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Baal Roo
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Posted - 2012.09.26 19:15:00 -
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I think you all should just get used to it. If CCP is smart they will keep releasing different limited edition packs of stuff as long as the game exists. There's nothing wrong with this sort of thing and makes perfect sense from just about any angle you look at it (aside from the "entitled gamer" angle). They will just keep releasing differently themed stuff, and when something you want shows up, you'll be enticed to spend your IRL money on it.
If you really want one of the extra dropsuits, either buy the new merc pack, or wait until the player market is implemented and buy it with ISK. But don't whine that you bought something else and now you wish you bought this instead, that's on YOU, not CCP. |
Baal Roo
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Posted - 2012.09.26 22:36:00 -
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Rorek IronBlood wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:Baal Roo wrote:I think you all should just get used to it. If CCP is smart they will keep releasing different limited edition packs of stuff as long as the game exists. There's nothing wrong with this sort of thing and makes perfect sense from just about any angle you look at it (aside from the "entitled gamer" angle). They will just keep releasing differently themed stuff, and when something you want shows up, you'll be enticed to spend your IRL money on it.
If you really want one of the extra dropsuits, either buy the new merc pack, or wait until the player market is implemented and buy it with ISK. But don't whine that you bought something else and now you wish you bought this instead, that's on YOU, not CCP. But I didnt buy something else, its the same merc pack. Reread what I've posted. I said it would be ok to release these as separate suits with items specific to their class as a NEW merc pack. If I sold you a ps3 system one day, and the next day offered the same exact thing, same price, but with 2 free games, would you not try to ge the 2 free games? The bend over and take it attitude does nothing to help gamers who get screwed over. Thank you, exactly what I was thinking too when I read his post. Infact if you read what CCP is saying there is a very narrow window of oppurtunity in which to acquire this and be eligibal in which to obtain those exclusive dropsuits. Which is wrong. Especially considering most of us already bought this same pack monts ago, and some even bought two or more. They should really just put the MAG dropsuits back into the market for AUR, or give them to everyone who ever bought one or more of the 'Mercenary Pack' since you know we willing supported this [beta] by purchasing them even withought knowing whether or not this game would succeed or not. All-in-all? It feels like a backstab to those of us whom already purchased the pack. Made worse that they offered the same pack a month or so after I purchased it at full price to those coupon cultist for ten dollars. That aside this is a backstab I won't allow. I really dislike arseholes whom continue to allow for such gross obese business practices which are unethical and wrong. Just because, you are all too willing to get on your knees and allow them to make such choices does mean we have to do so. I cannot believe some people.
I just don't see it. Both of your posts just sound like entitled rants. You purchased the pack when it didn't have the exclusive extra, now it has it. Big deal. If you want the stuff that's available NOW, then buy it... that stuff wasn't available THEN.
No one forced you to buy the merc pack, and no one said "we will never make a similar offer with more/different stuff". To be clear, you guys (and I as well) didn't buy the "SAME PACK", because this merc pack is a special offer to entice people to buy it RIGHT NOW... not 2 months ago, not 2 weeks ago, not 2 days ago, NOW. The pack WE bought was the one from previously that didn't include this offer.
Now look, if you bought the merc pack say... YESTERDAY, I can see at least being irritated and making the argument that maybe they should go ahead and upgrade you to the current offer, but CCP would in no way IMO be ethically or morally obligated to facilitate such a request. There is no "gross obese business practices" occurring here, and it most certainly isn't "unethical" or "wrong", I mean, that level of hyperbole is just utterly ridiculous. They're offering a special incentive if you "act now", there's nothing abnormal about such practices.
Just because you purchased something previously, doesn't mean you should automatically get any free offers that ever end up being offered with the product in the future, that's just absolutely silly. Apply this same argument to anything else and it becomes ridiculous. Hell, Paran's analogy to buying a PS3 and then demanding the free games that come from a different offer after he made the purchase is just as ludicrous.
Seriously, you guys sound ridiculous. |
Baal Roo
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Posted - 2012.09.26 22:42:00 -
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STB-Marston EV wrote:Loss Tovas wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:Fivetimes Infinity wrote:The AUR, booster, and other stuff is all valuable to you and worth the $20 price even discounting the dropsuits. You do not have a leg to stand on. You are not entitled to anything here. This is a separate merc pack and you are not losing out on any value from it on account of having bought the earlier merc pack. But it is the same thing, but with extra added. Wouldn't have a problem with it if it was only the new dropsuits, but this is a slap in the face of early adopters How? I got exactly what they were selling me. They are now offering a new product. I know this might be hard to understand, but you do not deserve anything more just because you want it. ok so does that mean if i just want the new dropsuits, or maybe even just ONE of the new dropsuits, why should we have to pay 20$ dollars for it? This isn't a new deal, its the same deal as the original merc pack, ONLY with more value in it! If i were given the option between the old merc pack, and this one, for the same price, then i (along with just about anyone else who can read) would choose this new one over that, simply because the only difference is that this one has those dropsuits for the same price as the old pack without the dropsuits. Its not about this "entitlement" **** you guys keep bringing up, its about whats fair, and whats value. Personally, i think that if they were going to add a slightely modified merc pack like this, then they should also put up an option to buy each of the items on the merc pack separately or in smaller bundles, so if we dont want to spend a whole nother 20$ we can just spend like 5 - 10 on a smaller variant of the pack (IE: one or two of those dropsuits)
Sure, and if you buy an iPhone 3GS now it's a lot cheaper than it was 2 years ago. So if given the choice between the price from 2 years ago and the price now, clearly the price now is the better deal. Thus, Apple should refund everyone's money who paid the original price since it is now available much cheaper, amirite? Fair's fair after all.
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Baal Roo
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Posted - 2012.09.27 01:44:00 -
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Rorek IronBlood wrote:
Do not waste your breath on that fool. As soon as he whipped out the "entitled" crutch as his main stay argument I stopped listening, reading or caring as to his/her opinion.
Yes, as soon as you read one offhand comment that offends your sensibilities you stick your fingers in your ears and start yelling "I can't hear you la la la la". Clearly, I'm the fool.
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They do not get it, and they are the same people that are part of the problem with this industry. They'll defend the industry on every choice they make and no matter how bad the legit consumer is depressed, and brutalized. They have a mental illness for people like them -- Stockholmes syndrome. Seriously I bet he still believes that 'piracy' is the real threat to the industry.
Absolutely not. Your strawman is, like the rest of your argument, patently ridiculous.
I would love to hear exactly what the "problem" is that you believe I am a part of though. I assure you, I am not defending "the industry" here, I simply disagree that this particular instance warrants the outrage you two seem to have whipped yourselves into. This is a limited time offer for some vanity paint job outfits, buy NOW get some random extra bullshit. Big deal. You spent your $20 (I spent my $10) on the Merc Pack because welooked at what it offered at the price given, and determined it to be worth our money. Nothing that happens after that point is relevant to that decision.
As far as I can tell, you and Paran believe that you should be awarded any bonus items they release from now until what... the open beta begins? Launch? Forever? Simply because you once purchased the merc pack? That's just ridiculous.
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Moving on though to the topic. I agree with you, Paran Tadec, in that the MAG affiliated dropsuits should be released back onto the market as they were before, or sent to everyone who has ever purchased one or more of the 'mercenary pack' either then or now. As you pointed out it's the exact same 'mercencary pack' now with a "small" limited timed window for which to obtain these dropsuits which is ludicrous if not inane, unethical and wrong.
I'm still waiting for an explanation of why you believe that offering limited time deals is "ludicrous if not inane, unethical and wrong."
Again, it seems you now believe you are entitled (deal with it, it's the most appropriate word to use in this instance) to any and all content that is released at the $20 price point, simply because you once spent $20 on content.
I just don't understand how you can come to such a conclusion. It has nothing to do with the "industry" or being a "puppet" or whatever other silly insults you can toss my way, but rather just a basic lack of understanding on how a rational person comes to such a conclusion.
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It certainly sends the wrong signals to those of us whom are supporting this game, and testing it even, and the fans here. Especially those of whom as I said before supported the [beta] by buying these packs initially upon their release.
And what exactly are these "wrong signals"? |
Baal Roo
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Posted - 2012.09.27 01:45:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:Rorek IronBlood wrote:
Do not waste your breath on that fool. As soon as he whipped out the "entitled" crutch as his main stay argument I stopped listening, reading or caring as to his/her opinion. They do not get it, and they are the same people that are part of the problem with this industry. They'll defend the industry on every choice they make and no matter how bad the legit consumer is depressed, and brutalized. They have a mental illness for people like them -- Stockholmes syndrome. Seriously I bet he still believes that 'piracy' is the real threat to the industry.
Moving on though to the topic. I agree with you, Paran Tadec, in that the MAG affiliated dropsuits should be released back onto the market as they were before, or sent to everyone who has ever purchased one or more of the 'mercenary pack' either then or now. As you pointed out it's the exact same 'mercencary pack' now with a "small" limited timed window for which to obtain these dropsuits which is ludicrous if not inane, unethical and wrong. It certainly sends the wrong signals to those of us whom are supporting this game, and testing it even, and the fans here. Especially those of whom as I said before supported the [beta] by buying these packs initially upon their release.
Exactly. Imagine if you just picked up one of the new PS3's for this game, got the stuff that came with it for Dust, and decided to get that merc pack too, and then logged in here to see that if they only waited 12 hours they would have gotten 3 EXTRA suits. They would, rightly, feel cheated.
Yes, imagine you go to JC Penny and buy a pair of pants, and then the next day the pants go on sale. OH THE HUMANITY. They're the same pants! Clearly you've been "cheated". |
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