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Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
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Posted - 2012.10.03 17:16:00 -
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EDIT:
Confirmed bug. Edited thread title/material accordingly and started new thread in the appropriate sub-forum. |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
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Posted - 2012.10.03 17:19:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:I've now exhausted all of my suits and don't have the ISK to afford all militia gear - despite having a permanent Dragonfly suit and Submachine Gun.
After these last five suits I will be down to using the starter gear.
Anyone else having this issue?
Dude! I fail to understand how you loose so many suits and not have enough Isk to buy more! Are you going positive or negative in the games? I dont mean to be rude but if you dont have enough isk to buy militia stuff you probably want to find a corp that will train you! |
Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
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Posted - 2012.10.03 17:20:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:I've now exhausted all of my suits and don't have the ISK to afford all militia gear - despite having a permanent Dragonfly suit and Submachine Gun.
After these last five suits I will be down to using the starter gear.
Anyone else having this issue? Dude! I fail to understand how you loose so many suits and not have enough Isk to buy more! Are you going positive or negative in the games? I dont mean to be rude but if you dont have enough isk to buy militia stuff you probably want to find a corp that will train you!
Nah - had a 3.85 kill death ratio (average) last build but my current fit (close quarters specialization) doesn't warrant much success with the new hit detection system combined with a variety of other issues. just noticed this problem recently and decided to press it and see what happened. |
Mira Adari
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.10.03 17:22:00 -
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You can easily recreate the starter fits. Just select the Assault - XXX suit when creating a new fit, instant starter fit.
Also: Dragonfly suit + Tox SMG are a valid fit. You should be able to earn a few ISK with that. |
dent 308
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.10.03 17:23:00 -
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Last build I went full on smg. That doesn't seem to fit with this build. I am adapting and trying a medium range fit. |
Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2012.10.03 17:24:00 -
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dent 308 wrote:Last build I went full on smg. That doesn't seem to fit with this build. I am adapting and trying a medium range fit.
S'what I'm doing. I specialized AV because it was very difficult to utilize last build so this build I'm going nightmare mode. |
Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
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Posted - 2012.10.03 17:25:00 -
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Mira Adari wrote:You can easily recreate the starter fits. Just select the Assault - XXX suit when creating a new fit, instant starter fit.
Also: Dragonfly suit + Tox SMG are a valid fit. You should be able to earn a few ISK with that.
Not enough to cover my losses it seems |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.10.03 17:25:00 -
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Between Losing suits and buying new skills I can be in the same position as this guy. |
Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2012.10.03 17:32:00 -
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Officially out of suits and can't afford to restock |
Mira Adari
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.10.03 17:34:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Mira Adari wrote:You can easily recreate the starter fits. Just select the Assault - XXX suit when creating a new fit, instant starter fit.
Also: Dragonfly suit + Tox SMG are a valid fit. You should be able to earn a few ISK with that. Not enough to cover my losses it seems As long as you use Dragonfly + Tox alone, or starter fits, you are losing nothing, or am I missing something?
And a militia fit is what? 5000 ISK or less for a complete fit? You earn that much for joining a match 10sec from the end and not do anything... |
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4447
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.10.03 17:36:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Officially out of suits and can't afford to restock
have you talked to your corp? |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
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Posted - 2012.10.03 17:36:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Officially out of suits and can't afford to restock
Do you have the MAG pack? That should help! What you could do is use the dragonfly and toxin and spawn in a game. Wait at the back till the game gets over. That will give you ISK to restock. I know its a BS move but it would work.
Do you belong to a corp that has good squad leaders? Or do you know anyone that makes a good squad leader and fraggo stuff?
Last night I got a good squad leader and we were making between 200K ISK to 450K ISP per person in almost all games.
Might be a good way to start there. |
843 pano
843 Boot Camp
200
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Posted - 2012.10.03 17:37:00 -
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No AUR for BPO items?
Been playing with all BPO stuff and it's pretty good. |
Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
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Posted - 2012.10.03 17:42:00 -
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To answer all of your questions:
1.) The Dragonfly and Toxin suits are free - yes - but militia gear now costs per unit and the costs are rather high. My current fit is around 14,000 isk and I'm making around 90,000 - 120,000 isk a game.
2.) I am in a Corporation as can be seen beneath my name on the left, and just happen to be one of the primary squad leaders ^_^;;;
3.) I shouldn't have to get a hand-out from my corporation. What were to happen if I weren't in a corporation and were more of an introverted solo player?
4.) I don't intend to use Aurum for BPO items for two reasons. a.) because it seems pay-to-win. b.) I'm trying to simulate a player that would not normally have access to those things as not all players will invest in Aurum to play the game.
Edit: I'd imagine I would be a lot better off if I had went into one of my former specializations that I had used in previous builds as I had always had a kill-to-death ratio of above two-to-one. However, I am trying to simulate a player who isn't as skilled and thusly am going with the most difficult specialization this build has to offer which is the Close Quarters Scout build.
With this in mind, if a skilled player can't at least remain in the positives in both ISK and combat effectiveness, we can't honestly expect someone fresh to be able to do so - at this point the player would probably just quit but I've got a pretty obtuse resolve for trying to make it work xD |
4447
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.10.03 17:46:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:To answer all of your questions:
1.) The Dragonfly and Toxin suits are free - yes - but militia gear now costs per unit and the costs are rather high. My current fit is around 14,000 isk and I'm making around 90,000 - 120,000 isk a game.
2.) I am in a Corporation as can be seen beneath my name on the left, and just happen to be one of the primary squad leaders ^_^;;;
3.) I shouldn't have to get a hand-out from my corporation. What were to happen if I weren't in a corporation and were more of an introverted solo player?
4.) I don't intend to use Aurum for BPO items for two reasons. a.) because it seems pay-to-win. b.) I'm trying to simulate a player that would not normally have access to those things as not all players will invest in Aurum to play the game.
4447 sits down Aeon...
"you know Aeon, your just going have to get better..."
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843 pano
843 Boot Camp
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Posted - 2012.10.03 17:54:00 -
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understood, enjoy your testing and I look forward to your reports. |
YoUnGcUz
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.10.03 17:57:00 -
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buy BPO militia gear if u got aur |
Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2012.10.03 18:00:00 -
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YoUnGcUz wrote:buy BPO militia gear if u got aur
Read previous posts. |
REGNUM CODEX DEI
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Posted - 2012.10.03 18:01:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:I've now exhausted all of my suits and don't have the ISK to afford all militia gear - despite having a permanent Dragonfly suit and Toxin Submachine Gun.
After these last five suits I will be down to using the starter gear.
Anyone else having this issue?
EDIT: Deleted my starter gear to see what happens when I can't afford militia gear and have no starter suits. Beta testing like a pro xD
your rally bad lol |
Mira Adari
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.10.03 18:02:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:To answer all of your questions:
1.) The Dragonfly and Toxin suits are free - yes - but militia gear now costs per unit and the costs are rather high. My current fit is around 14,000 isk and I'm making around 90,000 - 120,000 isk a game.
2.) I am in a Corporation as can be seen beneath my name on the left, and just happen to be one of the primary squad leaders ^_^;;;
3.) I shouldn't have to get a hand-out from my corporation. What were to happen if I weren't in a corporation and were more of an introverted solo player?
4.) I don't intend to use Aurum for BPO items for two reasons. a.) because it seems pay-to-win. b.) I'm trying to simulate a player that would not normally have access to those things as not all players will invest in Aurum to play the game.
Edit: I'd imagine I would be a lot better off if I had went into one of my former specializations that I had used in previous builds as I had always had a kill-to-death ratio of above two-to-one. However, I am trying to simulate a player who isn't as skilled and thusly am going with the most difficult specialization this build has to offer which is the Close Quarters Scout build.
With this in mind, if a skilled player can't at least remain in the positives in both ISK and combat effectiveness, we can't honestly expect someone fresh to be able to do so - at this point the player would probably just quit but I've got a pretty obtuse resolve for trying to make it work xD I have a closed quarter scout suit with a shotgun, and while he dies in seconds, he also is very fast. I can take out groups of up to three people with it, depending on how well prepared I am, how they are positioned, the terrain (and lady luck of course). But I don't use it exclusively. It all depends on the situation. But even with a 14000 ISK fit, you can die about 8-12 times in a match and still stay positive. Even I can do that with my scout alone, and I would not describe myself as the most skilled player (together with my horrible latency of up to 2s).
And as I said, you can ALWAYS recreate the starter fits, if you deleted them. There is never a situation where you can't play because you don't have the ISK to afford a fit, just like you always have a rookie ship in EVE.
And if the class you chose doesn't work for you, field something else. Even the stupidest player will get behind that, so you don't need to simulate someone who doesn't |
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2012.10.03 18:05:00 -
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Mira Adari wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:To answer all of your questions:
1.) The Dragonfly and Toxin suits are free - yes - but militia gear now costs per unit and the costs are rather high. My current fit is around 14,000 isk and I'm making around 90,000 - 120,000 isk a game.
2.) I am in a Corporation as can be seen beneath my name on the left, and just happen to be one of the primary squad leaders ^_^;;;
3.) I shouldn't have to get a hand-out from my corporation. What were to happen if I weren't in a corporation and were more of an introverted solo player?
4.) I don't intend to use Aurum for BPO items for two reasons. a.) because it seems pay-to-win. b.) I'm trying to simulate a player that would not normally have access to those things as not all players will invest in Aurum to play the game.
Edit: I'd imagine I would be a lot better off if I had went into one of my former specializations that I had used in previous builds as I had always had a kill-to-death ratio of above two-to-one. However, I am trying to simulate a player who isn't as skilled and thusly am going with the most difficult specialization this build has to offer which is the Close Quarters Scout build.
With this in mind, if a skilled player can't at least remain in the positives in both ISK and combat effectiveness, we can't honestly expect someone fresh to be able to do so - at this point the player would probably just quit but I've got a pretty obtuse resolve for trying to make it work xD I have a closed quarter scout suit with a shotgun, and while he dies in seconds, he also is very fast. I can take out groups of up to three people with it, depending on how well prepared I am, how they are positioned, the terrain (and lady luck of course). But I don't use it exclusively. It all depends on the situation. But even with a 14000 ISK fit, you can die about 12 times in a match and still stay positive. Even I can do that with my scout alone, and I would not describe myself as the most skilled player (together with my horrible latency of up to 2s). And as I said, you can ALWAYS recreate the starter fits, if you deleted them. There is never a situation where you can't play because you don't have the ISK to afford a fit, just like you always have a rookie ship in EVE. And if the class you chose doesn't work for you, field something else. Even the stupidest player will get behind that, so you don't need to simulate someone who doesn't
Two issues with that:
1.) Not so much 12 fits as 6-7. It's very difficult to get ISK when you're not contributing as much as the next guy x-x; 2.) True about fielding something - BUT - you shouldn't -have- to do that. A player should be able to specialize in what they want, not what they have to. |
Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2012.10.03 18:06:00 -
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REGNUM CODEX DEI wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:I've now exhausted all of my suits and don't have the ISK to afford all militia gear - despite having a permanent Dragonfly suit and Toxin Submachine Gun.
After these last five suits I will be down to using the starter gear.
Anyone else having this issue?
EDIT: Deleted my starter gear to see what happens when I can't afford militia gear and have no starter suits. Beta testing like a pro xD your rally bad lol
Read the rest of the thread please. |
Wakko03
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2012.10.03 18:08:00 -
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& CCP wants to make money.... 200 Aurum out of the 40,000 I got and I am sitting on 5 million isk.....which will be eaten by attempt to go into dropships again.
I'm guessing your Logi guys weren't able to revive you.
Once I had 2 mil in the bank, I started using Basic gear that I had enough SP to unlock..... from there my ISK went up to the 250,000 mark, with a good squad leader, even with basic and dying a ton in games I still made money somehow. |
Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2012.10.03 18:13:00 -
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Wakko03 wrote:& CCP wants to make money.... 200 Aurum out of the 40,000 I got and I am sitting on 5 million isk.....which will be eaten by attempt to go into dropships again.
I'm guessing your Logi guys weren't able to revive you.
Once I had 2 mil in the bank, I started using Basic gear that I had enough SP to unlock..... from there my ISK went up to the 250,000 mark, with a good squad leader, even with basic and dying a ton in games I still made money somehow.
That's a nice story but it still doesn't address the issue at hand lol. Some players are simply not going to be able/want to purchase Aurum and if they hit a situation like this where they're stonewalled into using Starter Fits just to get enough ISK for their skill books. |
Kristoff Atruin
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.10.03 18:17:00 -
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Spend less isk until you get better skills, that's all there is to it. I'm far from a hardcore player and I had over 15 million isk at the end of the last build, and I'm sitting on 2 million right now. I mostly use the starter fits, or modified militia fits that cost me around 5000 isk per death. The only time I wind up spending most of my isk earned in a match replacing my losses is when I say **** it and go hog wild with laser rifles the whole match. Because lazorz are awesome. |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
969
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Posted - 2012.10.03 18:17:00 -
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What some folks don't realize is that your starter fits DO cost ISK now. Nothing is free anymore.
You can purchase the old Militia BPO's from previous builds with AUR, but he is testing what would happen to a new player who did not purchase the Merc pack.
The result is that it IS possible to run out of ISK and not be able to play.
Now I can see this happening to an average player if they went and spent most of thier ISK on skill books before stocking up on suits and then had a run of bad luck on the battlefield. |
Mira Adari
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.10.03 18:21:00 -
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At the beginning I also used only starter fits, since I wanted to spend my ISK on skill books. I was not making much ISK with them, but once I had most of the skills I wanted, I spent ISK on equipment and also died less (because of the better equipment and the skills learned), thus making more ISK. The starter fits might not be as versatile as militia suits (since there are only 4), but they are exactly as efficient (since they ARE militia fits). You can also easily modify an existing starter fit (for example switch the AR with a militia shotgun) and make a really cheap fit that suits your needs (you then only have to pay for the weapon). The only limitation is that you can't remove starter fit items, only replace them. (And sadly starter fits now all use the assault suit)
Skihids wrote:What some folks don't realize is that your starter fits DO cost ISK now. . Starter fits don't cost anything. I use one that I edited to use a standard sniper rifle. I only pay for the rifle. |
Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2012.10.03 18:24:00 -
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Kristoff Atruin wrote:Spend less isk until you get better skills, that's all there is to it. I'm far from a hardcore player and I had over 15 million isk at the end of the last build, and I'm sitting on 2 million right now. I mostly use the starter fits, or modified militia fits that cost me around 5000 isk per death. The only time I wind up spending most of my isk earned in a match replacing my losses is when I say **** it and go hog wild with laser rifles the whole match. Because lazorz are awesome.
It's all militia gear - it's not about spending less isk it's about being able to afford the baseline materials for the fit that I want to specialize in. |
Goric Rumis
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
80
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Posted - 2012.10.03 18:29:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:2.) True about fielding something - BUT - you shouldn't -have- to do that. A player should be able to specialize in what they want, not what they have to. Only to an extent. If you're really terrible at something, it makes sense that it wouldn't be a sustainable activity. If you really want to learn that specialization, you can do something that earns you cash and then use that cash to fund your learning curve. Sure you'll be losing money at first, but there are always start-up costs when you're trying to create a new business. And sometimes that business fails, and you have to get over it and do something else. |
Will Navidson2
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.10.03 18:29:00 -
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Aeon I do believe you can setup a starter fit again if "accidentally" deleted. Go in the fitting menu and build new suit, all starter suits should be there free of charge. I do understand the issue a CCP knows it too. I remember in another post it was stated if you can not make enough funds to keep your suits you will have to go back to starter fits. Starter fits will always be free and are available if they were deleted. |
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