What about faster reload faster draw faster regen move stamina does that not matter to you?

I think inreasing kick from holding the trigger would balance them realistically. They still be good at medium range and kick wouldn't screw with their cqc however it would make people use twice as much ammo or controlled burst for long AR work which would be realistic and you wont have people withering under AR fire from 100m out

To put it simply, the scout has more disadvantage than advantage. You get a minor increase in stealth capabilities and an almost imperceptible increase in speed, but you have to trade out a significant amount of HP, CPU, PG, and even lose some fitting space to get that tiny bump.

I've played almost entirely scout for about 3 months now, and even paid for the merc pack almost solely for the Dragonfly, but I won't touch it now.... there's just no logical reason to justify using that piece of junk.

Definitely. The disadvantages you get with the scout far outweigh any possible advantage. And even then, like you said, the advantages are almost too low to notice. I've sprinted next to assaults many times, and I only barely beat them. It's strange.

The assualt is the only straight up offensive suit it is the only one that should get weapon related boost the scout should get speed and agility based bonuses. People need to adapt to the new hit detection faster isn't always better maybe your play style would be better suited to an assualt with those nano thing.

Huh? Yeah, I agree with you, which is why I'm confused as to why the scout suit sprints at 7.8m/s, and the assault at 7m/s. Not a big difference. Especially since the scout only has 2/3 of the CPU of the assault.

I have my shield ready for all the assault flaming arrows I'll get for this...

So, the last few builds it was always "the scout suit is OP", "I can't kill any scouts at close range", "the scout is too fast", etc. Now, these complaints were true, in the sense that scouts were really tough to kill, but it had nothing to do with the suit itself. It was all about hit detection.

Now that hit detection is fixed, the true nature of the scout suit has been revealed. It's garbage. Why?

The scout can sprint less than 10% faster than the assault on base stats, yet the assault has at least 50% or greater in hit points. Not only that, but the assault suit has much higher PG and CPU.

Look at the heavy. Pretty slow- it's sprint is like 2/3 of what the assault is, and to compensate they have double the hit points of the assault. There seems to be a risk/reward choice there that is logical. But for the scout, why would I want to run 9% faster just to give up at least 1/3 of the hitpoints and a lot of CPU and PG (I don't have the numbers in front of me, but it's a big difference). Not to mentions strafing speed is so low that the scout gives no advantage there, either.

Supposedly the signature profile is different for the scouts, but I haven't seen a difference in people spotting me between the suits (with my profile sig as low as I can get it). Scouts are smaller in stature, but that makes a very minor difference- certainly not enough to make up for the scout's definicies.

Scouts should be able to sneak, use ninja like tactics, be felt but not seen. Currently (and hopefully it's coming) none of that is there.

Please consider buffing the scout so it makes sense to play. Right now it offers almost no distinct advantages.

Let the flaming begin!

Honestly - the only feedback I'm going to accept as valid are from people that actually use the things that members of the community say are broken. Otherwise, how are we supposed to know if it's legit feedback or "it's easy to kill so keep it that way"?

Honestly - the only feedback I'm going to accept as valid are from people that actually use the things that members of the community say are broken. Otherwise, how are we supposed to know if it's legit feedback or "it's easy to kill so keep it that way"?

If you read the description, it appears that one of the main things that the scout is intended for is to be compatible with the stealth and cloaking technologies that they plan to add someday. So I look at the current scount as a framework for what's to come, and I think they will be plenty powerful once we start having invisible scouts running around...

I dont thick the entire scout class is intended for cloaking, maybe a special scout suit but not the entire class.

I wpuldnt mind their being a bigger difference between scout and assault agility and speed im sure in the name of making the scout more viable the difference between assault and scoit should be 15% since the scout is borderline abuse of hit detection I would sugest droping the assault speed until the scout is 15% faster. I wpuld also not mind assault getting a 10% difference between draw speed and relaod speed. So a couple of minor tweaks to acheive a 15% difference between their speed rather than 10% and a 10% difference between assaults and scouts draw speed and reload speed.

That would be a fair tweak to scouts tweaking assaults and scouts speeds so they reach those difference between their agility and speed

Just with heavies and tanks, you just need to know your role. Charging an AR headfirst will get you killed. Charging a HMG headfirst will get you killed...charging anything that is not a SMG or Sniper Rifle will get you killed, and even these can kill you. As a scout you do two things: stay hidden (sniper) and flank (CQC). Although I find sniping works better with an assault suit. More equipment and health and while sniping the speed bonus doesn't help. Assaults might get spotted easier, though.

I use my CQC scout almost exclusively, and while I never really make a match without dying, I can rack up a lot of kills and other WP. Last Skirmish I had roughly 3000WP at 27/7 KDR. Scouts work.

One thing I give you: ARs range is too much right now. But if you play smart, you can easily kill them. You just have to get close.


Yes, assaults make better snipers. But scouts are beastly in CQC with a shotgun. You can't get a better performance in CQC than with a scout.

I was looking at the various top end suits- the prototype suit versions (there are 2 for each class).

I'd really love for someone to double check this for me, because maybe I was dreaming. Not really sure, but this is what I saw:


Proto Logi (most expensive version) - 111K ISK
Sprint speed: 7.4 m/s
Proto Scout (most expensive version)- 100K ISK
Sprint speed: 7.7 m/s

I misread that, right? Someone tell me that this isn't true, and that I was looking at the wrong numbers (or if it is true, that CCP did this on accident and will be changing it). I hope I was dreaming. I hope I get flamed for getting this wrong, because my mind will explode if this is right.