The scout suit is pretty worthless at this point. If you're going to run as a sniper, might as well be a logi or an assault. Scouts don't really excell at anything.

once they fix the filtering effects snipers are going to be called "OP i can't see where they are."
calling it now, as scouts slowly drop their profile to ridiculous levels all you will see is assault suits dropping to the ground.

i took one look at the un-modified damage of the level V sniper rifle and knew that people were going to be going right into it as soon as they finish dropping their profile.

I get the feeling that the scout suit was designed with cloaking in mind. Right now it doesn't really have such a good role. It is garbage for sniping in, and its ability as a front-line infantry suit doesn't seem to be so hot. I am left wondering what its niche is meant to be, although I assume it was intended to involve cloaking.

I've specialized in Scout so far.

Ask old time beta testers.

I've never been seen out of one with this character after finding out which fit my style ini july..

Now scouts aren't meant to tank stuff, but they are way to easy to hit in gun fights with sideways movement, and to use speed to get out, you have to turn your camera to sprint out. and when you do that, the new hit detection makes it death.

It's really lost its touch, although it's touch was enhanced before with bad hit detection.

If the low signatur profile is low iam going to guess stealth this would also be buffed by the cloaking keep that in mind when balencing, in my opinion the scout is not designed to go head to head with the assult its designed to dispence a cold calculated serving of bullets to the back of the targets head.

I agree (head to head isn't for the scout), but at 350 or 400m, a scout with a sniper rifle should win. Anything mid to short range, no. But at long range a sniper scout should win, but right now they don't.

Oh yeah i agree a sniper rifles effective range in modern day is at least 1000m and it does one thing very well putting one big bullet very percily onto one spot, while i will admit a 1000m shot is not easy to pull of it has been done, But as some people say about the AR has too much range iam not sure i agree in reality a AR can hit further than these ARs can but the ones we have now are the close range weapon type so maybe they are right, but i think the bigger problem the snipers have against AR is that ARs dont currently have recoil which effectivly meens we can fire full auto and anti snipe that is not right while a skilled AR marksman can hit at ranges the AR is shooting every one is currectly a skilled marks man because you dont need to compinsate for anything about the gun yet.

I also think that the tac net system needs a redesign so its manual and that people who provide the "intel" get points for it that is where scouts with their array of advanced sensors and sensor dampeners would shine and would be as vital a role as a logi especialy if they had stuff like jammers/scramblers to mess up hostile tac net then the cqc scout would have a part in a squad other than where the hell is he gone?

+1 for almost useless scout. I run logi or assault now to fulfill the same roles. Speed and got detection need to be fixed. Scout now = fat ninja.

Yeah, I think that's my greatest complaint here. The scout suit has no role. Every other suit does.

Scout suit to snipe? Nope, assault is better. Scout suit to hack objectives? Nope, assault suit is also better because it's slightly slower yet can actually fight back (not paper thin). Scout to run around in cqc? Nope, heavy assault or plain assault is better. Scout for support/revive? Nope, Logi is better with revive and more CPU/PG for drop uplinks and nanohive.

I just want to know what CCP sees as the role for the scout, because I can't find one.

Yeah, I think that's my greatest complaint here. The scout suit has no role. Every other suit does.

Scout suit to snipe? Nope, assault is better. Scout suit to hack objectives? Nope, assault suit is also better because it's slightly slower yet can actually fight back (not paper thin). Scout to run around in cqc? Nope, heavy assault or plain assault is better. Scout for support/revive? Nope, Logi is better with revive and more CPU/PG for drop uplinks and nanohive.

I just want to know what CCP sees as the role for the scout, because I can't find one.

...But as some people say about the AR has too much range iam not sure i agree in reality a AR can hit further than these ARs can...

Just occured to me does CCP intend to put skill bonuses on suits like they do on ships in eve, a scout could have racial sniper rifle damage +5% to damage per level and maybe stability this would make it better at sniping than a assult for sniping? It would probably have like a bonus like a cover op ship for cloacking devices making it the base line of covert suits with others varients of assult and logi having covert ablitity maybe the Teck 2 or 3 varients?

To put it simply, the scout has more disadvantage than advantage. You get a minor increase in stealth capabilities and an almost imperceptible increase in speed, but you have to trade out a significant amount of HP, CPU, PG, and even lose some fitting space to get that tiny bump.

I've played almost entirely scout for about 3 months now, and even paid for the merc pack almost solely for the Dragonfly, but I won't touch it now.... there's just no logical reason to justify using that piece of junk.

What about faster reload faster draw faster regen move stamina does that not matter to you?

I think inreasing kick from holding the trigger would balance them realistically. They still be good at medium range and kick wouldn't screw with their cqc however it would make people use twice as much ammo or controlled burst for long AR work which would be realistic and you wont have people withering under AR fire from 100m out

To put it simply, the scout has more disadvantage than advantage. You get a minor increase in stealth capabilities and an almost imperceptible increase in speed, but you have to trade out a significant amount of HP, CPU, PG, and even lose some fitting space to get that tiny bump.

I've played almost entirely scout for about 3 months now, and even paid for the merc pack almost solely for the Dragonfly, but I won't touch it now.... there's just no logical reason to justify using that piece of junk.

Definitely. The disadvantages you get with the scout far outweigh any possible advantage. And even then, like you said, the advantages are almost too low to notice. I've sprinted next to assaults many times, and I only barely beat them. It's strange.

The assualt is the only straight up offensive suit it is the only one that should get weapon related boost the scout should get speed and agility based bonuses. People need to adapt to the new hit detection faster isn't always better maybe your play style would be better suited to an assualt with those nano thing.

Huh? Yeah, I agree with you, which is why I'm confused as to why the scout suit sprints at 7.8m/s, and the assault at 7m/s. Not a big difference. Especially since the scout only has 2/3 of the CPU of the assault.

I have my shield ready for all the assault flaming arrows I'll get for this...

So, the last few builds it was always "the scout suit is OP", "I can't kill any scouts at close range", "the scout is too fast", etc. Now, these complaints were true, in the sense that scouts were really tough to kill, but it had nothing to do with the suit itself. It was all about hit detection.

Now that hit detection is fixed, the true nature of the scout suit has been revealed. It's garbage. Why?

The scout can sprint less than 10% faster than the assault on base stats, yet the assault has at least 50% or greater in hit points. Not only that, but the assault suit has much higher PG and CPU.

Look at the heavy. Pretty slow- it's sprint is like 2/3 of what the assault is, and to compensate they have double the hit points of the assault. There seems to be a risk/reward choice there that is logical. But for the scout, why would I want to run 9% faster just to give up at least 1/3 of the hitpoints and a lot of CPU and PG (I don't have the numbers in front of me, but it's a big difference). Not to mentions strafing speed is so low that the scout gives no advantage there, either.

Supposedly the signature profile is different for the scouts, but I haven't seen a difference in people spotting me between the suits (with my profile sig as low as I can get it). Scouts are smaller in stature, but that makes a very minor difference- certainly not enough to make up for the scout's definicies.

Scouts should be able to sneak, use ninja like tactics, be felt but not seen. Currently (and hopefully it's coming) none of that is there.

Please consider buffing the scout so it makes sense to play. Right now it offers almost no distinct advantages.

Let the flaming begin!

Honestly - the only feedback I'm going to accept as valid are from people that actually use the things that members of the community say are broken. Otherwise, how are we supposed to know if it's legit feedback or "it's easy to kill so keep it that way"?

Honestly - the only feedback I'm going to accept as valid are from people that actually use the things that members of the community say are broken. Otherwise, how are we supposed to know if it's legit feedback or "it's easy to kill so keep it that way"?

If you read the description, it appears that one of the main things that the scout is intended for is to be compatible with the stealth and cloaking technologies that they plan to add someday. So I look at the current scount as a framework for what's to come, and I think they will be plenty powerful once we start having invisible scouts running around...

I dont thick the entire scout class is intended for cloaking, maybe a special scout suit but not the entire class.

I wpuldnt mind their being a bigger difference between scout and assault agility and speed im sure in the name of making the scout more viable the difference between assault and scoit should be 15% since the scout is borderline abuse of hit detection I would sugest droping the assault speed until the scout is 15% faster. I wpuld also not mind assault getting a 10% difference between draw speed and relaod speed. So a couple of minor tweaks to acheive a 15% difference between their speed rather than 10% and a 10% difference between assaults and scouts draw speed and reload speed.

That would be a fair tweak to scouts tweaking assaults and scouts speeds so they reach those difference between their agility and speed

Just with heavies and tanks, you just need to know your role. Charging an AR headfirst will get you killed. Charging a HMG headfirst will get you killed...charging anything that is not a SMG or Sniper Rifle will get you killed, and even these can kill you. As a scout you do two things: stay hidden (sniper) and flank (CQC). Although I find sniping works better with an assault suit. More equipment and health and while sniping the speed bonus doesn't help. Assaults might get spotted easier, though.

I use my CQC scout almost exclusively, and while I never really make a match without dying, I can rack up a lot of kills and other WP. Last Skirmish I had roughly 3000WP at 27/7 KDR. Scouts work.

One thing I give you: ARs range is too much right now. But if you play smart, you can easily kill them. You just have to get close.


Yes, assaults make better snipers. But scouts are beastly in CQC with a shotgun. You can't get a better performance in CQC than with a scout.

I was looking at the various top end suits- the prototype suit versions (there are 2 for each class).

I'd really love for someone to double check this for me, because maybe I was dreaming. Not really sure, but this is what I saw:


Proto Logi (most expensive version) - 111K ISK
Sprint speed: 7.4 m/s
Proto Scout (most expensive version)- 100K ISK
Sprint speed: 7.7 m/s

I misread that, right? Someone tell me that this isn't true, and that I was looking at the wrong numbers (or if it is true, that CCP did this on accident and will be changing it). I hope I was dreaming. I hope I get flamed for getting this wrong, because my mind will explode if this is right.