZERO ISK.

Takeing the letters is not for KDR but only for I won and you lost.

Change position, headshot gunner

Really, so you're taking letters at the same time as running into the hills to knife snipers are you ?.

In your starter fit ? Hmm sure you are.

Starter fit if you die taking a letter is ok because it costs nothing although you'll never take one in a starter fit because you're getting sniped from the hills.

So use a starter fit which is free but useless and kinda proves what i just said that there's no point using an expensive suit to play in because you can't afford to, and the SP is pointless , so like I said why would you ..... '' play the game ''

Please read and try to understand the original post before posting what you think are smart a$$ replys.

Heavy suit.
Or do not use vehicle and just forge gun versus sniper rifle.

Are you that sniper that I shoot with the forge gun??
Damn you are a very good sniper.

Ya heavies take more finesse

I think you might have got me with that forge last build but I don't remember dying to one this build yet, I could be wrong.

You guys are all wrong. sniping definitely takes more work than you think, I've tried it b4 it isn't half bad. leave how the sniper functions alone already i manage to beat them without using a sniper rifle by killing them when they aren't looking they don't see everything. out maneuvering an opponent is better than out-gunning them.

Why is it again that snipers lose all sway when crouched? I mean, when does a sniper NOT crouch? Why is it cool for them to sit way up in the mountains, out of range of anything aside from other snipers, and not be penalized in any way for it? This never really used to bother me but it seems like every game I get into there are just more and more snipers, and it's frankly pretty damn annoying. I think a lot of this is simply because of the fact that you lose all sway when crouched. If you still had at least a little bit to deal with, no big deal, at least then I know you aren't just pointing and clicking, you're actually engaging with the game in some way.

Oh, and screw skirmish. I'm only ever playing skirmish with a full group on mics, people are far too stupid to play skirmish with pubbies >_<

I'm notoriously bad at sniping in all FPS games, yet even I have been able to get 5-15 kills with one or no deaths when I load up as a sniper. The biggest issue is that crouching completely eliminates sway. It should greatly reduce it, but it should never completely eliminate it. Also, I believe there's no bullet travel in DUST, so there's no need to lead shots or anything like that, since the instant you pull the trigger the enemy takes damage.

I'm more or less concerned with the fact that it just makes for very boring gameplay, and like someone else mentioned, there's not much point in pulling out expensive fits when you're just going to get sniped trying to take objectives. That partially plays into the ISK rewards this build, which are sad, but still.

I don't think that the fact that there is no sway is the problem. I think the problem mainly is that the sniper snaps back to the same position with no sway after every shot. Also bullet drop and travel time needs to be added as well.

I still think 0 sway is an issue, but you raise good points.

I've heard the experimental milita sniper has bullet drop and delay, so maybe they are working to make all snipers behave like that, it's just hope, but maybe that will add some balance to the point and click sniper ( the 'mountain bandit' sniper is ultra easy to counter-snipe anyway but...)

Oh lovely, another, Snipers are OP, lolololololololololol.

The whinyness of some people.....

Please quote me calling them OP. I'll be waiting.

I'm making observations Sherlock, chill out.

Why is it again that snipers lose all sway when crouched? I mean, when does a sniper NOT crouch? Why is it cool for them to sit way up in the mountains, out of range of anything aside from other snipers, and not be penalized in any way for it? This never really used to bother me but it seems like every game I get into there are just more and more snipers, and it's frankly pretty damn annoying. I think a lot of this is simply because of the fact that you lose all sway when crouched. If you still had at least a little bit to deal with, no big deal, at least then I know you aren't just pointing and clicking, you're actually engaging with the game in some way.

Oh, and screw skirmish. I'm only ever playing skirmish with a full group on mics, people are far too stupid to play skirmish with pubbies >_<

Why is it again that snipers lose all sway when crouched? I mean, when does a sniper NOT crouch? Why is it cool for them to sit way up in the mountains, out of range of anything aside from other snipers, and not be penalized in any way for it? This never really used to bother me but it seems like every game I get into there are just more and more snipers, and it's frankly pretty damn annoying. I think a lot of this is simply because of the fact that you lose all sway when crouched. If you still had at least a little bit to deal with, no big deal, at least then I know you aren't just pointing and clicking, you're actually engaging with the game in some way.

Oh, and screw skirmish. I'm only ever playing skirmish with a full group on mics, people are far too stupid to play skirmish with pubbies >_<

Yea, I'm not even reading that. Be on your way now.

Please do not add scope sway while crouched it takes away a sniper's ability to be consistent and would make them useless imo.

See, I disagree. I think having a slight amount of sway while crouched would only take away the consistency of BAD snipers, while good ones will adjust to it just fine. There should never be no sway unless they let you drop prone and put the rifle on a stand.

Snipers is one of the multiple options in the game; DUST allow you to take a role in the battlefield and you can choose the role that you think going to give success and victory.

Thank you for the first hand feedback FURRY, I hope CCP realizes how they've taken a lot of the required skill out of what should be one of the most skill heavy roles in the game.

Well in fairness crouching should and does stabalize a weapon but it may be over done if there is no sway, only way to have no sway with a sniper rifle is while using a bi pod which firstly we need to be in a position to use which we havent short of a chest high wall, but all in all yes if there is no sway(i dont know so the if is vital) then there should be some added but it should be significently better than standing up right.

Why is it again that snipers lose all sway when crouched? I mean, when does a sniper NOT crouch? Why is it cool for them to sit way up in the mountains, out of range of anything aside from other snipers, and not be penalized in any way for it? This never really used to bother me but it seems like every game I get into there are just more and more snipers, and it's frankly pretty damn annoying. I think a lot of this is simply because of the fact that you lose all sway when crouched. If you still had at least a little bit to deal with, no big deal, at least then I know you aren't just pointing and clicking, you're actually engaging with the game in some way.

Oh, and screw skirmish. I'm only ever playing skirmish with a full group on mics, people are far too stupid to play skirmish with pubbies >_<

If you think sniping is bad now, wait till CCP adds in cloaking and since you can't strafe it'll be 10x as worse. THINK OF ALL THE CAMPING!!!! MAHAHAHAAH

Why is it again that snipers lose all sway when crouched? I mean, when does a sniper NOT crouch? Why is it cool for them to sit way up in the mountains, out of range of anything aside from other snipers, and not be penalized in any way for it? This never really used to bother me but it seems like every game I get into there are just more and more snipers, and it's frankly pretty damn annoying. I think a lot of this is simply because of the fact that you lose all sway when crouched. If you still had at least a little bit to deal with, no big deal, at least then I know you aren't just pointing and clicking, you're actually engaging with the game in some way.

Oh, and screw skirmish. I'm only ever playing skirmish with a full group on mics, people are far too stupid to play skirmish with pubbies >_<

Snipers annoyed the hell out of me, so this build, I skilled up and tried to play as one. Not as easy or fun as I had hoped. Consequently, I'm playing far less.

Snipers is one of the multiple options in the game; DUST allow you to take a role in the battlefield and you can choose the role that you think going to give success and victory.

Sure. But in a game of 4 vs 4 when one team floats objectives, caps them all, but we all go negative, and still win, because the whole other team chooses to camp in the mountains with tactical sniper rifles, it kind of belittled objective based teamwork and isn't much fun....just saying, you know.....

Sure, we won, but was the game fun? No.

hysterical.

every year it comes up. multiple times. every board. every game and the morons STILL don't get it

same old excuses... year after year after year and they cling to em like grim death:
countersniper, wah wah.

if you can't heal someone or arm an objective, you're not helping.

you're recon doesn't help
you're "killing" the occasional person every 5 minutes doesn't help.
nothing you do is useful. if you aren't in there with the squad on the ground... you're an anchor. and an ah.

nothing you do helps, you hear the same complaints in every game, you use the same excuses and continue to do the same dumb crap year after year. hysterical.

Peace
B

Clearly you didn't read a single post in this thread. For the majority of snipers this may be true, but you should know by now there are extremely effective snipers out there capable of easily defending a letter. Explain me to exactly how a sniper eating up the other teams resources is not servicing his or her team. Tell me how exactly I'm not helping when I headshot you as you try to hack an objective, or move towards an objective, or kill your lav gunner/passenger, shoot your drop ship gunner....

It's ok you don't like snipers. Don't act like they're not useful.

Yes CCP should remove the camping behind the red line it sucks ballz,

Sniping is not easy you twats. It only seems easier because the games hit detection is working. As of current I have played only sniper, and I have the most expensive in the game. It cannot OHK most people unless shot in the head and the ingame latency (as well as glitch where shots dont damage) make it difficult. I only have 3 rounds in my gun and initial sway is randomized and annoying. Even then if you spec up light sharpshooter you'll find your AR will reach me easily.
Go snipe for yourself and find out how much concentration it requires.
Peace

Bad FUrry said it right...that felt bad typing, but that is how it is....the fact that you don't have to lead and there is little to no sway makes sniping skill less...I am baffled by the people who say "It isn't as easy as you think." Yeah, it is easier, it takes 2 shots to kill someone and the rifle doesn't sway after a shot.

Snipers can defend objectives like nobodys business. They don't even have to be close and they will kill anyone hacking a terminal...I think we just need smoke nades and that would fix it.

Bad FUrry said it right...that felt bad typing, but that is how it is....the fact that you don't have to lead and there is little to no sway makes sniping skill less...I am baffled by the people who say "It isn't as easy as you think." Yeah, it is easier, it takes 2 shots to kill someone and the rifle doesn't sway after a shot.

Snipers can defend objectives like nobodys business. They don't even have to be close and they will kill anyone hacking a terminal...I think we just need smoke nades and that would fix it.

I've heard the experimental milita sniper has bullet drop and delay, so maybe they are working to make all snipers behave like that, it's just hope, but maybe that will add some balance to the point and click sniper ( the 'mountain bandit' sniper is ultra easy to counter-snipe anyway but...)

ohhhh god see there it is:

so what if you headshot someone hacking a term:
his teammate rezzes him and he finishes the hack before you reload your next round.

naw man YOU miss the point
if YOU aren't on the ground taking the objective YOU suck.

CQC snipers?
i've seen 1.
1.
total.

the rest of you nerds hide.

head shot me?
i jackhammer snipers like you ALL the time. you come running back at me and i do it again.

oh and we have the objective the 3rd and 4th times you come back. but then you get mad, respawn elsewhere and i see you,
once again, hiding on amountain top trying to snipe ANOTHER objective.

naw man you're obtuse, dense. thick.

oh and you chose a PERFECT phrase to describe it:

"servicing your teammates"

you sure are!!!

LOL

Peace
B

ps i knew some implant sniper wanna be would vage about it. thanks for being the standout!

ohhhh god see there it is:

so what if you headshot someone hacking a term:
his teammate rezzes him and he finishes the hack before you reload your next round.

naw man YOU miss the point
if YOU aren't on the ground taking the objective YOU suck.

CQC snipers?
i've seen 1.
1.
total.

the rest of you nerds hide.

head shot me?
i jackhammer snipers like you ALL the time. you come running back at me and i do it again.

oh and we have the objective the 3rd and 4th times you come back. but then you get mad, respawn elsewhere and i see you,
once again, hiding on amountain top trying to snipe ANOTHER objective.

naw man you're obtuse, dense. thick.

oh and you chose a PERFECT phrase to describe it:

"servicing your teammates"

you sure are!!!

LOL

Peace
B

ps i knew some implant sniper wanna be would vage about it. thanks for being the standout!

What he said, I have tried redline camping many times and no matter how many kills you get, it doesn't matter if you go 30/0 on a mountain top, you aren't helping. The only scenario were mountain camping works is if you can effectively defend your teammates or an objective or 2. You must be able to do this very effectively to be useful, and even then your use at that particular mountain position is only temporary. However, if your on top of a random mountain taking pot shots at random targets your existence in the match is meaningless.

I am willing to bet you made isk and some one was loosing isk? That is what public matches are for. Make money for my corp.

Corp battle starts and tactics change.

I am under no delusions. I am a small piece of my corps puzzle. I think the medics and assaults should start realising this too. You are no game changers without your corp killers around you.

If people are complaining about snipers then they must be set properly.

A sniper is not balanced if people do not complain about them.

Snipers is one of the multiple options in the game; DUST allow you to take a role in the battlefield and you can choose the role that you think going to give success and victory.

Why is it again that snipers lose all sway when crouched?

Why is it cool for them to sit way up in the mountains, out of range of anything aside from other snipers,

I say change nothing, if you increase the sway on the scope, then that makes it even more difficult to snipe at closer ranges, meaning MORE snipers will go up into the hills. If you manage to hit a sniper with even one round, their aim is knocked off, use that to your advantage.

i love snipers. they dont move when i try and aim at them.

So what I'm hearing is that everyone complaining just wants no strategy just everyone running around with their same AR. Plenty of games are that way already. Why do you want to ruin this game too?

So what I'm hearing is that everyone complaining just wants no strategy just everyone running around with their same AR. Plenty of games are that way already. Why do you want to ruin this game too?

According to the Description of the sniper rifle, bullet velocity is 2000m/sec.

Lets assume that the mass of these bullets are pretty standard. I'll go with 800 grains, or 52 grams.

Kinetic Energy = 0.052kg * 2000^2
Kinetic Energy = 208 kj

Compare this to a modern sniper rifle, and well... there is no comparison. Basically, this should disintegrate a body no matter where you hit them. But this also means that there is enough recoil to take your arm off.

So speaking in game terms: We should see a considerable amount more recoil, and also more damage.

Also bullet drop:

Assuming we are on a similar planet to earth, and no other factors other than gravity.

These bullets travel 300 meters in 0.15 seconds. (This means you're not going to see any delay by the way).
It should drop 1.47 meters in that same amount of time.

Again speaking in game terms, you should see some drop. But why not assume that we've sighted the scope to account for the drop?

If you read the lore behind Dust you will see that all of the weapons that we use are more powerful than typical infantry weapons because we are genetically modified. Not to mention our drop suits would take nearly no damage from normal weapons. We are super soldiers in a completely different league than normal humans.

Right now I think it needs a slight buff and nerf

It needs the nerf when it comes to sway, it needs more overall sway and maybe a bigger subtraction to the sway for each level in sniper operations. They also need to return the kick and the sway in between shots.

The only things I would consider buffing is give the advanced snipers less CPU and PG usage, right now they are identical to prototype snipers. Also proto snipers could use a bit of a buff to damage or a lower price, right now the nerfed damage gained from skills make it so the proto sniper is not worth the price and you might as well stick with standard or even advanced at best.

I don't get the problem here. Yes, snipers are annoying. Nobody likes getting taken out just as they're about to cap that point. Does sniping need tweaking in this game? I think perhaps, a tiny bit. A previous poster in this thread said it is too easy to kill five people in five seconds now. To that I say, should the other four people, not conscious of their surroundings, deserve to live if a single sniper can get a bead on all of them?

Now, I haven't played since the launch of Codex unfortunately (stupid hotel internet), so I don't have the most up to date experience with sniping. I did note the reduced recoil and such, but I did not find it easy to the point where it made up for not being down there capturing points and repping/reviving teammates. Nor did I come close to the number of kills that the skilled players were racking up with ARs, shotguns, etc. I did provide a solid scout role, which I feel helped attribute to the survival of some of those other guys/gals.

If I could see anything needing balance/tweaking in regards to the scout sniper role, it would be the map itself. The mechanics of the weapon all fit with game balance as well as lore, when you look at the greater scope of the game. The ability to sit in an incredibly defensible location, while having line of sight to the majority of key areas, would be imbalanced in my opinion. Please, if someone knows if this exists or not, let me know. I have not studied the maps from a sniping perspective enough. If this condition does not exist, then CCP has properly balanced the maps and available cover. If it does exist, then tweaks or additional cover needs to be added so one person cannot defend several control points or key areas from one crow's nest.

To clarify, I feel that a sniper should have to expose themselves more to cover key points, than if they are just sniping people in open fields. If you are running around in the open and three guys on a ridge are giving you a hard time, stop going out in the open. But, if your whole squad is getting cleaned out at once from across the map while trying to cap, then some cover needs to be added.

tl;dr: Mechanics IMO are fine, maybe cover needs adjustments.

Someone please let me know how the maps are so in the future I don't talk out of my ass.