Honestly, it seemed to me like forward speed had been increased a little. If it hasn't been, I hope they do increase it while keeping strafe speed at a lower relative. Being able to run sideways and backwards as fast as you can forwards is just stupid.

Let's all go back to running around in circles, dancing while shooting at each other.

Or we can actually use cover, concealment, and tactics.

it could be the hit detection being better, but whatever it is i feel way to slow now.



Edit: whats wrong with dancing?

I don't even notice the strafing speed. Isn't dat veird :P

Yeah so everyone can camp and every gun fight is about who does the who has the most defense or most powerful gun.


It is absolutely ridiculous now. Being able to strafe and aim is what separates the skilled players from the average players. Now the most advantageous suit is a heavy with max armor and max damage mods because now the heavy strafes as fast as a scout.

We can dance if we want to.
We can leave your friends behind,
cause if friends don't dance and if they don't dance,
well they're no friends of mine.

http://youtu.be/T7hHx7gdN68

Bring back the dance ccp.

Did you play as a heavy last build?



Yeah so everyone can camp and every gun fight is about who does the who has the most defense or most powerful gun.


It is absolutely ridiculous now. Being able to strafe and aim is what separates the skilled players from the average players. Now the most advantageous suit is a heavy with max armor and max damage mods because now the heavy strafes as fast as a scout.

How much do real soldiers strafe and dance? Does DUST reflect reality?

scouts who can no longer exploit their broken precursor mechanic..? forced into using actual tactical manuvers..? oh the humanity

They need to round out the egg a bit on the manifold as the suit gets lighter and allow the strafe speed to be a percentage of the forward speed.
Right now it doesn't even feel natural, you go from moving at 22 MPH with a scout to limping side ways like you **** your pants and you're trying to keep it from finding its way into your shoe.

I just don't get it you fix hit detection finally but you kill strafe speed. This slow paced game promotes camping and vehicle whoring all game it's rediculous how many people camp and toss grenades because strafe speed is so slow.

Slow movement doesn't make your game any more tactical than it was when it was faster!

It is absolutely ridiculous now. Being able to strafe and aim is what separates the skilled players from the average players. Now the most advantageous suit is a heavy with max armor and max damage mods because now the heavy strafes as fast as a scout.

they don't like reality or realism
i agree and disagree. if you are going to have ******** strafing abilities you have to add everything else. rocket jumps, bunny hops, and grunting whenever you jump.

you can't have one without the others

We want "DANCE DANCE REVOLUTION!"

*hangs up scout suit

How much do real soldiers strafe and dance? Does DUST reflect reality?

You dropped like a rock earlier Kero. Stop talking BS.

If you think a heavy should strafe as fast as a scout, you might be a wee bit on the tard side of the curve.

Scouts SHOULD hit and run. Now they have to hit, throw 3 Thukkers (SOONtm) and hope somehow they survived. I hate shotgun scouts. Previously you've been nasty as hell running SMG scout. Now I can just track you far too easily. It's sad. Scouts speed was their only hope.
It was pretty important for assault too :(

This.

I was going to try and see how this build progressed before forming any opinions about it, but based off of what I've played so far, I've already got a bad feeling about it.

I've mentioned this problem to others in-game, mostly in the context of scout suits. I usually get the same response, "scout suits are for stealth now, as they should be, spec into signature dampeners and stop whining." The problem is, what am I supposed to do after I sneak up to someone? With strafe speed nerfed, I get one stealthy kill with my shotgun before I'm inevitably shredded by an AR. I no longer have any viable way to defend myself against an attack by an assault AR. I could take cover, but then what? I would just be delaying my certain doom. If I was able to strafe at a rate that was halfway consistent with my forward movement, I would at least have a chance at maneuvering long enough for a good shot. In the current state, I'm lucky to go even, I don't get a chance to fight because I'm consistently dead before I can get behind cover. I can't fight because my CQC suit, with a CQC weapon, with modules fitted for CQC, is inferior in CQC...to a weapon that can kill me from completely out of my maximum effective range.

that would be funny

FYI: They do and it's not funny.

I know its only been one day but the fun has gone out of it for me in this build. Its personal I guess yes I liked strafing as both a scout and as an assult. I was good at keeping on target while spinning and jumping all over the place. That playstyle has gone and its what I enjoyed the most in dust (well maybe dropshipflying also kinda broken still).

Now I could HTFU, adapt or die or get good but if the fun for me is missing then I'm not sure I see a reason too.

Guess its a QQ post and tbh yea kinda is . I dont like how the games shaping up but thats my problem but still I have a right to not like it and to say so.

All the suits seem the same when your fighting them and its all abit grey and dull now for me at least.


Well thats my QQing over with.

Enjoy your new game eveyone.

How is the scout a cqc suit? That explains why it started with sniper rifle skills. What part about stealth has to do with a shotgun, you've always had a knife/option for a knife so use it

i believe it'll get better, after all it's a beta, right now we aren't even talking to CCP anymore, its more like the player base

That beta **** doesn't fly anymore. Its 3 years later and the game is still falling apart. I can only imagine the pressure sony is putting on ccp right now.

The scout suit makes a great CQC suit. Its balance towards fast recharging shields screams CQC, allowing it to take damage and quickly regain health. Other suits take time to regain health, which is better for longer range confrontations where it is easier to find consistent cover for longer regeneration times. This is not useful for a sniper, who has plenty of time to take cover and regain as much HP as necessary. The scouts stealth works both ways, allowing CQC players to get close and snipers to stay hidden.

The shotgun is a one shot kill weapon for CQC. This makes it a very viable option when sneaking up to an enemy, although it's just used as an example in this case, due to it being the weapon I use most regularly. The knife (in this build at least) is much too situational to be used as a consistent stealth wepon, due to it being impossible to charge while running, meaning it rarely can be used on an opponent that is moving.

The point of being stealthy is to not give up your position which is your fault when using a shotgun and you deserve whatever you get from playing haphazardly, also stealth isn't meant to be rushed which means we can do without a sprinting knife. Even though it is the fastest regenerator, it doesn't have the staying power of ant other suit which makes it one of the worst choices for CQB.

Any stealth kill shouldn't be a simple handout, you should have to work and plan to get that kill. If we do an equal amount of damage to each other until one of us dies with you in a scout suit and me in an assault, I've won the CQC battle. Even though you heal fast, you're working with an easy to crush glass tank.

A full shield rep on a scout only means two scrambler shots or three to 4 ar shoots until your already weakened armour is gone aswell

The assault's increased pg/cpu and slots can bump it's hp up without crippling it such as with the scout

They need to stop nerfing things because it's taking all the fun out of the game. You're wearing a state of the art battlesuit, but it feels like all the joints are rusted while you're trudging through mud. If they keep nerfing movement at this rate this is going to turn into a tower defence game.

scout suits are usless on this build they really are you cant move even have as fast and its to easy for people to keep there guns on you not only the fact that every round hits you now so yeah this build made scounts useless as for sniping when you are in a hard to get place and 3 guys can sneak up on you and kill you befor you even notice they are there yeah thats when snipers are useless so anything that dosnt use a HMG lazer or assault rifle is useless and anything useing a scout suite is just as useless i miss the old build atleast then i didnt die 24 times per match simply from spawning and haveing 3 guys kill me befor i can even react

Oh no I lost my I win button , they were designed to recon and snipe not act as if they were a ballerina with a gun

CCP, just look at the players who are pissed. We're not the ones with 30 kills total. We're the ones who've played this game quite heavily over the last few months. Carlos is spot on. Remove skilled combat = remove skilled players. Allow the mechanics to support high tier play, and let the scrubs fight each other and PvE.

Do not remove skilled combat.

CCP, just look at the players who are pissed. We're not the ones with 30 kills total. We're the ones who've played this game quite heavily over the last few months. Carlos is spot on. Remove skilled combat = remove skilled players. Allow the mechanics to support high tier play, and let the scrubs fight each other and PvE.

Do not remove skilled combat.

I'm ok with the nerf. Didn't like tango dancing anyways.

no thats not what im saying im saying that all they made it so scouts are to slow to do the hit and fade also we cant make people losse a lock if someone is shooting you you cant do anything but die scouts have less hp and less shields then the last build so we cant survives a stand up fight and we are to slow to do what a scout is suposed to and that is out run and hide from you others if they are going to make us easyer to kill by giving us less hp then make us faster if they are going to make us slower then hive us better shields and armor dont make us slower and give us less hp and shields that is basicly making a scout suit awalking coffin to slow to out menuver you to low armored to survive a stand up fight the only option left is to no longer use scout suits and switch to assault suits so basicly they should fix the scout suits or remove them totaly and remberse me my isk and my sp i put into them