At the beginning I also used only starter fits, since I wanted to spend my ISK on skill books. I was not making much ISK with them, but once I had most of the skills I wanted, I spent ISK on equipment and also died less (because of the better equipment and the skills learned), thus making more ISK. The starter fits might not be as versatile as militia suits (since there are only 4), but they are exactly as efficient (since they ARE militia fits). You can also easily modify an existing starter fit (for example switch the AR with a militia shotgun) and make a really cheap fit that suits your needs (you then only have to pay for the weapon). The only limitation is that you can't remove starter fit items, only replace them. (And sadly starter fits now all use the assault suit)


Starter fits don't cost anything. I use one that I edited to use a standard sniper rifle. I only pay for the rifle.

Dude! I fail to understand how you loose so many suits and not have enough Isk to buy more! Are you going positive or negative in the games? I dont mean to be rude but if you dont have enough isk to buy militia stuff you probably want to find a corp that will train you!

Only to an extent. If you're really terrible at something, it makes sense that it wouldn't be a sustainable activity. If you really want to learn that specialization, you can do something that earns you cash and then use that cash to fund your learning curve. Sure you'll be losing money at first, but there are always start-up costs when you're trying to create a new business. And sometimes that business fails, and you have to get over it and do something else.

Are you sure? Because that would seem to defeat the purpose of making militia items cost ISK. It would also create a third and very odd classification of gear, Non-BPO items that when grouped together become BPO.

Are you sure? Because that would seem to defeat the purpose of making militia items cost ISK. It would also create a third and very odd classification of gear, Non-BPO items that when grouped together become BPO.

The reason I'm not doing good with it is because it's the underdog specialization at the moment. Three things are playing into the difficulty aspect of this - and subsequently the reason why I'm not doing as well as I should with the Close Quarters Scout.

1.) Bullets slow you down when they hit you.
2.) Hit detection system was improved (dramatically).
3.) Strafe speeds were nerfed - and I don't think they're dynamic. Essentially what I mean by that is that a scout suit strafes at the same speed(s) as a heavy.

So, I think it's important to balance test this. The issue with not being able to afford militia gear came as a consequence of the larger issue which I have mentioned in a completely different (but very much related) thread.

I agree it's important to balance test that, but what I mean is that, as a matter of cost-balance, dying as much as you're dying shouldn't (in the final build) be a result of specialization itself, but rather of poor execution within the specialization. It may be annoying that the suits cost too much for you right now to be an effective tester of that build, but that doesn't mean the costs need to be lowered.

The point of making militia items cost money was to create a cost for customizing a fit. You can use the starter fits until the cows come home, but they're limited. The modules on the starter fits are identical to the militia modules of the same name, but highlighted in yellow which means they can't be removed from the suit. You can put a different item in that slot, but if you remove it then it goes back to the default module.

So right now you can't afford the fit you want to specialize in. Either the fit you want to specialize in is really ineffective, or your support skills aren't good enough yet to make it viable. The answer is to play with the freebie fits until you can rank up the relevant skills. Since the patch dropped I've trained nothing but tanking skills, light weapon sharpshooter and a couple levels in laser rifles. Starting out I did buy a stack of shield modules to put on one of the starter fits to make it a bit more effective, but if I ran out I'd just reset the fit back to its default state and continue fighting for free.

That's a nice story but it still doesn't address the issue at hand lol. Some players are simply not going to be able/want to purchase Aurum and if they hit a situation like this where they're stonewalled into using Starter Fits just to get enough ISK for their skill books.

I've now exhausted all of my suits and don't have the ISK to afford all militia gear - despite having a permanent Dragonfly suit and Toxin Submachine Gun.

After these last five suits I will be down to using the starter gear.

Anyone else having this issue?

EDIT: Deleted my starter gear to see what happens when I can't afford militia gear and have no starter suits. Beta testing like a pro xD

i'm sorry i didn't make it more easily understood....someone do the math for me.... how much does 200 aurum cost for an otherwise free to play game... they gave you 50 of all the things you would need in order to get a bank rolling.

So, it is cater to the people who aren't playing the game with an sp cap for those that do and on top of that to then cater to the people who can't pony up $10-20 or balance their checkbook/bottom line.

It's too early in the build to say that a close quarters scout isn't viable. In eve AHACs aren't viable with low skills, but once you've trained up the skills to make it work they're great. With the current game mechanics it could be that the CQ scout is something that requires shield management 4 and complex extenders, with high level smg / shotgun skills.

Or, you could be just plain bad at that role :)

But is it poor execution on my part or is it the game mechanics in and of themselves? I don't see any other Close Quarters Scouts out on the field anymore - the be completely honest and I think there's a reason O_o;

What I'm saying is that it doesn't matter which one it is for the purpose of this discussion. We're not talking about whether close-quarters scout is (or even should be) a viable class, we're talking about the cost of militia suits. And the cost of militia suits should assume that if you're losing a lot it's because you're not playing very well--because you have a bad fit, because you've chosen a bad specialization, or because you're just not cut out for the battlefield.

Personally I'm not trying to worry about using superior equipment or gear at the moment. I have it set up nicely enough where I can comfortably afford my skills and skill books and properly devote the skill points to them evenly as needed. If you are having an issue with maintaining the necessary equipment then that is on you. They have clearly raised the bar on how much ISK you acquire per battle. Maybe you are over expending yourself? Purchasing skill books, or better equipment when you should be purchasing what you can afford? Which is why I have it set up where I am using all BPO (Blueprint Originals) for my single all-purpose shock trooper loadout. Then again I have enough faith my own skills to afford the luxury in knowing I will still out perform the average mercenary.

Still nonetheless you as a player/mercenary/Duster must learn to balance your accounts. Look at it like real life; if you cannot balance your own check books and money in real life well you are absolutly going to be screwed (putting it nicely) in Dust514. This is certainly something that EVE and Dust514 helps to teach better then most parents, or schools. Real life lessons in how to balance your books. Yup. Manage your assets wisely -- that is the ultimate message here.

There are a few of them around. I've been one-shotted by a few shotgun toting scouts, though it could have been dumb luck on the scout's part. Profile reducing skills / mods might help you survive long enough to get into high cover areas where you'll have an advantage, and to disengage when the fight turns against you.

It's militia gear O_o; how can someone be expected to go into the more expensive gear if they can barely afford to use militia gear? The fact that I have the Dragonfly suit and the Toxin SMG - both with permanent durability - is a god send. I wouldn't normally have that if I didn't invest in the merc pack.

In fact, for the sake of this test, I'm going to stop using them and see what happens to the isk cost.

You ask that question like you have never seen anyone ever use a credit card before. Ha-ha. Seriously this relates to real life a lot. I've seen plenty of people purchase or use higher tiered equipment they cannot properly afford soley on the basis that they believe they'll do better, and it ends up bankrupting them. Sort of a kin to your predicament. You are having trouble even staying afloat. Why? That is on you personally. It's a "you" sort of problem. I have my own path and plan and it works very well for me. I have the same bundle you do though and so do many more people. The problem with this build is that the 'Scout' is gimpy if not gimmicky this build. It's lost almost all of its frontline potential (which I had used it for) and is almost a liability in any situation outside of medium to long distance range.

If you have any of the 'Skinweave' dropsuits use them instead. I use the 'Skinweave' 'assault' class dropsuit, and do very well most rounds -- provided the match making does not throw me into an already in-progress match. Which is lame.

Do try not to be so vicious toward other players who don't have the same mentality as you. It makes you look very close-minded.

First off please don't tell me how to behave, they have mods for that. And you then go on to tell me I am probably close minded....

Second that was not vicious, if I wanted it to be vicious it would have started off like so many posts around here.... (not directed at you specifically and only replying to Aeon, for others reading this since ccp can't be bothered to put in who this is in reply to)

AGAIN this is what it would like if I was vicious and close minded........What are you to poor or cheap to afford $5.00 how did you get a ps3 in the first place... how are you paying for internet... is this the reason why I am dealing with lag becuase some cheap person is gaming with a 1G (you know before 3G or even 4G) wireless hotspot?

In related news, a large portion of the population has trouble managing their finances.