The AUR, booster, and other stuff is all valuable to you and worth the $20 price even discounting the dropsuits. You do not have a leg to stand on. You are not entitled to anything here. This is a separate merc pack and you are not losing out on any value from it on account of having bought the earlier merc pack.

But it is the same thing, but with extra added. Wouldn't have a problem with it if it was only the new dropsuits, but this is a slap in the face of early adopters

But it is the same thing, but with extra added. Wouldn't have a problem with it if it was only the new dropsuits, but this is a slap in the face of early adopters

But it is the same thing, but with extra added. Wouldn't have a problem with it if it was only the new dropsuits, but this is a slap in the face of early adopters

But it is the same thing, but with extra added. Wouldn't have a problem with it if it was only the new dropsuits, but this is a slap in the face of early adopters

Those same things still have value. The extra 40,000 AUR is worth the same to you as the first 40,000 AUR. The 30-day skill booster is still worth $15, just like the other 30-day skill booster you have. Even discounting the items and dropsuits, the AUR and booster alone make the merc packs a bargain and are worthwhile purchases if you see yourself playing Dust for a while. The fact that there are extra dropsuits added is just a nice bonus on top.

your telling me, I bought a HD6950 9 months ago from a store for -ú240. I see the exact same card now for -ú180. I called them and the cheeky Kittens wont refund the difference. What a Cruel, Cruel world we live in. To make the matter worse the 6950 also come bundle with Dirt 3, not only will they not refund the difference they wont give me a free copy of Dirt 3.

I went to there forum and whinge and winged and cried and cried and cried and still i cannot get my stuff.

ITS MINE IM ENTITLED i tell them but there ears are closed.

I went to trading standards, they are useless. they tell me i dont have a leg to stand on. I told them i have 2 and last time i checked the both worked fine, but disablitiy or not im entitled "is it no discrimation to give legless people stuff thats added to a deal after a purchase but noone else" I ask them. Apartently "You have the wrong end of the stick" they say. I ended the call damn fools were talking in riddles whats a stick got to do with anything.

Gamers sense of entitlement is truly astounding. Must be a product of receiving trophies at a young age even when his team lost.

Their value is dimisnished. If the merc pack was available and allowed for a choice between a scout, logi or assualt suit, I would have picked logi. This new one gives you ALL of them, for the same price.

I really have to say this is a failed business model by CCP. Many people out there who thought a second merc pack was worth it already got it. Like me. I personally am not going to spend my money on something I already have. I was excited A new merc Pack hell ya I am going to get a assault or a heavy suit maybe a cool logic. .And some different typies of perm guns and maybe a passive booster. But nope it is the same crap.

Come on CCP actually make a new merc pack so it is worth buying not the same old thing with the extra suits. All you did was really just **** over people who previously bought merc packs. But I understand your just trying to squeeze as much money of this merc pack as you can.

Can anybody help me find the sense in this post? I don't get it....how does free suits diminish the value of a booster or Aurum?

The new suits should be available as a redeemable item for those who already purchased a mercs pack. I could purchase another, but it is the principle here, as I would have waited to buy it if we were told new stuff would be added to t, doubling its value. I got in the beta early on and purchased the pack to support ccp. As an early adopter there should be som kind of reward, especially when you consider the amount of bugs and other issues we've all encountered on this journey.

No it shouldn't. By your logic, you would get every merc pack released because you bought one. This does not make sense. This is a special promotion only. You wouldn' t expect to get that free ham that the grocery store is offering for purchases of $100 or more over the weekend simply because you shopped on the Wednesday before, would you?

If you are looking for a reward as a beta tester, those come from the events. For example, the Skinweave suits. Also, you get to have a character with a birthday publicly visible that comes from before the release date. CCP has also already promised other special goods not yet released specifically for the beta testers as a "thanks" for the testing. This just happens not to be one of those things.

I'm not sure about the US, I just know that here in Norway I could probably make all sorts of trouble for CCP. Not that I'm gonna bother for $20, but we have a law about yields on things, where the yield of a product should fall to the consumer if the price gains a yield BEFORE delivery.

As I see it, delivery is at launch. They changed a product before launch, I bought the product, by Norwegian law I should be entitled to the upgraded merc pack, depending on the definition of when "delivery" takes place I suppose.

So there, more fuel for the fire, have fun guys!

40,000 AUR ($20 / Gé¼18 / -ú14)
GÇó30 day Active Skill Booster ($15 / Gé¼13.50 / -ú10.50)
GÇóIn-battle Items (Total Value $15 / Gé¼13.50 / -ú10.50 )
GÇó'Dragonfly' Scout dropsuit x 1 (Permanent Item)
GÇó'Toxin' ICD-9 Submachine Gun x 1 (Permanent Item)
GÇóHK4M Shotgun x 50
GÇóHacked Drop Uplink x 50
GÇóFused Locus Grenade x 50
GÇó1.5dn Myofibril Stimulant x 50

If you purchase the new Merc Pack between 11:30 GMT Sept. 27th - 11:00 GMT Sept. 30th, you will also qualify to receive additional bonus items listed below:

Tribute Dropsuits

GÇÿRavenGÇÖ Assault Type-I

GÇóDurability: Permanent
GÇóDescription: GÇ£A black-gray variant of the Assault dropsuit; history may forget some men, but it remembers their deedsGÇ¥
GÇóStats: Regular Assault Type-I

GÇÿSeverGÇÖ Logistics Type-I

GÇóDurability: Permanent
GÇóDescription: GÇ£An orange-brown variant of the Logistics dropsuit; a shared past unites those who dare fight for the futureGÇ¥
GÇóStats: Regular Logistics Type-I

GÇÿValorGÇÖ Scout Type-I

GÇóDurability: Permanent
GÇóDescription: GÇ£A brown-green variant of the standard Scout dropsuit; all mercenaries die alone, but for a time these few fought together.GÇ¥
GÇóStats: Regular Scout Type-I
The bonus Tribute Dropsuits can be redeemed in-game during the promotional times from 11:30 GMT Sept. 27th - 11:00 GMT Sept. 30th each valued at more than $6, so be sure to login and get them right away!

The new suits should be available as a redeemable item for those who already purchased a mercs pack. I could purchase another, but it is the principle here, as I would have waited to buy it if we were told new stuff would be added to t, doubling its value. I got in the beta early on and purchased the pack to support ccp. As an early adopter there should be som kind of reward, especially when you consider the amount of bugs and other issues we've all encountered on this journey.

Many stores will honor things like that. If they wanted to do a special promotion, it should have had OTHER items in it, not the exact same ones I purchased. I now have to purchase those same items again, because thats the only way these suits are being offered. Lets not forget that these are permanent level 1 suits, which puts other people starting out at a severe disadvantage.

This isnt the same as the items included with with new PS3 because those are different items.

Oh dear how dare they upgrade the merc pack like that! Who do they think they are!?
I guess I should complain to dodge for selling me a 2011 challenger, I mean.....ya know....the 2012 challenger is out now and its a better deal, I feel ripped off!!!!!

Grow up!

I've worked in retail for years prior to my current profession, and am a consumer daily. I have never seen a store honor what you are suggesting when it is a special promotion. Note the word "special". This is a give away for purchases made during a certain window. You are not entitled to this unless you make a purchase in that period of time.

again, copy/paste from another thread.

i'm confused by CCP post anyway. if i dont buy the new merc pack, am i still able to get those MAG dropsuits?

"If you purchase the new Merc Pack between 11:30 GMT Sept. 27th - 11:00 GMT Sept. 30th, you will also qualify to receive additional bonus items listed below..

The bonus Tribute Dropsuits can be redeemed in-game during the promotional times from 11:30 GMT Sept. 27th - 11:00 GMT Sept. 30th each valued at more than $6, so be sure to login and get them right away!

Note: if you donGÇÖt redeem the items during the promotional times listed above, you will have to contact our customer support staff at [email protected] in order to receive the bonus items."

okay, so if we buy it, we qualify to receive them. however, can others who dont buy the merc pack still redeem these during the promotional period? if i play during the promotional period, am i redeeming them or receiving them anyway? i hope so. i want one. how do they put a monetary value on a digital dropsuit anyway? $6 for a single suit? lol no way

/i really think we will be able to get them without buying a new merc pack.. but thats just me getting my hopes up. :)

Those same things still have value. The extra 40,000 AUR is worth the same to you as the first 40,000 AUR. The 30-day skill booster is still worth $15, just like the other 30-day skill booster you have. Even discounting the items and dropsuits, the AUR and booster alone make the merc packs a bargain and are worthwhile purchases if you see yourself playing Dust for a while. The fact that there are extra dropsuits added is just a nice bonus on top.

paran tadec, is it me or you're like the biggest cry baby here...... kept on crying for a week after tank nerf now this..... whats it gonna be next?

paran tadec, is it me or you're like the biggest cry baby here...... kept on crying for a week after tank nerf now this..... whats it gonna be next?

No, Tadec just doesn't let issues which are important to him drop. Same as me, but we have different issues. Tbh I'm really happy I didn't buy a merc pack. I might pick one up now, but... What's the NEXT merc pack gonna have? BPO forgegun? BPO Dropship? But I guess it's how CCP are doing things.

IMHO, only buy what you need to survive. Which so far is Thukkers and a UVT.
*BPO UVT PLEASE CCP*

you are right. they will continue to drop new merc packs with different things just to appeal to different people at different times.

No, Tadec just doesn't let issues which are important to him drop. Same as me, but we have different issues. Tbh I'm really happy I didn't buy a merc pack. I might pick one up now, but... What's the NEXT merc pack gonna have? BPO forgegun? BPO Dropship? But I guess it's how CCP are doing things.

IMHO, only buy what you need to survive. Which so far is Thukkers and a UVT.
*BPO UVT PLEASE CCP*

CCP Instead of ripping ppl off you should worry about your gameplay

CCP is fleecing customers to pay for another full mercpack just to get a couple items, items which confer a HUGE advantage (BPO standard suits), whereas everyone else will have to pay for BPC suits each time they die.

What would have been a more appropriate special item would be a memorial dropsuit for Vile Rat and give the profits from said merc pack to his family.

and i'll agree to this as well. i want my smooth gameplay back. even if it means taking back some of the pretty graphics we got with Precursor.




this +1.

The MAG dropsuits will come up for ISK I'm fairly sure. Maybe not in beta, but once we go live. But really, once you have a good Dropsuit, how much use will you get from these suits? Still be fun for all the MAG clans for form something like RvB. And you MUST wear your factions BPO at all times :p

I think you all should just get used to it. If CCP is smart they will keep releasing different limited edition packs of stuff as long as the game exists. There's nothing wrong with this sort of thing and makes perfect sense from just about any angle you look at it (aside from the "entitled gamer" angle). They will just keep releasing differently themed stuff, and when something you want shows up, you'll be enticed to spend your IRL money on it.

If you really want one of the extra dropsuits, either buy the new merc pack, or wait until the player market is implemented and buy it with ISK. But don't whine that you bought something else and now you wish you bought this instead, that's on YOU, not CCP.

But I didnt buy something else, its the same merc pack. Reread what I've posted. I said it would be ok to release these as separate suits with items specific to their class as a NEW merc pack.

If I sold you a ps3 system one day, and the next day offered the same exact thing, same price, but with 2 free games, would you not try to ge the 2 free games? The bend over and take it attitude does nothing to help gamers who get screwed over.

How? I got exactly what they were selling me. They are now offering a new product. I know this might be hard to understand, but you do not deserve anything more just because you want it.

Any of us who bought the merc pack when it game out have gotten it twice now. And will get it a third and likely fourth time....

I wonder if people would react differently if they didn't call it the "merc pack"? If they'd said "Here's the soldier pack, it contains the merc pack and three BPO dropsuits, and it costs $20" no one would have batted an eye.

Well that depends. Some of use dont want the same items 3x or 4x, we want NEW merc packs with NEW items. Not the same things with a bonus for getting it within a certain time frame. Just sounds like a push to move as much virtual volume as possible.

I will say it again: If the logi suit was available with some logi specific items and an assualt rifle, I would buy it, hands down no problem. However, I am being forced to buy something I already have to get these.

They can call it whatever they want, but its the same exact thing.

Except it's not. It has extra items.

...And three dropsuits. Y'know, the three dropsuits? They're the whole reason you created this thread.

Finally, we've arrived at exactly what I was saying. You're upset that these are being offered with the merc pack, and I said that if they made a new pack that included the merc pack and these no one would care.

This sense of entitlement some gamers have really baffles me sometimes...
They sold something, you bought it, because you thought it was worth the money. Now they promote the exact same thing by adding some items for a short amount of time, and you are upset, because you don't get these items for free? You know...every single sale works like that. Limited time/amount offer for reduced price or with added value. Does that mean you are entitled to a refund/the additional items when you bought earlier? Spoiler alert: No. I repeat: You thought it was worth it when you bought it and you got what you bought.

When I tell you, that I got Portal for free last year, do you run to Valve and demand a refund because you paid for it? When you see the Humble Indie Bundle, do you want a refund for games you already have?

If you really have to have these suits, buy the pack again...you have the Dragonfly suit and the SMG twice, but the rest is still more than worth the money. And once the market is implemented, you can sell the duplicates.

Ok instead of dealing with issue at hand, CCP ripping-off people who already bought the merc pack, you subject yourself to name calling to someone who is making a valid point.

Have you ever seen those commercials where one kid is a member of a bank and a new kid joins the bank and gets free ice cream, or a puppy, or a car?

And when the kid who was already a member asks why he doesn't also get that which the new kid got FOR FREE the guy in charge just says "Oh that's only for new kids". Then the first kid just looks at him funny and the commercial ends with "Even a kid can tell it's not fair."

No. Haven't seen 'em. Are they real, or did you just pull them out of your kitten?

Real. All three scenarios.

Well, then...stupid commercial. No connection to the real world of marketing. This one advertiser might use it to show how different they are, but without the usual sale promotion practice, this commercial wouldn`t even make sense.

The advertiser has a differing opinion than yours so he's stupid?

I have AT&T internet. When AT&T does a promotion that says "Sign up now for AT&T and you will get the low price of [price lower than I currently pay] for [the speed I currently receive]" I just call them up and ask for a price reduction. And you know what? They give it to me. On the spot. With no hassle.

Yeah but that's called good business practices, not everybody subscribes to that...

Thank you, exactly what I was thinking too when I read his post. Infact if you read what CCP is saying there is a very narrow window of oppurtunity in which to acquire this and be eligibal in which to obtain those exclusive dropsuits. Which is wrong. Especially considering most of us already bought this same pack monts ago, and some even bought two or more. They should really just put the MAG dropsuits back into the market for AUR, or give them to everyone who ever bought one or more of the 'Mercenary Pack' since you know we willing supported this [beta] by purchasing them even withought knowing whether or not this game would succeed or not.

All-in-all? It feels like a backstab to those of us whom already purchased the pack. Made worse that they offered the same pack a month or so after I purchased it at full price to those coupon cultist for ten dollars. That aside this is a backstab I won't allow. I really dislike arseholes whom continue to allow for such gross obese business practices which are unethical and wrong. Just because, you are all too willing to get on your knees and allow them to make such choices does mean we have to do so.

I cannot believe some people.

How? I got exactly what they were selling me. They are now offering a new product. I know this might be hard to understand, but you do not deserve anything more just because you want it.

ok so does that mean if i just want the new dropsuits, or maybe even just ONE of the new dropsuits, why should we have to pay 20$ dollars for it? This isn't a new deal, its the same deal as the original merc pack, ONLY with more value in it!

If i were given the option between the old merc pack, and this one, for the same price, then i (along with just about anyone else who can read) would choose this new one over that, simply because the only difference is that this one has those dropsuits for the same price as the old pack without the dropsuits. Its not about this "entitlement" **** you guys keep bringing up, its about whats fair, and whats value.

Personally, i think that if they were going to add a slightely modified merc pack like this, then they should also put up an option to buy each of the items on the merc pack separately or in smaller bundles, so if we dont want to spend a whole nother 20$ we can just spend like 5 - 10 on a smaller variant of the pack (IE: one or two of those dropsuits)

I just don't see it. Both of your posts just sound like entitled rants. You purchased the pack when it didn't have the exclusive extra, now it has it. Big deal. If you want the stuff that's available NOW, then buy it... that stuff wasn't available THEN.

No one forced you to buy the merc pack, and no one said "we will never make a similar offer with more/different stuff". To be clear, you guys (and I as well) didn't buy the "SAME PACK", because this merc pack is a special offer to entice people to buy it RIGHT NOW... not 2 months ago, not 2 weeks ago, not 2 days ago, NOW. The pack WE bought was the one from previously that didn't include this offer.

Now look, if you bought the merc pack say... YESTERDAY, I can see at least being irritated and making the argument that maybe they should go ahead and upgrade you to the current offer, but CCP would in no way IMO be ethically or morally obligated to facilitate such a request. There is no "gross obese business practices" occurring here, and it most certainly isn't "unethical" or "wrong", I mean, that level of hyperbole is just utterly ridiculous. They're offering a special incentive if you "act now", there's nothing abnormal about such practices.

Just because you purchased something previously, doesn't mean you should automatically get any free offers that ever end up being offered with the product in the future, that's just absolutely silly. Apply this same argument to anything else and it becomes ridiculous. Hell, Paran's analogy to buying a PS3 and then demanding the free games that come from a different offer after he made the purchase is just as ludicrous.

Seriously, you guys sound ridiculous.

Sure, and if you buy an iPhone 3GS now it's a lot cheaper than it was 2 years ago. So if given the choice between the price from 2 years ago and the price now, clearly the price now is the better deal. Thus, Apple should refund everyone's money who paid the original price since it is now available much cheaper, amirite? Fair's fair after all.

Thats because there is a new iPhone model out. This merc pack is EXACTLY THE SAME as the ones previously available. Its not like some newer technology has made them obsolete in the month that has passed since I purchased it.

This would be akin to buying an iphone 5, and then next week, iphone5s comes out with more memory and other features, without any forewarning of its impending release.

bend over man

anyways, those dropsuits will be on the market once we can sell our stuff, so no big deal here

Not necessarily. They will likely only be available for a ridiculous amount of isk.

and what's stopping you from purchasing them or waiting for a while for them to drop in price? just asking.






the offers is limited, it's not gonna be standard for anyone who buys it from now on. just those three days

Bend over and take it.

Do not waste your breath on that fool. As soon as he whipped out the "entitled" crutch as his main stay argument I stopped listening, reading or caring as to his/her opinion. They do not get it, and they are the same people that are part of the problem with this industry. They'll defend the industry on every choice they make and no matter how bad the legit consumer is depressed, and brutalized. They have a mental illness for people like them -- Stockholmes syndrome. Seriously I bet he still believes that 'piracy' is the real threat to the industry.

Moving on though to the topic. I agree with you, Paran Tadec, in that the MAG affiliated dropsuits should be released back onto the market as they were before, or sent to everyone who has ever purchased one or more of the 'mercenary pack' either then or now. As you pointed out it's the exact same 'mercencary pack' now with a "small" limited timed window for which to obtain these dropsuits which is ludicrous if not inane, unethical and wrong. It certainly sends the wrong signals to those of us whom are supporting this game, and testing it even, and the fans here. Especially those of whom as I said before supported the [beta] by buying these packs initially upon their release.

Do not waste your breath on that fool. As soon as he whipped out the "entitled" crutch as his main stay argument I stopped listening, reading or caring as to his/her opinion.

They do not get it, and they are the same people that are part of the problem with this industry. They'll defend the industry on every choice they make and no matter how bad the legit consumer is depressed, and brutalized. They have a mental illness for people like them -- Stockholmes syndrome. Seriously I bet he still believes that 'piracy' is the real threat to the industry.

Moving on though to the topic. I agree with you, Paran Tadec, in that the MAG affiliated dropsuits should be released back onto the market as they were before, or sent to everyone who has ever purchased one or more of the 'mercenary pack' either then or now. As you pointed out it's the exact same 'mercencary pack' now with a "small" limited timed window for which to obtain these dropsuits which is ludicrous if not inane, unethical and wrong.

It certainly sends the wrong signals to those of us whom are supporting this game, and testing it even, and the fans here. Especially those of whom as I said before supported the [beta] by buying these packs initially upon their release.

Exactly. Imagine if you just picked up one of the new PS3's for this game, got the stuff that came with it for Dust, and decided to get that merc pack too, and then logged in here to see that if they only waited 12 hours they would have gotten 3 EXTRA suits. They would, rightly, feel cheated.

I wouldn't mind CCP doing this if the game was released but doing this during beta just feels like a desperate grab for money. Everyone who bought the merc pack early was told that its content might change but we would get equivalents in exchange.

There's been 3 versions so far, the original merc pack who most bought early because they wanted to encourage CCP in making this game. The 10$ PS+ pack from a few weeks ago and now this one with bullshit extras. The game is still in beta yet its cost some of us as much as a full game simply because we wanted what amounts to the equivalent of day 1 dlc in real games.

The problem isn't that they are promoting a limited time sale, the problem is that they are promoting the merc pack with gear that provides a definite in game advantage by being a non-militia BPOs, and then not providing a way to acquire those items without repurchasing the merc pack. I've already paid for the merc pack once, and if I wanted a second one I would have gotten it by now. I don't want to buy a second merc pack JUST to get the extra bonus. If I could purchase just the new suits for $9, sure. It would likely be better to buy the merc pack because you get the suits for free, but I would feel less ripped off. It would be more like "Hey, we are selling new suits, and if you buy the merc pack now you get the new stuff thrown in for free."

Can anybody help me find the sense in this post? I don't get it....how does free suits diminish the value of a booster or Aurum?

sorry guys, let me get this straight, I went for the second merc pack purchase, now I have some double items, double AUR plus the MAG dropsuits...I just dont understand whether I have to assign all the stuff to the character or I'll have to keep it not assigned until final commercial release or maybe this doesn't matter...its just I dont speak good english and dont understand fully...with redeeming dropsuits you mean assigning them?...thanx

2012.09.28 13:14:00 -á GM Vegas

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Hello,

Thanks for your email.

Unfortunately the Merc Pack Dropsuits offer only applies to new purchases and as such the 3x Dropsuits will not be allocated to users who previoulsy purchased the Merc Pack.

Regards,

GM Bishop
DUST 514 Customer Support Team



2012.09.28 13:10:00 -á None

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Hi if we bought the merc pack when it first got out will we be eligible for
the tribute skins? Would be sad to be penalized because we bought it first
and no reason to buy it again... Please advise. Thanks.