What will probably happen when we get full market functionality is that people will sell the militia BPOs on the market, effectively buying isk the same what that Eve players sell plex for isk. You'll be able to get these things without AUR, I have no doubt.

I'm not the only one with this issue - and you're still avoiding my point (and the point of this thread entirely) in that not everyone is going to be have these options. The Merc Pack gear had to be purchased, the Skinweave suits had to be earned through beta testing.

Even then - why would I use the Skinweave Suit which is comparable to a Militia suit... When I can use the Dragonfly which is comparable to a Standard suit...?

At which point we revolve back to my previous argument that not everyone is going to have it and the fact that I'm saving isk by using it is showing just how pressing of an issue we have here.

What will probably happen when we get full market functionality is that people will sell the militia BPOs on the market, effectively buying isk the same way that Eve players sell plex for isk. You'll be able to get these things without AUR, I have no doubt.

Now if you want to discuss whether or not the ISK also has a degredation effect this build like skil points, then discuss that. Otherwise this whole thread boils down to a "you the player" sort of problem. Is that harsh? Maybe, but then again so is New Eden, and the EVE universe. Balance your assets, and plan, plan, plan. If you are not five steps ahead on what you need or want to do then you are three steps back too far, and this game will devour you.

To answer all of your questions:

1.) The Dragonfly and Toxin suits are free - yes - but militia gear now costs per unit and the costs are rather high. My current fit is around 14,000 isk and I'm making around 90,000 - 120,000 isk a game.

2.) I am in a Corporation as can be seen beneath my name on the left, and just happen to be one of the primary squad leaders ^_^;;;

3.) I shouldn't have to get a hand-out from my corporation. What were to happen if I weren't in a corporation and were more of an introverted solo player?

4.) I don't intend to use Aurum for BPO items for two reasons. a.) because it seems pay-to-win. b.) I'm trying to simulate a player that would not normally have access to those things as not all players will invest in Aurum to play the game.

Edit: I'd imagine I would be a lot better off if I had went into one of my former specializations that I had used in previous builds as I had always had a kill-to-death ratio of above two-to-one. However, I am trying to simulate a player who isn't as skilled and thusly am going with the most difficult specialization this build has to offer which is the Close Quarters Scout build.

With this in mind, if a skilled player can't at least remain in the positives in both ISK and combat effectiveness, we can't honestly expect someone fresh to be able to do so - at this point the player would probably just quit but I've got a pretty obtuse resolve for trying to make it work xD

I'm a Capsuleer. You're preaching to choir. However, this is still a game - and as a game it has to at least allow new players to be able to play with something more than their starter fits. Six months to a year down the line when all of the Beta Testers have Advanced/Prototype gear new players are already going to have a disadvantage, that's fine, but forcing them to exhaust all of their effort on a losing battle and having to pay for it is an entirely different matter.

They -HAVE- the option but they should not -NEED- the option. Get over yourself.

A new player doesn't need BPOs though, because they have the unlimited newbie fits. Play 4 or 5 decent matches in those and you'll probably have enough to buy a BPO with isk if you really, really need it. There will be a cap to how high prices can rise, based on the (fluctuating) USD value of isk in eve.

Lord you are a whiny brat. You say you are a "capsuleer", but you act like a child. Get over myself? Stop acting like it's not the player's own fault, or for that matter in your own predicament, your own fault. Stop blaming the game. They have the options infront of them, and their will be aleternative answers in ways to acquire said items.

Sir/ma'am, Get on my Level.

FORGET your KDR prison.

I just use the starter fits that cost ZERO ISK.
KDR is not in the positives but then do you honestly expect to be level one in MAG, MW, COD, etc and one shot everything being a BEGINNER??

Every build as a NOOB BEGINNER my KDR is .2 and then as skills go up I slowly get a better KDR until I am positive KDR but! still using MILITIA/Starter fits that cost ZERO ISK.

Right now I have purchased a lot of skillbooks but have ISK left over and purchased ten Sicas, ten Somas, ten madrugars, ten gunnlogi, three Suryas, three Sagaris, contemplating either buying some black ops HAVs or starting some Corporations for kicks.

Hope this helps??

But is it poor execution on my part or is it the game mechanics in and of themselves? I don't see any other Close Quarters Scouts out on the field anymore - the be completely honest and I think there's a reason O_o;

Okay. Look I'm gonna make this simple. It's on the player themselves. Simple as that. Stop making excuses for everything. Avoiding? No. I have answered this twice now. You say well some people won't have this or that option. Well the truth is that you can always purchase the AUR, or look at the player market to purchase AUR or BPO iterms for your ISK. In the end ISK will always be more valuable then AUR, and players want more and more ISK. If you are having issues look at yourself, and what you are doing wrong. Also the 'Dragonfly' which I have spent over a hundred hours using alone is a good dropsuit, but like any piece of equipment or gear it is only as good as the player behind wielding it.

[Player skill > Passive character skills > equipment & gear]

Also the 'Skinweave' dropsuits are a fantastic dropsuit especially early on, and for most combat incursions. It's on the player though in the end. The real difference between higher tier dropsuits is slots, PG (Power Grid) and CPU (Central Processing Unit) power output. Again all which can be manipulated by passive skills.

Just be thankful that CCP was kind enough to give everyone pre-loaded infinite loadouts for your character classification which to fall back on. Because, I doubt I'd have been that kind.

Now if you want to discuss whether or not the ISK also has a degredation effect this build like skil points, then discuss that. Otherwise this whole thread boils down to a "you the player" sort of problem. Is that harsh? Maybe, but then again so is New Eden, and the EVE universe. Balance your assets, and plan, plan, plan. If you are not five steps ahead on what you need or want to do then you are three steps back too far, and this game will devour you.

I played a few rounds with you this build and I have to say you are pretty decent. Especially at what matters most -- the team objective and winning.

Okay. Look I'm gonna make this simple. It's on the player themselves. Simple as that. Stop making excuses for everything. Avoiding? No. I have answered this twice now. You say well some people won't have this or that option. Well the truth is that you can always purchase the AUR, or look at the player market to purchase AUR or BPO iterms for your ISK. In the end ISK will always be more valuable then AUR, and players want more and more ISK. If you are having issues look at yourself, and what you are doing wrong. Also the 'Dragonfly' which I have spent over a hundred hours using alone is a good dropsuit, but like any piece of equipment or gear it is only as good as the player behind wielding it.

[Player skill > Passive character skills > equipment & gear]

Also the 'Skinweave' dropsuits are a fantastic dropsuit especially early on, and for most combat incursions. It's on the player though in the end. The real difference between higher tier dropsuits is slots, PG (Power Grid) and CPU (Central Processing Unit) power output. Again all which can be manipulated by passive skills.

Just be thankful that CCP was kind enough to give everyone pre-loaded infinite loadouts for your character classification which to fall back on. Because, I doubt I'd have been that kind.

Now if you want to discuss whether or not the ISK also has a degredation effect this build like skil points, then discuss that. Otherwise this whole thread boils down to a "you the player" sort of problem. Is that harsh? Maybe, but then again so is New Eden, and the EVE universe. Balance your assets, and plan, plan, plan. If you are not five steps ahead on what you need or want to do then you are three steps back too far, and this game will devour you.

As long as you use Dragonfly + Tox alone, or starter fits, you are losing nothing, or am I missing something?

And a militia fit is what? 5000 ISK or less for a complete fit? You earn that much for joining a match 10sec from the end and not do anything...

My Assault fit uses 50 of:
Militia Sheld Regen
Militia Shield Boost
Militia Assault Rifle
Militia Sub Machine Gun
Militia Locus Grenade
Militia Nanohive
Militia Armor Regen

lost 3 one game. cost to restock: over half the ISK reward

I would love for someone else to give input on the CQC Scout but I don't see anyone playing them to be completely honest.

Of course you don't see the CQC Scout. The majority of the maps are hilly plains (oxymoron). One team on one side, one on the other, and you have hills in-between. You don't go using CQC suits when you're fighting long range maps. You do use CQC suits when you're in a building, or Close Quarters.

I've now exhausted all of my suits and don't have the ISK to afford all militia gear - despite having a permanent Dragonfly suit and Toxin Submachine Gun.

I've now exhausted all of my suits and don't have the ISK to afford all militia gear - despite having a permanent Dragonfly suit and Toxin Submachine Gun.

After these last five suits I will be down to using the starter gear.

Anyone else having this issue?

EDIT: Deleted my starter gear to see what happens when I can't afford militia gear and have no starter suits. Beta testing like a pro xD

starter gear is what's best to use when your low on ISK. if you delete em, well you just won't be able to get in when you run out

though it does suck that milita gear isn't infinite anymore. but it makes sense, they need some kind of income right?

mostly the only way you can get by is being selective in how you spend ISK

You can always recreate the starter fits. I also deleted tham. I don't need to have them in my list. When I need them again, I can just create a new one.

Guys, I think I have news for you. I just went to the game to check some of the numbers given in this thread, I was suprised by what I found. Seems like there is a bug in the build when it comes to calculating prices for restocking. When restocking most milita items from the fitting menu, the game will charge you the isk price they had last build, when they were still BPO by default. For example, you are charged >10k isk to restock a single milita scout drop suit, while the actual price for buying it on the market is less than 700 isk. This explains why the OP is spending 14k isk on a milita fitting, because it shouldn't be more than 3-4k in reality.

Tl/dr: advise for everybody who is running out of isk: don't restock milita items from the fitting menu, buy them directly on the market instead.

nice, one bug squash.

So this is why my basic assault set cost me like 14k

i know you can, he just wanted to find out what happens after deleting em, and i'm just saying after that, all you have is exhaustible stuff. and when they exhaust, thats it