What was the standard for amount of health before Rainbow 6?
What was the accepted norm for jumping before Halo?
What did you think of games before COD?
How fast was a "good speed" before Unreal Tournament?

All four of these games.... if you played the betas of them, and compared them to the other 3.... what would your opinions be of them?

Dust is going to add a new question to this equation. Dust is a new game: Learn it, love it, and get good at it. While your focusing on strafe speed, or how a tank can POSSIBLY be better than a single guy, your not looking at the big picture:

That Dust is going to make you change the way you think about a shooter. That its not all about you in the moment, its about the WHOLE BATTLEFIELD. The aim down sights? Really?

Your defending an installation that YOU created with your OWN money and sweat....with 10 other guy's while around you, in UNIQUE roles that play completely different, while a guy flying a MCC gigantic command center shooting rockets all over the place at another flying behemoth, is calling out orders and managing where to send reinforcements, because there is 5-8 other objectives and installations that are important...on a district on a planet in a solar system in a universe that is player driven economy, tanks are being called in, strikes flying over head.... meanwhile your squad leader stopped mid battle and is leaving you hanging, because he got an offer from the other team for twice as much money, and now you gotta tell your commander that your in charge now. He gets on comms and explains what's going on and then everyone on your team stops caring about how they are losing money calling in their expensive ****, its now all about the revenge. You get sniped and your AR can't reach and then you die, so you remember next time that maybe your 10 man group should include at least 1 counter sniper.

This is not about how you feel princesses. This is about the War. And the Money. Do your job. Everything will fall into place and mean more when the game is as it should.

And you even had the option of paying ZERO DOLLARS for the privilege of this magnificent experience.
People will come and go with this game, but just like EVE, the playerbase will always be there, and as the game evolves, people will still come back again and again as the stories of victory and defeat flood the top 10 gaming moments in history.

They could buff everything by a factor of 2 so that the overal balance is maintained but that the gameplay becomes twice as energetic.

Oh god no! I can't keep up as it is

I'm not defending MY installation with MY money if the game isn't enjoyable & unique to play. Last build it was even with the technical issues. This build? Meh. Bf2 BC clone.

I see what you're saying, but no.
Standard hp in ANYGAME is 100. Doom.
Good speed before UT was Doom. Which could be crazy fast.
Accepted norm for jumping was strafe jumping. See quake/UT.
Did they make games before cod? :P joking

Sure, theres a whole battlefield. Heck there's a full galaxy out there. But if I don't like the speed:Heath:damage ratio, I probably won't be that fussed.

Like I say, last build was wonderful. Just explaining why us precious princesses are all of a fap about gunplay.

Dust is going to add a new question to this equation. Dust is a new game: Learn it, love it, and get good at it. While your focusing on strafe speed, or how a tank can POSSIBLY be better than a single guy, your not looking at the big picture

That Dust is going to make you change the way you think about a shooter. That its not all about you in the moment, its about the WHOLE BATTLEFIELD. The aim down sights? Really?

Your defending an installation that YOU created with your OWN money and sweat....

This is not about how you feel princesses. This is about the War. And the Money. Do your job. Everything will fall into place and mean more when the game is as it should.

My main point, is that every game brings to it a different reason to play.

If your selling point for most people is the run and gun experiance, you now have a shelf life for your game.
If your selling point is dynamic, team based battlefields, that balance out ROLES and risk vs reward of heavier equipment....

Then your game will last forever, because when the graphics get dated, and the single player experiance is superior in other games.... you'll keep coming back to this as the benchmark for what a REAL battle is and means.

Deathmatch is called ambush. You haven't been paying attention Archer.

What was the standard for amount of health before Rainbow 6?
What was the accepted norm for jumping before Halo?
What did you think of games before COD?
How fast was a "good speed" before Unreal Tournament?

All four of these games.... if you played the betas of them, and compared them to the other 3.... what would your opinions be of them?

Dust is going to add a new question to this equation. Dust is a new game: Learn it, love it, and get good at it. While your focusing on strafe speed, or how a tank can POSSIBLY be better than a single guy, your not looking at the big picture:

That Dust is going to make you change the way you think about a shooter. That its not all about you in the moment, its about the WHOLE BATTLEFIELD. The aim down sights? Really?

Your defending an installation that YOU created with your OWN money and sweat....with 10 other guy's while around you, in UNIQUE roles that play completely different, while a guy flying a MCC gigantic command center shooting rockets all over the place at another flying behemoth, is calling out orders and managing where to send reinforcements, because there is 5-8 other objectives and installations that are important...on a district on a planet in a solar system in a universe that is player driven economy, tanks are being called in, strikes flying over head.... meanwhile your squad leader stopped mid battle and is leaving you hanging, because he got an offer from the other team for twice as much money, and now you gotta tell your commander that your in charge now. He gets on comms and explains what's going on and then everyone on your team stops caring about how they are losing money calling in their expensive ****, its now all about the revenge. You get sniped and your AR can't reach and then you die, so you remember next time that maybe your 10 man group should include at least 1 counter sniper.

This is not about how you feel princesses. This is about the War. And the Money. Do your job. Everything will fall into place and mean more when the game is as it should.

And you even had the option of paying ZERO DOLLARS for the privilege of this magnificent experience.
People will come and go with this game, but just like EVE, the playerbase will always be there, and as the game evolves, people will still come back again and again as the stories of victory and defeat flood the top 10 gaming moments in history.

This is beautifully worded. However it's got nothing to do with the issue at hand.

You wouldn't play a Grand Theft Auto with broken movement mechanics, you wouldn't play Need For Speed with broken steering, you wouldn't play Final Fantasy with broken gameplay (see FF14), and the same applies here. The game can be as deep and amazing as it wants, but if the core gameplay, which in this situation happens to be gunplay, isn't satisfactory people aren't going to want to play it. Most people hate having to adapt to something they find strange or difficult to use, so if CCP really want's this to be a successful game they need it to be as accessible as possible.

So what's broken? Hit detection is dead on as far as I can tell. Character movement over the terrain feels good too. This is exactly what CCP said they were focusing on in these early builds and from where I'm sitting they delivered.

Some people think the character movement is too slow, it's all personal preference. I wouldn't call it broken, just less than satisfactory.