I would see if they truly are OP, but alas, even the cheapest gear is super-expensive in this game, so I have no hope of ever testing it out for myself.

use militia for a bit and grind isk then go back to the more expensive stuff

Assault rilfes arnt OP just extremely useful and versitle, and the same things that make them so accuact at range is avalible for other weapons but who trains side arm skills?

It's super OP. full auto tactical rifle is insane. Standard rifle has ZERO recoil. Hipfire doesn't seem to decrease accuracy. I say this all as someone who has run Proto Assault with assault rifles all 3 builds. It was fine last build, but the changes to accuracy are... bad. Still to test the breach one.
It requires no more skill than an SMG. I.e. hold R1 = win.
Wtf were you thinking CCP? Who asked for more accurate ARs? Same person as asked for a mass driver buff? LoL
Did stats really suggest the AR needed this buff?

IMHO AR's and movement were pretty much perfect last build.

Yeah, watching noobs who can't aim is pretty funny.

I know I'm gonna get hate but someone needs to say it the AR is an OP gun big problem is the range on some of them the damage on them I can understand (although some of them are strait up stupid) but the bloody RANGE on some of these things are making me wonder why they are not classed as a Sniper's rifle (not saying guns like the tactical AR shouldn't have good range)

And before anyone says it I've used every gun in the game so no i'm not just some sniper talking crap because I got killed by an AR.

Anyone with me on this?

Assault rilfes arnt OP just extremely useful and versitle, and the same things that make them so accuact at range is avalible for other weapons but who trains side arm skills?

yes, the dance 2 assault riflers made was quite amusing

why do sidearms exist in the first place?

why do sidearms exist in the first place?

I love the accurate hipfire, and do NOT want to see hipfire accuracy nerfed. I love games that have accurate hipfire, and I find them very rare.
Recoil is what the assault rifle needs, or range cut.

Versatility is a strength, one that isn't balanced with any weaknesses. That sounds like a balance issue to me

Mass drivers have small magazines, are harder to aim at targets with because of the arc.
Sniper rifles have small magazines, and are hard to use at close range.
Laser rifles have overheat, terrible initial damage, and bad DPS.
Forge guns have charge time.
HMG has overheat, and limited range.
SMGss have limited range.
Shotguns have limited range.
Scrambler pistols have small magazines.
Nova knives have to charge, and are useless in most situations.
The assault rifle has no weakness.

The range is fine FFS, it's the recoil. Do you understand that? Ofcourse at 200 yards or whatever I brain you. EVERY BULLET IS ON TARGET. I have lvl 1 assault rifle ops. I really don't see that extra 20% accuracy from the other 4 lvls being useful lol.

simple...if the AR has range its because someone has skilled up the AR sharpshooter skill....

I assure you no AR will hit you at 400m. Go to 400m away from an objective. It's more like 200-250m max with sharpshooter.

It just needs a tiny bit of recoil.

Yup AR is a better sniper than my sniper is good range and no swaying like a drunken hobo when you zoom in(another problem WTH is that stupid crap!).

>People complaining how ARs are OP
>Not knowing how to use other weapons to their full potential
>Using weak dropsuits

Unless you're having problems with ISK, you may need to rethink your gameplay strategy... and aiming.

Btw, ever played Sleepy Zan with his sniper? He never had problems taking out other classes.

Yeah...I die a lot against ARs...high damage, high RoF, high range, no real downside. Yes, I can kill an AR with my shotgun, when I attack from behind or flank him, or at extreme range with a sniper, but ARs dominate in low to high range. There was a situation where me and another shotgun scout were attacking one single advanced AR, and he killed us both at point blank range. I scored at least three hits, before he turned around in a quarter of a second and killed me with three hits. The other one also hit him. Or I met a Militia AR literally at point blank (we were both rounding a corner at the same time). I had the first shot and I didn't have the time for a second shot, because he again killed me with three hits.

I wouldn't call it OP, but slightly imbalanced.

IMHO AR's and movement were pretty much perfect last build.

Versatility is a strength, one that isn't balanced with any weaknesses. That sounds like a balance issue to me

Mass drivers have small magazines, are harder to aim at targets with because of the arc.
Sniper rifles have small magazines, and are hard to use at close range.
Laser rifles have overheat, terrible initial damage, and bad DPS EDIT: at close range.
Forge guns have charge time.
HMG has overheat, and limited range.
SMGss have limited range.
Shotguns have limited range.
Scrambler pistols have small magazines.
Nova knives have to charge, and are useless in most situations.
The assault rifle has no weakness.

I was gunned down by an AR at over 300m. And to make it worse, as soon as you get once with an AR, everything shakes and you can't aim properly to shoot again, so if you miss the head with your first shot (yes, at 300m +), you're dead.

The AR can hit a 300-400m. I've been on the wrong end of it, and I even started using it as a sniper rifle in a few rounds.

But, maybe the range wouldn't matter so much if the recoil was higher. I agree with that. They can have all the range in the world for all I care as long as they can't accurately hit things.

So maybe you're right- maybe it feels like they have more range this time around because they're so much more accurate. But I've seen it and I've done it at 300m+. True story.

>People complaining how ARs are OP
>Not knowing how to use other weapons to their full potential
>Using weak dropsuits

Unless you're having problems with ISK, you may need to rethink your gameplay strategy... and aiming.

Btw, ever played Sleepy Zan with his sniper? He never had problems taking out other classes.

I would see if they truly are OP, but alas, even the cheapest gear is super-expensive in this game, so I have no hope of ever testing it out for myself.

The AR has recoil issues...it is not there. The OP is right. I would love to know what %5 decrease on dispersion is when there is practically zero to start with....non existent.

Any AR user feels it. NO KICK.
Now ARs will and should be the bulk of used weapons but CCP has to notice the very high AR usage. (and repair kit) (farmers)
The fix feels like less laser accuracy at 50+ meter range.

When someone with the basic AR, at the edge of my range, outguns me (I've got a laser rifle with a light damage modifier, and some skills increasing range and damage, while reducing heat generation) something is wrong there.

how is the LR btw haven't gotten around to it

i think a big part of why u think ARs are OP is because everyone uses them, u get killed more by badass AR users than anything else,

everyone uses a militia AR at the start wich really influences alot of people to keep their ARs, now if there was a militia HMG, LR, and MD then it might be a little different

The AR isn't OP. Anyone who has played in a prototype only match know that the prototype HMG and SMG are just as good as the AR.

Stop crying because someone killed you and get good.

qq thread.

Seriously the prototype SMG, HMG, and sniper rifle wreck everything. Even AR users.

People cry about the AR because it is the most popular weapon and they get killed by it the most.

I wrote this once already and the forum ate it

A few FACTS for you
With Light Weapon Sharpshooter at level 3.
Basic Assault Rifle maximum range 91m
Gek-38 maximum range 96m
Killswitch Gek maximum range 106m

If you max out Light Weapon Sharpshooter and Sharpshooter proficiency you're talking another 25% of range - for the above rifles that's under 140m.

AR's feel strongest at approx 50% of their maximum range - which drops them into SMG territory (base max range on a Toxin SMG is 39m)

As a side note both the Basic and Advanced Laser Rifles with Light Weapon Sharpshooter at level 3 have a maximum range of 97m

OK this is the second time I've said this to someone who just makes a stupid post without reading anything so let me spell it out for you and any other idiot out there.

I HAVE USED NEARLY EVERY GUN IN THE GAME!

the only exceptions are the HMG and the LRifle

I have used the prototype of every hand held weapon besides those and the ar has nearly no downsides I believe the gun is overpowered and I am trying to bring it to the devs attention so it can be fixed unlike you who is trying to be a tough guy behind his computer congratulations you are pathetic

Who cares if you have played with every weapon. Have played in a match where everyone is using prototype weapons? ARs are not the god mode of higher end game play. sniper rifles, HMGs, SMGs, and sniper rifles kill everything just the same.. Congratulations you are wrong. The AR is just what is used the most in pub lobbies.


Seriously the AR is OP compared to what? dropships, tanks, proto SMGs, proto HMGs PROTO SHOTGUNS. You are so wrong right now its hilarious.

Boundless smg beats AR in cqc every time. boundless HMG will almost always win against an AR medium range, unless you spin around them or have several people shooting him. Sniper wins from long range. The game is working as intended. You are just crying.

Congratulations you are pathetic??? Get good and stop crying about ARs scrub.

Honestly for someone who claims they have used every prototype you don't know how deadly the boundless SMG and HMG are? You are full of **** and you know it.

I don't really understand the complaints about ARs when I'm pretty sure the general idea behind them is to be good at as many things as possible, but not as good in each one as a specialized weapon would be. I mean, the Tactical rifle is pretty damn dangerous at longer ranges, but I can burn down someone with one of those in seconds with my Laser Rifle.

Ok instead of continuing this let me just say this: there is a problem with this type of gun I made a thread about it if you want me to I'll make a thread about the smg the hmg the droopship and whatever else you want me to but THIS post is for the ARs not anything else so I'm not going to post about them here and I also don't want to fill this thread with a pointless argument with a guy who could be halfway across the planet for all I know.

every gun vehicle and even some equipment has problems and I'm giving feedback so this particular problem can be fixed by the devs that is what the BETA is for not for making yourself look good now please I'm asking you in the nicest way possible: If you have nothing constructive to add to this thread leave.

Let me try and break this down for you in a polite way. When people are using the same meta level weapons the AR isn't anymore overpowered then the hmg or smg. We saw this in the proto gear only battles that we did. I understand that the AR might need tweaking but naming this thread AR is OP without fully understanding how it works vs other weapons of its meta level really annoys me.


Its threads like this that are actually doing more damage to the balance of this game then it is helping.

I know I'm gonna get hate but someone needs to say it the AR is an OP gun big problem is the range on some of them the damage on them I can understand (although some of them are strait up stupid) but the bloody RANGE on some of these things are making me wonder why they are not classed as a Sniper's rifle (not saying guns like the tactical AR shouldn't have good range)

And before anyone says it I've used every gun in the game so no i'm not just some sniper talking crap because I got killed by an AR.

Anyone with me on this?

AR are over-powered ? Compared to what ?
They're simply more versatile weapons than the rest. But they're way less effective than specialized weapon in some kind of situations :

Close quarters : Shotgun > AR
Middle range with cover : Laser > AR
Long range : Sniper > AR

And that's just for light weapons. If you had sidearms of heavy in the mix it's even worse....
The real advantage of the AR is that you can go from somewhat long-range, mid-range and close quarter without feeling a real handicap. And yes i tried all of those.


I'll just agree with the lack of recoil in this build that is kinda noobish... especially with no skill at all

Let me try and break this down for you in a polite way. When people are using the same meta level weapons the AR isn't anymore overpowered then the hmg or smg. We saw this in the proto gear only battles that we did. I understand that the AR might need tweaking but naming this thread AR is OP without fully understanding how it works vs other weapons of its meta level really annoys me.


Its threads like this that are actually doing more damage to the balance of this game then it is helping.