It's in a middle ground right now. It's not quite as tactical as stuff like CoD, it's not as arcade as Halo. It's in a good place. Realistic, but sci-fi realistic.

Honestly from what I played I really liked it. I feel like most of the rage threads are just QQ over not being able to roll everyone with more SP and having to...

Well... Here goes...

"Adapt or die"

Tbh if I wanted a cod type game i'd buy and play cod same with a battle field game, I wanted a dust 514 game different and deep not a run of the mill fps as ccp described it.

Guess I'll go play battlefield because thats what we got at the moment only not as sharp

well put

i dont think i could have said it better my self and just like the OP ive been playing FPs games for years 20 years give or take
both on console and on PC dont have his forum skill tho

i am a hybrid player myself due to this

i cant compare this build to the last as due to color issues the game was unplayabe for me (excluding the bugs in game)

I agree to a point, I used to play CoD not gonna hide that, so I know what that type of gun game is like, but I also grew up on SWBF2, TF2 and games that you actually do dance in the box and fight a player. Dust is not really close to either one of those, its closer to the middle, but it still feels a little to slow.

Forward and back movements are fine, no issues there. But side to side (strafing) where most of the dancers play in, that movement is again IMO about 10% to slow. If we continue to play at this speed, SP's and guns/gear will be the major factor in the game, not actual game play. Again IMO on this.

I appreciate this thread and the attempt to analyze the reason for the opposing viewpoints. It made me realize that my previous CoD experience has biased me toward the tactical play and explains why I find the bunny hoping to be silly. I never played Halo so I have never gained a preference for zero inertia arcade style play.

@ STB DEADPOOL5241 EV

I have very very little experience with these games so I want to say thank you for explaining to me why I and so sad-face right now.

Nail on the head bud.

Well I guess I will go in search of this halo you talk of.

Not a troll for once I am actually an eve tard that only got a PS3 for dust....Man I'm so sad-face right now.

Thanks :)

I don't know many former PC players that do console that are not hybrids. We took the best of dancing in the box and the best of tactical fighting to become a middle fighter.

Do you play both types or do you prefer one over the other?

i actually play both in dust using a tactical AR with range boost for the tactical side and a smg for the dancing
the AR pays off more than the SMG like u mention due to strafing it is i little too slow 10% to 15% increase might fix that

I feel like "arcade" style shooters work much better on consoles, as controllers are more suited to run & gun instead of fine aiming.

The strafing nerf has completely wrecked my KDR. I'm officially abandoning scouts for now, as the speed and low profile now merely get me to my imminent death faster. (In combat they are now just as easy to hit as everyone else.)

How is mouse control in this build? Now that run & gun is dead and buried, accuracy is about to get much more important.

But look at Halo vs CoD, both have controllers but two very different styles came out of it. I think its more the movement speed (strafing) and Map size that determine what style you fall into.

I really like this thread and think you have thought it out really well.

I am one of the people complaining about the movement nerf, and I have to admit I started playing shooters by playing Halo. I love being able to move around better. I attribute it to a soldier being in a mech suit.

I think you are right and they just went too far and need to come back a bit. It feel way too stiff right now, as if my merc lost the ability to twist at the waist.

Well ill get this out of the way straight off the bat, iam a tactical player and am from games like Battlefield, Arma, Operation flash point, Ghost recon, Rainbow 6, so my tread may be a tad biased but ill try to remain neutral for the sake of balence,

I agree that it would be good if we could find a middle ground but it is a very fine line, as it is now is tactical right up till you get in close then strafing becomes viable again, but is strafing is increased too much we have the problem that cover becomes redundent,

The common ground is a very fine line and even debatable if it is possible, after some conversations with some of the arcade camp fellas during some of the movement treads, i found them to think too highly of what their dancing skill is to them it is one of only 2 skills that matter dancing skill and tracking, but i ask what about positioning, stealth, playing to strenght of weapons (keeping target at range), using cover, flanking tactics the list can go on but i cant think of them right now they shoud be every bit as valid as those other skills no?

As it is now i think it is close enough to the fine line but if it makes the game better by all meens it should be done,

I like the suggestion of having the suits being certain playstyle assisted.

I think its a good thing you did here to try and show both sides of the coin

Thanks SilentSam,

This is what I used to do for DCUO and Sony, find a way to enlighten the community so we get less QQ threads, if you understand something better you are less likely to rage against it.

Ok, so your thought is you have a mech suit on so your movement is increased and that is why you can bunny hop or dance around.(sorta reminds me of the GI Joe Movie, where they put the suits on and destroyed Paris) But at the same time those suits have metal and other heavy items on it, any real solider would tell you they would slow your movement down not up. Again how realistic do we go?

Scout suits in the last build I think caused this change in movement speed, scout suits were so fast in dancing that you could avoid 90% of the bullets at you. But the current change has also reduced the other suits and they feel IMO about 10 to maybe 15% to slow. We can all still dance but instead of pop and lock speed we are waltzing.

My biggest gripe is that the Scout was made to be faster and move better. Then they stopped it from being able to move well. Without a big ehp boost the Scout has become almost useless. Maybe I am wrong though and it just has a whole newrole. That role is no longer CQC though.