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Rorek IronBlood
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Posted - 2012.10.03 19:13:00 -
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Personally I'm not trying to worry about using superior equipment or gear at the moment. I have it set up nicely enough where I can comfortably afford my skills and skill books and properly devote the skill points to them evenly as needed. If you are having an issue with maintaining the necessary equipment then that is on you. They have clearly raised the bar on how much ISK you acquire per battle. Maybe you are over expending yourself? Purchasing skill books, or better equipment when you should be purchasing what you can afford? Which is why I have it set up where I am using all BPO (Blueprint Originals) for my single all-purpose shock trooper loadout. Then again I have enough faith my own skills to afford the luxury in knowing I will still out perform the average mercenary.
Still nonetheless you as a player/mercenary/Duster must learn to balance your accounts. Look at it like real life; if you cannot balance your own check books and money in real life well you are absolutly going to be screwed (putting it nicely) in Dust514. This is certainly something that EVE and Dust514 helps to teach better then most parents, or schools. Real life lessons in how to balance your books. Yup. Manage your assets wisely -- that is the ultimate message here. |
Rorek IronBlood
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Posted - 2012.10.03 19:23:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Rorek IronBlood wrote:
Personally I'm not trying to worry about using superior equipment or gear at the moment. I have it set up nicely enough where I can comfortably afford my skills and skill books and properly devote the skill points to them evenly as needed. If you are having an issue with maintaining the necessary equipment then that is on you. They have clearly raised the bar on how much ISK you acquire per battle. Maybe you are over expending yourself? Purchasing skill books, or better equipment when you should be purchasing what you can afford? Which is why I have it set up where I am using all BPO (Blueprint Originals) for my single all-purpose shock trooper loadout. Then again I have enough faith my own skills to afford the luxury in knowing I will still out perform the average mercenary.
Still nonetheless you as a player/mercenary/Duster must learn to balance your accounts. Look at it like real life; if you cannot balance your own check books and money in real life well you are absolutly going to be screwed (putting it nicely) in Dust514. This is certainly something that EVE and Dust514 helps to teach better then most parents, or schools. Real life lessons in how to balance your books. Yup. Manage your assets wisely -- that is the ultimate message here.
It's militia gear O_o; how can someone be expected to go into the more expensive gear if they can barely afford to use militia gear? The fact that I have the Dragonfly suit and the Toxin SMG - both with permanent durability - is a god send. I wouldn't normally have that if I didn't invest in the merc pack. In fact, for the sake of this test, I'm going to stop using them and see what happens to the isk cost.
You ask that question like you have never seen anyone ever use a credit card before. Ha-ha. Seriously this relates to real life a lot. I've seen plenty of people purchase or use higher tiered equipment they cannot properly afford soley on the basis that they believe they'll do better, and it ends up bankrupting them. Sort of a kin to your predicament. You are having trouble even staying afloat. Why? That is on you personally. It's a "you" sort of problem. I have my own path and plan and it works very well for me. I have the same bundle you do though and so do many more people. The problem with this build is that the 'Scout' is gimpy if not gimmicky this build. It's lost almost all of its frontline potential (which I had used it for) and is almost a liability in any situation outside of medium to long distance range.
If you have any of the 'Skinweave' dropsuits use them instead. I use the 'Skinweave' 'assault' class dropsuit, and do very well most rounds -- provided the match making does not throw me into an already in-progress match. Which is lame. |
Rorek IronBlood
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Posted - 2012.10.03 19:47:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Rorek IronBlood wrote:
You ask that question like you have never seen anyone ever use a credit card before. Ha-ha. Seriously this relates to real life a lot. I've seen plenty of people purchase or use higher tiered equipment they cannot properly afford soley on the basis that they believe they'll do better, and it ends up bankrupting them. Sort of a kin to your predicament. You are having trouble even staying afloat. Why? That is on you personally. It's a "you" sort of problem. I have my own path and plan and it works very well for me. I have the same bundle you do though and so do many more people. The problem with this build is that the 'Scout' is gimpy if not gimmicky this build. It's lost almost all of its frontline potential (which I had used it for) and is almost a liability in any situation outside of medium to long distance range.
If you have any of the 'Skinweave' dropsuits use them instead. I use the 'Skinweave' 'assault' class dropsuit, and do very well most rounds -- provided the match making does not throw me into an already in-progress match. Which is lame.
I'm not the only one with this issue - and you're still avoiding my point (and the point of this thread entirely) in that not everyone is going to be have these options. The Merc Pack gear had to be purchased, the Skinweave suits had to be earned through beta testing. Even then - why would I use the Skinweave Suit which is comparable to a Militia suit... When I can use the Dragonfly which is comparable to a Standard suit...? At which point we revolve back to my previous argument that not everyone is going to have it and the fact that I'm saving isk by using it is showing just how pressing of an issue we have here.
Okay. Look I'm gonna make this simple. It's on the player themselves. Simple as that. Stop making excuses for everything. Avoiding? No. I have answered this twice now. You say well some people won't have this or that option. Well the truth is that you can always purchase the AUR, or look at the player market to purchase AUR or BPO iterms for your ISK. In the end ISK will always be more valuable then AUR, and players want more and more ISK. If you are having issues look at yourself, and what you are doing wrong. Also the 'Dragonfly' which I have spent over a hundred hours using alone is a good dropsuit, but like any piece of equipment or gear it is only as good as the player behind wielding it.
[Player skill > Passive character skills > equipment & gear]
Also the 'Skinweave' dropsuits are a fantastic dropsuit especially early on, and for most combat incursions. It's on the player though in the end. The real difference between higher tier dropsuits is slots, PG (Power Grid) and CPU (Central Processing Unit) power output. Again all which can be manipulated by passive skills.
Just be thankful that CCP was kind enough to give everyone pre-loaded infinite loadouts for your character classification which to fall back on. Because, I doubt I'd have been that kind.
Now if you want to discuss whether or not the ISK also has a degredation effect this build like skil points, then discuss that. Otherwise this whole thread boils down to a "you the player" sort of problem. Is that harsh? Maybe, but then again so is New Eden, and the EVE universe. Balance your assets, and plan, plan, plan. If you are not five steps ahead on what you need or want to do then you are three steps back too far, and this game will devour you. |
Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.10.03 19:50:00 -
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Kristoff Atruin wrote:What will probably happen when we get full market functionality is that people will sell the militia BPOs on the market, effectively buying isk the same way that Eve players sell plex for isk. You'll be able to get these things without AUR, I have no doubt.
Thank you, exactly what I said in both of yoru postings. People suck at finances, and balancing their books. People will certainly sell AUR and BPO niche' items for ISK.
[ISK > AUR] simple as that, no? |
Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.10.03 19:56:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Rorek IronBlood wrote: Now if you want to discuss whether or not the ISK also has a degredation effect this build like skil points, then discuss that. Otherwise this whole thread boils down to a "you the player" sort of problem. Is that harsh? Maybe, but then again so is New Eden, and the EVE universe. Balance your assets, and plan, plan, plan. If you are not five steps ahead on what you need or want to do then you are three steps back too far, and this game will devour you.
I'm a Capsuleer. You're preaching to choir. However, this is still a game - and as a game it has to at least allow new players to be able to play with something more than their starter fits. Six months to a year down the line when all of the Beta Testers have Advanced/Prototype gear new players are already going to have a disadvantage, that's fine, but forcing them to exhaust all of their effort on a losing battle and having to pay for it is an entirely different matter. They -HAVE- the option but they should not -NEED- the option. Get over yourself.
Lord you are a whiny brat. You say you are a "capsuleer", but you act like a child. Get over myself? Stop acting like it's not the player's own fault, or for that matter in your own predicament, your own fault. Stop blaming the game. They have the options infront of them, and their will be aleternative answers in ways to acquire said items.
Sir/ma'am, Get on my Level. |
Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.10.03 20:00:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:To answer all of your questions:
1.) The Dragonfly and Toxin suits are free - yes - but militia gear now costs per unit and the costs are rather high. My current fit is around 14,000 isk and I'm making around 90,000 - 120,000 isk a game.
2.) I am in a Corporation as can be seen beneath my name on the left, and just happen to be one of the primary squad leaders ^_^;;;
3.) I shouldn't have to get a hand-out from my corporation. What were to happen if I weren't in a corporation and were more of an introverted solo player?
4.) I don't intend to use Aurum for BPO items for two reasons. a.) because it seems pay-to-win. b.) I'm trying to simulate a player that would not normally have access to those things as not all players will invest in Aurum to play the game.
Edit: I'd imagine I would be a lot better off if I had went into one of my former specializations that I had used in previous builds as I had always had a kill-to-death ratio of above two-to-one. However, I am trying to simulate a player who isn't as skilled and thusly am going with the most difficult specialization this build has to offer which is the Close Quarters Scout build.
With this in mind, if a skilled player can't at least remain in the positives in both ISK and combat effectiveness, we can't honestly expect someone fresh to be able to do so - at this point the player would probably just quit but I've got a pretty obtuse resolve for trying to make it work xD FORGET your KDR prison. I just use the starter fits that cost ZERO ISK. KDR is not in the positives but then do you honestly expect to be level one in MAG, MW, COD, etc and one shot everything being a BEGINNER?? Every build as a NOOB BEGINNER my KDR is .2 and then as skills go up I slowly get a better KDR until I am positive KDR but! still using MILITIA/Starter fits that cost ZERO ISK. Right now I have purchased a lot of skillbooks but have ISK left over and purchased ten Sicas, ten Somas, ten madrugars, ten gunnlogi, three Suryas, three Sagaris, contemplating either buying some black ops HAVs or starting some Corporations for kicks. Hope this helps??
I played a few rounds with you this build and I have to say you are pretty decent. Especially at what matters most -- the team objective and winning. |
Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.10.03 20:58:00 -
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@ Tech Ohm Eaven,
Ha-ha. Not a prob. You helped save my skin a couple of times. Thank you though for the compliment. Hopefully I'll see you in-game and on my team soon again.
I'd reply to the peanut gallery, but really all I hear is your griefing and it makes me laugh aloud. Excuses. That is all you have and you will continue to blame everyone and the game; rather then blame yourselves for the problem you are in. Maybe you should afford the ISK and purchase some tissues? |
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