This game is already pretty complicated and unique for a console shooter. Couple that with the high strafe speed which creates difficult to master, unpredictable gunplay and your potential playerbase is pretty small, just EVE players and some hardcore shooter fans. Lower strafe speeds, more familiar-feeling mechanics will probably keep more players playing the game. Plus who knows if CCP will ever get the hit detection right, I would rather play it safe with easier to hit targets. Consistency is key in a competitive shooter, the last build was very inconsistent in its gameplay mechanics. Either the hit detection was on your side or you were dead, rockets would ramdomly fly at you from dropships camping on towers, etc

Btw I haven't looked into patch notes and am going off of threads I'm seeing pop up of the new build. Tomorrow will be my first time playing this game in a month, the last build got boring real quickly.

[quote=frfqq]This game is already pretty complicated and unique for a console shooter. Couple that with the high strafe speed which creates difficult to master, unpredictable gunplay and your potential playerbase is pretty small, just EVE players and some hardcore shooter fans. Lower strafe speeds, more familiar-feeling mechanics will probably keep more players playing the game. Plus who knows if CCP will ever get the hit detection right, I would rather play it safe with easier to hit targets. Consistency is key in a competitive shooter, the last build was very inconsistent in its gameplay mechanics. Either the hit detection was on your side or you were dead, rockets would ramdomly fly at you from dropships camping on towers, etc

Btw I haven't looked into patch notes and am going off of threads I'm seeing pop up of the new build. Tomorrow will be my first time playing this game in a month, the last build got boring real quickly.

The exiting gameplay has to pull people in. Then the complex mmo aspects will keep them here. The gameplay is boring as **** right now. No one will play this game long enough to even appreciate the mmo aspects if the gameplay is this slow and boring. Seriously this game has turned into a campfest. The strafe speeds are even slower then CoD. There is no learning curve.

This game is looking more and more like a bad halo parody with terrible strafe speeds.[/quote]

that's all it's ever been

The only solution then is to completely overhaul shooting/movement mechanics. If the early builds were too much for a console shooter and this build may be too generic, then the base gameplay mechanics are simply flawed.

base gameplay mechanics have been flawed since april.

The exiting gameplay has to pull people in. Then the complex mmo aspects will keep them here. The gameplay is boring as **** right now. No one will play this game long enough to even appreciate the mmo aspects if the gameplay is this slow and boring. Seriously this game has turned into a campfest. The strafe speeds are even slower then CoD. There is no learning curve.

This game is looking more and more like a bad halo parody with terrible strafe speeds.[/quote]

that's all it's ever been

ccp wasn't a big believer in the adage 'If the foundation is not strong, then the building will come down'

base gameplay mechanics have been flawed since april.

Well they better get their **** together because they won't have 10 years to make a good game like they did with eve. If dust doesn't take off in the first 6-12 months of release, the game will suffer a slow painful death just like mag did.

Wow.......depressing thread.

Wow.......depressing thread.

Overbearing fanbase is bad why? CCP had a pretty good stock of fanboy playerbase last I logged in, and a solid history of growing that fanboy playerbase. I don't understand the problem, unless perhaps you know something that CCP and Sony do not.

Overbearing optimism in a beta that needs some serious criticism, has hindered the progress of this game tbh.

I never get why people like high strafe speeds?

If you try running sideways whilst shooting and being shot at I bet you wouldnGÇÖt get far

Please tell me they've worked on the basic shooting mechanics...

:(

I've yet to play this new build but all the feedback I'm reading is the that it's pretty much the same.

I can't believe CCP have just ignored everything that makes FPS's fun.

Whats depressing is the overbearing optimism of this playerbase over the last 4 builds. There have been so many fanboy threads that anything that is constructive criticism gets trolled and buried. So much brown nosing. So much circle jerking.

Now here we are 4 builds later. Very little has improved. We have some cool new mmo aspects. Shinier graphics. The gameplay is still complete garbage though and some aspects have actually gotten worse. At the playerbases request of course.

Game is trash and the playerbase is helping ccp ruin it by telling them "no this is great you guys are doing an amazing job."

The entire game/gun mechanics health strafe speed ect needs to be redone.

The exiting gameplay has to pull people in. Then the complex mmo aspects will keep them here. The gameplay is boring as **** right now. No one will play this game long enough to even appreciate the mmo aspects if the gameplay is this slow and boring. Seriously this game has turned into a campfest. The strafe speeds are even slower then CoD. There is no learning curve.

This game is looking more and more like a bad halo parody with terrible strafe speeds.

It does need criticism. It needs constuctive criticism. The biggest thing for Dust will be when Dust gets CSM representation. That more than anything will bring the changes that Dust players want into the game they love to play. It is doubtful that this will happen before spring. It would be awesome to see a Dust CSM by Fanfest, even though a few months is not enough time for people to decide who best represents them aside from who is popular.

Overbearing optimism? Some of us have been watching Dust develop when it was just a whispering rumor from drunken Devs at PAX or some other fanboy gathering years ago. There is another word for "overbearing optimism", it is called Loyalty. Some of us have also been entertained and pissed off by CCP for almost 10 years. If that makes me a fanboy, then I want a t-shirt. Actually I have one and a photo of it was just posted on the Eve forums.

I get that FPS players have a high and specific expectation of what they want out of a shooter. I also see, from the outside, that the shooters you have don't have "staying power" for various reasons. Each has some advantages, but those advantages don't make a long term gaming investment.

I may be harsh and very politically incorrect, but I want you in this game more than you know.

Whats depressing is the overbearing optimism of this playerbase over the last 4 builds. There have been so many fanboy threads that anything that is constructive criticism gets trolled and buried. So much brown nosing. So much circle jerking.

Now here we are 4 builds later. Very little has improved. We have some cool new mmo aspects. Shinier graphics. The gameplay is still complete garbage though and some aspects have actually gotten worse. At the playerbases request of course.

Game is trash and the playerbase is helping ccp ruin it by telling them "no this is great you guys are doing an amazing job."

The entire game/gun mechanics health strafe speed ect needs to be redone.