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lDocHollidayl Imperfects Negative-Feedback 171	Posted - 2012.10.06 16:38:00 - [61] - Quote The AR has recoil issues...it is not there. The OP is right. I would love to know what %5 decrease on dispersion is when there is practically zero to start with....non existent. Any AR user feels it. NO KICK. Now ARs will and should be the bulk of used weapons but CCP has to notice the very high AR usage. (and repair kit) (farmers) The fix feels like less laser accuracy at 50+ meter range.
avi dhrix L.L.A.M.A. Relativity Alliance 1	Posted - 2012.10.06 19:26:00 - [62] - Quote Stating my experience with ARs here. Just got back from a match on one of the new maps. Climbed the ladder on pipe supports get a good sniper spot over and objective. I get one kill, the guy next to me clears at least 5 other folks from the objective. He was using a militia assault rifle with maybe two or three shots needed per kill. Further down the match, same thing happens on a platform. Next to no sniper kills and assault rifle takes the stage. I move again, reds from another platform a ways away borderline kill me before I can even line up a shot. They would have succeeded before i could even crouch if I was sniping with a scout suit. Guy with an assault rifle flanks them while i just act as a distraction instead of even bothering engaging. After the recent character wipe, all my unallocated sp went into ARs which landed it at AR lvl 4. Simple enough to jump right into plowing through people in minutes of starting to play. So far, best kill/death ratio ive had since I've been playing, easyest kills, and I gave up on using sniper rifles for all occasions aside from tagging folks who drop from their MCCs or base from the other side of the map. Even then, with how sniper rifles seem to be having an issue with killing stationary people even when you hit them dead on, I'd rather just take a LAV over and use an AR from a ways away. Oh yeah, my other char is currently set for nothing but light weapons and has sniper rifle prof along with pretty good handheld weapon upgrades skills. This toon was meant for vehicles (which i have yet to drop), has no proficiencys or weapon support skills, my k/d is still better, and i just flat out stopped using the light weapon spec toon unless i want to try something more challenging and use the other weapon types.
tribal wyvern ZionTCD Legacy Rising 675	Posted - 2012.10.06 22:03:00 - [63] - Quote Kai Sakuemi wrote: I would see if they truly are OP, but alas, even the cheapest gear is super-expensive in this game, so I have no hope of ever testing it out for myself. Buy the aurum BPO militia weapons, modules and equipment.....then you won't run out and you can build up your isk
Vincam Velmoriar Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 103	Posted - 2012.10.06 23:25:00 - [64] - Quote lDocHollidayl wrote: The AR has recoil issues...it is not there. The OP is right. I would love to know what %5 decrease on dispersion is when there is practically zero to start with....non existent. Any AR user feels it. NO KICK. Now ARs will and should be the bulk of used weapons but CCP has to notice the very high AR usage. (and repair kit) (farmers) The fix feels like less laser accuracy at 50+ meter range. +1
Xiree Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 55	Posted - 2012.10.06 23:44:00 - [65] - Quote They are not over powered. I think they need to sway or have better aim only when crouched. They also need more "scope" like appearance in the scoped zoom. Any gun would have recoil when fired, because its essentially a accent of object from another object. For instance, it is not the explosion from a bullet that makes it recoil--its the momentum of the bullet pushing away from the gun. So it needs gun sway and recoil, but I also think the gun should always hit center of where the scope is pointing -- That enables the player to be able to control the gun even if it is bouncing and swaying. Lasers wouldn't have recoil, just one on its initial fire, but the beam wouldn't create sway, unless it was gatling firing.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 140	Posted - 2012.10.08 01:30:00 - [66] - Quote Ok I played as an AR class so I could see the good and the bad of it (used the first AR) and I have made a list Remember this is the very first gun you get for AR (and I think in the game) Good: 1: good range 2: Not much sway when zoomed in 3:nice damage (not complaining first AR should do more damage than the first smg as it is a side arm) 5:No/or little bullet dispers (spelling? tired right now) zoomed in or out 6: good in CQC due to hip fire accuracy 7: Light allowing for fast movement 8:good for close/mid/long range combat 9:punches through armor fairly quickly 10:If you realized I skipped 4 you are perceptive BAD: 1:less ammo than the smg can run out if not paying attention or fighting large groups of hostiles 2:noticed it punches through shields slower than armor something for a future build perhaps? (really that's all I got for bad anyone can think up more don't hesitate to say so)
Pwny Rainbow 12	Posted - 2012.10.08 01:48:00 - [67] - Quote When someone with the basic AR, at the edge of my range, outguns me (I've got a laser rifle with a light damage modifier, and some skills increasing range and damage, while reducing heat generation) something is wrong there.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 140	Posted - 2012.10.08 02:19:00 - [68] - Quote Pwny Rainbow wrote: When someone with the basic AR, at the edge of my range, outguns me (I've got a laser rifle with a light damage modifier, and some skills increasing range and damage, while reducing heat generation) something is wrong there. how is the LR btw haven't gotten around to it
Velvet Overkill Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 104	Posted - 2012.10.09 01:31:00 - [69] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Pwny Rainbow wrote: When someone with the basic AR, at the edge of my range, outguns me (I've got a laser rifle with a light damage modifier, and some skills increasing range and damage, while reducing heat generation) something is wrong there. how is the LR btw haven't gotten around to it Underpowered compared to the AR's effective range. The damage is decent to great at mid to long range, but terrible at close range. The magazine size is good and best of all, the accuracy and magnification while ADS is perfect. Also it's a good idea to increase the skill that increases light weapon capacity as this gun eats up ammo faster than the AR.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 140	Posted - 2012.10.09 11:34:00 - [70] - Quote thanks I'll look into it for my scout

Seran Jinkar Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 214	Posted - 2012.10.09 13:28:00 - [71] - Quote Simple as it is: Look at the killfeeds and it becomes obvious how unbalanced the Assault rifle is. Right now it's basically AR vs AR with some lone folks using an smg when they are out of ammo or a sniper rifle when they sit in the mountains. Every other range and application except AV dictates to use an AR at the moment as everyone iwth a militia AR can outgun any other weapon by just aimign and holding the trigger. I totally agree with increasing the recoil of the AR weapon class up to prototype level to allow the creation of at least one weak distance category (CQC).
Alshadow Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 71	Posted - 2012.10.09 13:36:00 - [72] - Quote i think a big part of why u think ARs are OP is because everyone uses them, u get killed more by badass AR users than anything else, everyone uses a milita AR at the start wich really influences alot of people to keep their ARs, now if there was a militia HMG, LR, and MD then it might be alittle different
Rinas Rylos Soldiers Of One Network Orion Empire 0	Posted - 2012.10.09 13:47:00 - [73] - Quote I'm not sure the problem so much is that ARs are overpowered (though I'll admit that this could be my bias speaking) so much as that the other guns are underpowered. Personally, I don't use sniper rifles because the sway ensures my target will probably duck behind cover, I don't use smgs because...well, okay we might want to take a look at that. I don't use a Gatling because I don't have one yet, but they seem to be just as useful if not moreso than ARs at close encounters.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 140	Posted - 2012.10.09 18:09:00 - [74] - Quote Alshadow wrote: i think a big part of why u think ARs are OP is because everyone uses them, u get killed more by badass AR users than anything else, everyone uses a militia AR at the start wich really influences alot of people to keep their ARs, now if there was a militia HMG, LR, and MD then it might be a little different I think the AR is op because I've used it and seen that it has almost no downsides (besides ammo capacity and that's only if you suck at aiming) the first AR's is not to bad but when you start getting the more powerful ARs it takes almost no skill to get a kill (and before anyone says anything yes I have used them)
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 140	Posted - 2012.10.14 22:04:00 - [75] - Quote bump
Crimson MoonV Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 658	Posted - 2012.10.14 22:14:00 - [76] - Quote The AR isn't OP. Anyone who has played in a prototype only match know that the prototype HMG and SMG are just as good as the AR. Stop crying because someone killed you and get good. qq thread. Seriously the prototype SMG, HMG, and sniper rifle wreck everything. Even AR users. People cry about the AR because it is the most popular weapon and they get killed by it the most.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 140	Posted - 2012.10.14 22:41:00 - [77] - Quote Crimson MoonV wrote: The AR isn't OP. Anyone who has played in a prototype only match know that the prototype HMG and SMG are just as good as the AR. Stop crying because someone killed you and get good. qq thread. Seriously the prototype SMG, HMG, and sniper rifle wreck everything. Even AR users. People cry about the AR because it is the most popular weapon and they get killed by it the most. OK this is the second time I've said this to someone who just makes a stupid post without reading anything so let me spell it out for you and any other idiot out there. I HAVE USED NEARLY EVERY GUN IN THE GAME! the only exceptions are the HMG and the LRifle I have used the prototype of every hand held weapon besides those and the ar has nearly no downsides I believe the gun is overpowered and I am trying to bring it to the devs attention so it can be fixed unlike you who is trying to be a tough guy behind his computer congratulations you are pathetic
Your MonkeyWrench Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 14	Posted - 2012.10.14 22:54:00 - [78] - Quote m621 zma wrote: Aidan Torrall wrote: Tony Calif wrote: I assure you no AR will hit you at 400m. Go to 400m away from an objective. It's more like 200-250m max with sharpshooter. It just needs a tiny bit of recoil. I was gunned down by an AR at over 300m. And to make it worse, as soon as you get once with an AR, everything shakes and you can't aim properly to shoot again, so if you miss the head with your first shot (yes, at 300m +), you're dead. The AR can hit a 300-400m. I've been on the wrong end of it, and I even started using it as a sniper rifle in a few rounds. But, maybe the range wouldn't matter so much if the recoil was higher. I agree with that. They can have all the range in the world for all I care as long as they can't accurately hit things. So maybe you're right- maybe it feels like they have more range this time around because they're so much more accurate. But I've seen it and I've done it at 300m+. True story. I wrote this once already and the forum ate it A few FACTS for you With Light Weapon Sharpshooter at level 3. Basic Assault Rifle maximum range 91m Gek-38 maximum range 96m Killswitch Gek maximum range 106m If you max out Light Weapon Sharpshooter and Sharpshooter proficiency you're talking another 25% of range - for the above rifles that's under 140m. AR's feel strongest at approx 50% of their maximum range - which drops them into SMG territory (base max range on a Toxin SMG is 39m) As a side note both the Basic and Advanced Laser Rifles with Light Weapon Sharpshooter at level 3 have a maximum range of 97m Quoted for truth! I thank you so much for pointing that out. If anything the ARs range is pathetic, merely 100m. An average guy can hit statioanary targets 300m away, with todays ARs. Single shot, of course. Still the ARs are overpowered. Why? The have no recoil at all. All you have to do is hold down the R1 button, even at long range. Add recoil! This will force people to burst fire there ARs at long range, this will give others time to run, since now you can't move after you've been hit. (Except for bunnyhopping...) By adding recoil you add more skill to the gun game. By burst firing you will have to line up your shots again and again after each burst. People will get away from bad shooters. Summary: Add Recoil!
Crimson MoonV Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 658	Posted - 2012.10.14 23:01:00 - [79] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Crimson MoonV wrote: The AR isn't OP. Anyone who has played in a prototype only match know that the prototype HMG and SMG are just as good as the AR. Stop crying because someone killed you and get good. qq thread. Seriously the prototype SMG, HMG, and sniper rifle wreck everything. Even AR users. People cry about the AR because it is the most popular weapon and they get killed by it the most. OK this is the second time I've said this to someone who just makes a stupid post without reading anything so let me spell it out for you and any other idiot out there. I HAVE USED NEARLY EVERY GUN IN THE GAME! the only exceptions are the HMG and the LRifle I have used the prototype of every hand held weapon besides those and the ar has nearly no downsides I believe the gun is overpowered and I am trying to bring it to the devs attention so it can be fixed unlike you who is trying to be a tough guy behind his computer congratulations you are pathetic Who cares if you have played with every weapon. Have played in a match where everyone is using prototype weapons? ARs are not the god mode of higher end game play. sniper rifles, HMGs, SMGs, and sniper rifles kill everything just the same.. Congratulations you are wrong. The AR is just what is used the most in pub lobbies. Seriously the AR is OP compared to what? dropships, tanks, proto SMGs, proto HMGs PROTO SHOTGUNS. You are so wrong right now its hilarious. Boundless smg beats AR in cqc every time. boundless HMG will almost always win against an AR medium range, unless you spin around them or have several people shooting him. Sniper wins from long range. The game is working as intended. You are just crying. Congratulations you are pathetic??? Get good and stop crying about ARs scrub. Honestly for someone who claims they have used every prototype you don't know how deadly the boundless SMG and HMG are? You are full of **** and you know it.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.10.15 02:56:00 - [80] - Quote I don't really understand the complaints about ARs when I'm pretty sure the general idea behind them is to be good at as many things as possible, but not as good in each one as a specialized weapon would be. I mean, the Tactical rifle is pretty damn dangerous at longer ranges, but I can burn down someone with one of those in seconds with my Laser Rifle.

Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 140	Posted - 2012.10.15 03:25:00 - [81] - Quote Crimson MoonV wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Crimson MoonV wrote: The AR isn't OP. Anyone who has played in a prototype only match know that the prototype HMG and SMG are just as good as the AR. Stop crying because someone killed you and get good. qq thread. Seriously the prototype SMG, HMG, and sniper rifle wreck everything. Even AR users. People cry about the AR because it is the most popular weapon and they get killed by it the most. OK this is the second time I've said this to someone who just makes a stupid post without reading anything so let me spell it out for you and any other idiot out there. I HAVE USED NEARLY EVERY GUN IN THE GAME! the only exceptions are the HMG and the LRifle I have used the prototype of every hand held weapon besides those and the ar has nearly no downsides I believe the gun is overpowered and I am trying to bring it to the devs attention so it can be fixed unlike you who is trying to be a tough guy behind his computer congratulations you are pathetic Who cares if you have played with every weapon. Have played in a match where everyone is using prototype weapons? ARs are not the god mode of higher end game play. sniper rifles, HMGs, SMGs, and sniper rifles kill everything just the same.. Congratulations you are wrong. The AR is just what is used the most in pub lobbies. Seriously the AR is OP compared to what? dropships, tanks, proto SMGs, proto HMGs PROTO SHOTGUNS. You are so wrong right now its hilarious. Boundless smg beats AR in cqc every time. boundless HMG will almost always win against an AR medium range, unless you spin around them or have several people shooting him. Sniper wins from long range. The game is working as intended. You are just crying. Congratulations you are pathetic??? Get good and stop crying about ARs scrub. Honestly for someone who claims they have used every prototype you don't know how deadly the boundless SMG and HMG are? You are full of **** and you know it. Ok instead of continuing this let me just say this: there is a problem with this type of gun I made a thread about it if you want me to I'll make a thread about the smg the hmg the droopship and whatever else you want me to but THIS post is for the ARs not anything else so I'm not going to post about them here and I also don't want to fill this thread with a pointless argument with a guy who could be halfway across the planet for all I know. every gun vehicle and even some equipment has problems and I'm giving feedback so this particular problem can be fixed by the devs that is what the BETA is for not for making yourself look good now please I'm asking you in the nicest way possible: If you have nothing constructive to add to this thread leave.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 140	Posted - 2012.10.15 03:54:00 - [82] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: I don't really understand the complaints about ARs when I'm pretty sure the general idea behind them is to be good at as many things as possible, but not as good in each one as a specialized weapon would be. I mean, the Tactical rifle is pretty damn dangerous at longer ranges, but I can burn down someone with one of those in seconds with my Laser Rifle. I've found that the AR is not overly powerful in it's damage (besides the prototype AR and that's meant to be that way) it is the smaller things that when added up become a problem the non existent bullet spread, range, and 0 kick allow even a crappy player to kill those who should have an advantage this concerns me and I'm trying to get these things noticed by the devs who seem to have no interest unfortunately. EDIT: the range on the AR is a skill and it should not be nerfed it is however a problem when combined with the problems mentioned above.
Crimson MoonV Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 658	Posted - 2012.10.15 05:59:00 - [83] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Crimson MoonV wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Crimson MoonV wrote: The AR isn't OP. Anyone who has played in a prototype only match know that the prototype HMG and SMG are just as good as the AR. Stop crying because someone killed you and get good. qq thread. Seriously the prototype SMG, HMG, and sniper rifle wreck everything. Even AR users. People cry about the AR because it is the most popular weapon and they get killed by it the most. OK this is the second time I've said this to someone who just makes a stupid post without reading anything so let me spell it out for you and any other idiot out there. I HAVE USED NEARLY EVERY GUN IN THE GAME! the only exceptions are the HMG and the LRifle I have used the prototype of every hand held weapon besides those and the ar has nearly no downsides I believe the gun is overpowered and I am trying to bring it to the devs attention so it can be fixed unlike you who is trying to be a tough guy behind his computer congratulations you are pathetic Who cares if you have played with every weapon. Have played in a match where everyone is using prototype weapons? ARs are not the god mode of higher end game play. sniper rifles, HMGs, SMGs, and sniper rifles kill everything just the same.. Congratulations you are wrong. The AR is just what is used the most in pub lobbies. Seriously the AR is OP compared to what? dropships, tanks, proto SMGs, proto HMGs PROTO SHOTGUNS. You are so wrong right now its hilarious. Boundless smg beats AR in cqc every time. boundless HMG will almost always win against an AR medium range, unless you spin around them or have several people shooting him. Sniper wins from long range. The game is working as intended. You are just crying. Congratulations you are pathetic??? Get good and stop crying about ARs scrub. Honestly for someone who claims they have used every prototype you don't know how deadly the boundless SMG and HMG are? You are full of **** and you know it. Ok instead of continuing this let me just say this: there is a problem with this type of gun I made a thread about it if you want me to I'll make a thread about the smg the hmg the droopship and whatever else you want me to but THIS post is for the ARs not anything else so I'm not going to post about them here and I also don't want to fill this thread with a pointless argument with a guy who could be halfway across the planet for all I know. every gun vehicle and even some equipment has problems and I'm giving feedback so this particular problem can be fixed by the devs that is what the BETA is for not for making yourself look good now please I'm asking you in the nicest way possible: If you have nothing constructive to add to this thread leave. Let me try and break this down for you in a polite way. When people are using the same meta level weapons the AR isn't anymore overpowered then the hmg or smg. We saw this in the proto gear only battles that we did. I understand that the AR might need tweaking but naming this thread AR is OP without fully understanding how it works vs other weapons of its meta level really annoys me. Its threads like this that are actually doing more damage to the balance of this game then it is helping.
STB Vermaak Doe 558	Posted - 2012.10.15 06:15:00 - [84] - Quote Crimson MoonV wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Crimson MoonV wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Crimson MoonV wrote: The AR isn't OP. Anyone who has played in a prototype only match know that the prototype HMG and SMG are just as good as the AR. Stop crying because someone killed you and get good. qq thread. Seriously the prototype SMG, HMG, and sniper rifle wreck everything. Even AR users. People cry about the AR because it is the most popular weapon and they get killed by it the most. OK this is the second time I've said this to someone who just makes a stupid post without reading anything so let me spell it out for you and any other idiot out there. I HAVE USED NEARLY EVERY GUN IN THE GAME! the only exceptions are the HMG and the LRifle I have used the prototype of every hand held weapon besides those and the ar has nearly no downsides I believe the gun is overpowered and I am trying to bring it to the devs attention so it can be fixed unlike you who is trying to be a tough guy behind his computer congratulations you are pathetic Who cares if you have played with every weapon. Have played in a match where everyone is using prototype weapons? ARs are not the god mode of higher end game play. sniper rifles, HMGs, SMGs, and sniper rifles kill everything just the same.. Congratulations you are wrong. The AR is just what is used the most in pub lobbies. Seriously the AR is OP compared to what? dropships, tanks, proto SMGs, proto HMGs PROTO SHOTGUNS. You are so wrong right now its hilarious. Boundless smg beats AR in cqc every time. boundless HMG will almost always win against an AR medium range, unless you spin around them or have several people shooting him. Sniper wins from long range. The game is working as intended. You are just crying. Congratulations you are pathetic??? Get good and stop crying about ARs scrub. Honestly for someone who claims they have used every prototype you don't know how deadly the boundless SMG and HMG are? You are full of **** and you know it. Ok instead of continuing this let me just say this: there is a problem with this type of gun I made a thread about it if you want me to I'll make a thread about the smg the hmg the droopship and whatever else you want me to but THIS post is for the ARs not anything else so I'm not going to post about them here and I also don't want to fill this thread with a pointless argument with a guy who could be halfway across the planet for all I know. every gun vehicle and even some equipment has problems and I'm giving feedback so this particular problem can be fixed by the devs that is what the BETA is for not for making yourself look good now please I'm asking you in the nicest way possible: If you have nothing constructive to add to this thread leave. Let me try and break this down for you in a polite way. When people are using the same meta level weapons the AR isn't anymore overpowered then the hmg or smg. We saw this in the proto gear only battles that we did. I understand that the AR might need tweaking but naming this thread AR is OP without fully understanding how it works vs other weapons of its meta level really annoys me. Its threads like this that are actually doing more damage to the balance of this game then it is helping. As far as the stats go it's fine but it has pin point accuracy and no recoil which anyone can point out is a bad thing
Jack McReady A.C.M.E Corp 71	Posted - 2012.10.15 07:43:00 - [85] - Quote AR recoil and weapon kick is almost nonexistant. it is really funny how accurately it hits targets at range when you fire it full auto
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1155	Posted - 2012.10.15 08:16:00 - [86] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: I know I'm gonna get hate but someone needs to say it the AR is an OP gun big problem is the range on some of them the damage on them I can understand (although some of them are strait up stupid) but the bloody RANGE on some of these things are making me wonder why they are not classed as a Sniper's rifle (not saying guns like the tactical AR shouldn't have good range) And before anyone says it I've used every gun in the game so no i'm not just some sniper talking crap because I got killed by an AR. Anyone with me on this? AR are over-powered ? Compared to what ? They're simply more versatile weapons than the rest. But they're way less effective than specialized weapon in some kind of situations : Close quarters : Shotgun > AR Middle range with cover : Laser > AR Long range : Sniper > AR And that's just for light weapons. If you had sidearms of heavy in the mix it's even worse.... The real advantage of the AR is that you can go from somewhat long-range, mid-range and close quarter without feeling a real handicap. And yes i tried all of those. I'll just agree with the lack of recoil in this build that is kinda noobish... especially with no skill at all
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 140	Posted - 2012.10.15 11:09:00 - [87] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: I know I'm gonna get hate but someone needs to say it the AR is an OP gun big problem is the range on some of them the damage on them I can understand (although some of them are strait up stupid) but the bloody RANGE on some of these things are making me wonder why they are not classed as a Sniper's rifle (not saying guns like the tactical AR shouldn't have good range) And before anyone says it I've used every gun in the game so no i'm not just some sniper talking crap because I got killed by an AR. Anyone with me on this? AR are over-powered ? Compared to what ? They're simply more versatile weapons than the rest. But they're way less effective than specialized weapon in some kind of situations : Close quarters : Shotgun > AR Middle range with cover : Laser > AR Long range : Sniper > AR And that's just for light weapons. If you had sidearms of heavy in the mix it's even worse.... The real advantage of the AR is that you can go from somewhat long-range, mid-range and close quarter without feeling a real handicap. And yes i tried all of those. I'll just agree with the lack of recoil in this build that is kinda noobish... especially with no skill at all please read my post made to Mobius Wyvern
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 140	Posted - 2012.10.15 11:24:00 - [88] - Quote Crimson MoonV wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Crimson MoonV wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Crimson MoonV wrote: The AR isn't OP. Anyone who has played in a prototype only match know that the prototype HMG and SMG are just as good as the AR. Stop crying because someone killed you and get good. qq thread. Seriously the prototype SMG, HMG, and sniper rifle wreck everything. Even AR users. People cry about the AR because it is the most popular weapon and they get killed by it the most. OK this is the second time I've said this to someone who just makes a stupid post without reading anything so let me spell it out for you and any other idiot out there. I HAVE USED NEARLY EVERY GUN IN THE GAME! the only exceptions are the HMG and the LRifle I have used the prototype of every hand held weapon besides those and the ar has nearly no downsides I believe the gun is overpowered and I am trying to bring it to the devs attention so it can be fixed unlike you who is trying to be a tough guy behind his computer congratulations you are pathetic Who cares if you have played with every weapon. Have played in a match where everyone is using prototype weapons? ARs are not the god mode of higher end game play. sniper rifles, HMGs, SMGs, and sniper rifles kill everything just the same.. Congratulations you are wrong. The AR is just what is used the most in pub lobbies. Seriously the AR is OP compared to what? dropships, tanks, proto SMGs, proto HMGs PROTO SHOTGUNS. You are so wrong right now its hilarious. Boundless smg beats AR in cqc every time. boundless HMG will almost always win against an AR medium range, unless you spin around them or have several people shooting him. Sniper wins from long range. The game is working as intended. You are just crying. Congratulations you are pathetic??? Get good and stop crying about ARs scrub. Honestly for someone who claims they have used every prototype you don't know how deadly the boundless SMG and HMG are? You are full of **** and you know it. Ok instead of continuing this let me just say this: there is a problem with this type of gun I made a thread about it if you want me to I'll make a thread about the smg the hmg the droopship and whatever else you want me to but THIS post is for the ARs not anything else so I'm not going to post about them here and I also don't want to fill this thread with a pointless argument with a guy who could be halfway across the planet for all I know. every gun vehicle and even some equipment has problems and I'm giving feedback so this particular problem can be fixed by the devs that is what the BETA is for not for making yourself look good now please I'm asking you in the nicest way possible: If you have nothing constructive to add to this thread leave. Let me try and break this down for you in a polite way. When people are using the same meta level weapons the AR isn't anymore overpowered then the hmg or smg. We saw this in the proto gear only battles that we did. I understand that the AR might need tweaking but naming this thread AR is OP without fully understanding how it works vs other weapons of its meta level really annoys me. Its threads like this that are actually doing more damage to the balance of this game then it is helping. Ok I see what you are trying to say and perhaps I was wrong in the naming of this thread, to be honest I was thinking about the mistakes I've made with this thread as well, as I've said before I know how the guns work against each other as I've used them against other proto using players and I must say that the AR is not overpowered just that it has more then a slight advantage due to its behaving more like a fully aromatic paint gun. I may remake this thread with a new name and make it an ups and downsides of the AR post (this time on the first page)
General Stonewall Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 23	Posted - 2012.10.15 12:50:00 - [89] - Quote i think the most OP AR in the game is the Militia one it shouldn't be/do that power i can understand to a certain degree it should have some power but that thing is way to OP . far as the other ARs i think they are fine because afterall the higher level you get up to use them are worth but level one militia AR just eating threw players likes its candy is just plain crazy . and the laser rifles too and also so is the MASS drivers as well those things as well are alittle OP for the militia ones . so to me ARs are OP but their are also other weapons that are also OP for militia(default) ones.


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