DUST Search - New mercpack and dropsuits

Paran Tadec wrote:

Rorek IronBlood wrote:

Do not waste your breath on that fool. As soon as he whipped out the "entitled" crutch as his main stay argument I stopped listening, reading or caring as to his/her opinion. They do not get it, and they are the same people that are part of the problem with this industry. They'll defend the industry on every choice they make and no matter how bad the legit consumer is depressed, and brutalized. They have a mental illness for people like them -- Stockholmes syndrome. Seriously I bet he still believes that 'piracy' is the real threat to the industry.

Moving on though to the topic. I agree with you, Paran Tadec, in that the MAG affiliated dropsuits should be released back onto the market as they were before, or sent to everyone who has ever purchased one or more of the 'mercenary pack' either then or now. As you pointed out it's the exact same 'mercencary pack' now with a "small" limited timed window for which to obtain these dropsuits which is ludicrous if not inane, unethical and wrong. It certainly sends the wrong signals to those of us whom are supporting this game, and testing it even, and the fans here. Especially those of whom as I said before supported the [beta] by buying these packs initially upon their release.

Exactly. Imagine if you just picked up one of the new PS3's for this game, got the stuff that came with it for Dust, and decided to get that merc pack too, and then logged in here to see that if they only waited 12 hours they would have gotten 3 EXTRA suits. They would, rightly, feel cheated.

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Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 902	Posted - 2012.09.27 00:59:00 - [91] - Quote Rorek IronBlood wrote: Do not waste your breath on that fool. As soon as he whipped out the "entitled" crutch as his main stay argument I stopped listening, reading or caring as to his/her opinion. They do not get it, and they are the same people that are part of the problem with this industry. They'll defend the industry on every choice they make and no matter how bad the legit consumer is depressed, and brutalized. They have a mental illness for people like them -- Stockholmes syndrome. Seriously I bet he still believes that 'piracy' is the real threat to the industry. Moving on though to the topic. I agree with you, Paran Tadec, in that the MAG affiliated dropsuits should be released back onto the market as they were before, or sent to everyone who has ever purchased one or more of the 'mercenary pack' either then or now. As you pointed out it's the exact same 'mercencary pack' now with a "small" limited timed window for which to obtain these dropsuits which is ludicrous if not inane, unethical and wrong. It certainly sends the wrong signals to those of us whom are supporting this game, and testing it even, and the fans here. Especially those of whom as I said before supported the [beta] by buying these packs initially upon their release. Exactly. Imagine if you just picked up one of the new PS3's for this game, got the stuff that came with it for Dust, and decided to get that merc pack too, and then logged in here to see that if they only waited 12 hours they would have gotten 3 EXTRA suits. They would, rightly, feel cheated.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2012.09.27 01:44:00 - [92] - Quote Rorek IronBlood wrote: Do not waste your breath on that fool. As soon as he whipped out the "entitled" crutch as his main stay argument I stopped listening, reading or caring as to his/her opinion. Yes, as soon as you read one offhand comment that offends your sensibilities you stick your fingers in your ears and start yelling "I can't hear you la la la la". Clearly, I'm the fool. Quote: They do not get it, and they are the same people that are part of the problem with this industry. They'll defend the industry on every choice they make and no matter how bad the legit consumer is depressed, and brutalized. They have a mental illness for people like them -- Stockholmes syndrome. Seriously I bet he still believes that 'piracy' is the real threat to the industry. Absolutely not. Your strawman is, like the rest of your argument, patently ridiculous. I would love to hear exactly what the "problem" is that you believe I am a part of though. I assure you, I am not defending "the industry" here, I simply disagree that this particular instance warrants the outrage you two seem to have whipped yourselves into. This is a limited time offer for some vanity paint job outfits, buy NOW get some random extra bullshit. Big deal. You spent your $20 (I spent my $10) on the Merc Pack because welooked at what it offered at the price given, and determined it to be worth our money. Nothing that happens after that point is relevant to that decision. As far as I can tell, you and Paran believe that you should be awarded any bonus items they release from now until what... the open beta begins? Launch? Forever? Simply because you once purchased the merc pack? That's just ridiculous. Quote: Moving on though to the topic. I agree with you, Paran Tadec, in that the MAG affiliated dropsuits should be released back onto the market as they were before, or sent to everyone who has ever purchased one or more of the 'mercenary pack' either then or now. As you pointed out it's the exact same 'mercencary pack' now with a "small" limited timed window for which to obtain these dropsuits which is ludicrous if not inane, unethical and wrong. I'm still waiting for an explanation of why you believe that offering limited time deals is "ludicrous if not inane, unethical and wrong." Again, it seems you now believe you are entitled (deal with it, it's the most appropriate word to use in this instance) to any and all content that is released at the $20 price point, simply because you once spent $20 on content. I just don't understand how you can come to such a conclusion. It has nothing to do with the "industry" or being a "puppet" or whatever other silly insults you can toss my way, but rather just a basic lack of understanding on how a rational person comes to such a conclusion. Quote: It certainly sends the wrong signals to those of us whom are supporting this game, and testing it even, and the fans here. Especially those of whom as I said before supported the [beta] by buying these packs initially upon their release. And what exactly are these "wrong signals"?
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2012.09.27 01:45:00 - [93] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Rorek IronBlood wrote: Do not waste your breath on that fool. As soon as he whipped out the "entitled" crutch as his main stay argument I stopped listening, reading or caring as to his/her opinion. They do not get it, and they are the same people that are part of the problem with this industry. They'll defend the industry on every choice they make and no matter how bad the legit consumer is depressed, and brutalized. They have a mental illness for people like them -- Stockholmes syndrome. Seriously I bet he still believes that 'piracy' is the real threat to the industry. Moving on though to the topic. I agree with you, Paran Tadec, in that the MAG affiliated dropsuits should be released back onto the market as they were before, or sent to everyone who has ever purchased one or more of the 'mercenary pack' either then or now. As you pointed out it's the exact same 'mercencary pack' now with a "small" limited timed window for which to obtain these dropsuits which is ludicrous if not inane, unethical and wrong. It certainly sends the wrong signals to those of us whom are supporting this game, and testing it even, and the fans here. Especially those of whom as I said before supported the [beta] by buying these packs initially upon their release. Exactly. Imagine if you just picked up one of the new PS3's for this game, got the stuff that came with it for Dust, and decided to get that merc pack too, and then logged in here to see that if they only waited 12 hours they would have gotten 3 EXTRA suits. They would, rightly, feel cheated. Yes, imagine you go to JC Penny and buy a pair of pants, and then the next day the pants go on sale. OH THE HUMANITY. They're the same pants! Clearly you've been "cheated".
Zorasth 4	Posted - 2012.09.27 02:51:00 - [94] - Quote They're just going at it wrong, the bonus should add up until release. Its not about entitlement its about fairness, this game: s still an unfinished product yet they keep trying to make money. Treat us fairly, finish the game THEN we'all shower you with coins.
Lead Squall Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 54	Posted - 2012.09.27 16:50:00 - [95] - Quote Problem: Same merc pack that's been on the market is being sold with extras for same price. Why is that a problem? 1) people want the option of getting the extras without paying for things they already bought solution for 1) sell extras separately for aur, preferably sooner rather than later 2) the extras cheapen the merc packs already bought. A reward new buyers feels like a slight for people who have already paid for theirs. solution for 2) a) warn people that new better packs are coming out. This means people will stop buying the "worse" pack. counter productive at best, but people will feel better about the not getting shafted b) have people who bought the "worse" product a limited window of time (much like the extra) to claim the extra to make the "worse" product on par with the new product. Fewer people will be enticed to buy the new product as they will be getting the enticement for free. However, people will feel that they are being treated fairly and some will become more entitled. c)keep things as they are. The difference between the packs is not just content, but time, as such people who bought the packs previously got a different value than people who buy the packs now. As such, the merc pack in question needs extras to keep the value up. More people will buy this new pack, but many will be wary about splurging on merc packs as there will always be the next cooler merc pack. This will result in the most packs being sold now, but may curtail sales in the future. Further, this will result in people feeling cheated. There is one problem with the problem as stated above. People who got the beta key with the merc pack did get a different value than people who bought the pack and were already in the beta. Those people (including me) may, arguably, be disqualified from the discussion, as they already got their "extra." /$.02
Mode Torsen ZionTCD Legacy Rising 11	Posted - 2012.09.27 16:54:00 - [96] - Quote my question is where is this new merc pack? I don't see it on the store, and none of the new suits are available on the market. It was announced to be released 9/27 11:30 GMT
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2012.09.27 17:24:00 - [97] - Quote Zorasth wrote: I wouldn't mind CCP doing this if the game was released but doing this during beta just feels like a desperate grab for money. Everyone who bought the merc pack early was told that its content might change but we would get equivalents in exchange. There's been 3 versions so far, the original merc pack who most bought early because they wanted to encourage CCP in making this game. The 10$ PS+ pack from a few weeks ago and now this one with bullshit extras. The game is still in beta yet its cost some of us as much as a full game simply because we wanted what amounts to the equivalent of day 1 dlc in real games. This is my issue as well. I have no problem with "the game will change" in a live game. I play EVE and that's a reality, you adapt or you die, that's fine and honestly even something that adds fun to the game. But that's in a live game, in a *beta* things are a bit different, value is much more in flux, items are much more in flux, in fact everything is much more in flux. Beside the flux we're not getting the value of our play time reflected in game, due to character wipes. Wipes are fine it's a beta, that's part of beta, but here's the rub when you start to sell merchandise (virtual in this case) within the contest of a game in flux with beta wipes? And then offer the same merchandise (again for IRL cash) with a limited promotion tagged on that the prior purchases don't qualify for? Hummm See if a buy a Merc Pack in the live game and do it early and am benefiting from it starting the day I buy it and then later and new promotion comes out with extras then that's fine, I've gotten some actual value from the purchase (compared to the new one) because I've gotten to use it for the intervening time and have something to show for it. However when all ISK, skill points, etc. are reset then the value of the Merc Pack purchase is only derived from the contents so when the same contents are offered plus extras at an equivalent price point then that does get pretty questionable. It'd sort of be like CCP calling for a subscription fee to play on sisi.... oh wait In a market economy value is subjective, which means devaluing your own product by releasing another that undercuts it is bad marketing even if it works in the short term (from a PR stand point alone tho it effects more). Something that I expect CCP knows considering their work in the real world econ and that EVE has a huge economic component. Which makes this move weird to me... My 0.02 ISK Cross EDIT: The cynic in me wants to comment on the addition of new "limited time" BPO dropsuits to the new Merc Pack right after CCP announce that milita gear is going to become BPC... but aside from mentioning that it happened I'll leave it alone for now.
Soleire 90	Posted - 2012.09.27 23:54:00 - [98] - Quote I don't feel like I was owed the suits but not getting them sorta feels like being spat upon by a game I was rooting for and gave money for as soon as I could to show my support. Make changes like that after the beta, fine but doing that before the game is out is just an craven moneygrubbing move.
Sin3 DeusNomine Doomheim 142	Posted - 2012.09.28 00:18:00 - [99] - Quote I agree that CCP is making another monocle mistake here. This is stil beta currently and the game is not out. So currently people are buying a preorder offer when they buy the mercenary pack. Now you switch your preorder offer and add more goods in it. And then say hey guys ya you where loyal dedicated players and preorder our goods/content before the game came out but screw you we are going to give these new guys better goods because we just want to sell more content and earn more $$. So you are stuck buying these things. It is horrible way to sell goods to consumers because you hurt your busness. I could see if the game was out already and I already gained the advantage of buying right away. but now with the game still not released it is poor planing. And shows disrespect to players who have preorder content/packs before the game has even been release when your giving others a better and more goods with there packs.
BursegSardaukar Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 55	Posted - 2012.09.28 01:19:00 - [100] - Quote I bought both, I do really support CCP. As long as I can resell copies of BPO's or give them away to a friend, then I have no problems here.

tribal wyvern ZionTCD Legacy Rising 673	Posted - 2012.09.28 01:58:00 - [101] - Quote Ok, im seeing alot of people moaning because 'wah wah the new merc pack is exactly the same as the old merc pack except for the mag suits, im not buying the same pack again wah wah', well all I can is SO WHAT! If you buy the pack for the 2nd time that means you are getting DOUBLE the consumables (boosters etc) that you get REFUNDED each new build, and one final time for full launch, so that means on launch you are going to have all those nice little assets that will get you double sp etc so you can get a nice amount of sp on launch, I don't see the problem. you'll have two smg's that you can sell on the player market for a tidy amount of isk, same goes for the dragonfly dropsuit and anything else you have double of. If you can't see the PROFIT you can gain from the double assets in the long run then you're a fool. Buy it/don't buy it, but don't complain when people have advanced in terms of sp and isk when you haven't. 'Why is this player in advanced suits when im still in militia?' 'How can that player afford prototype a$$ault rifles when im using standard?.....we started the game at the same time' Well..........thank the profits from selling double items on the player market and using boosters. There ya go!
Encharrion L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 104	Posted - 2012.09.28 03:22:00 - [102] - Quote The problem isn't that they are promoting a limited time sale, the problem is that they are promoting the merc pack with gear that provides a definite in game advantage by being a non-militia BPOs, and then not providing a way to acquire those items without repurchasing the merc pack. I've already paid for the merc pack once, and if I wanted a second one I would have gotten it by now. I don't want to buy a second merc pack JUST to get the extra bonus. If I could purchase just the new suits for $9, sure. It would likely be better to buy the merc pack because you get the suits for free, but I would feel less ripped off. It would be more like "Hey, we are selling new suits, and if you buy the merc pack now you get the new stuff thrown in for free."
skank hoe Bragian Order Amarr Empire 23	Posted - 2012.09.28 03:31:00 - [103] - Quote this is the third merc pack i'm buying..... I'm fine with the goodies, now I don't have to keep buying lvl 2 logi dropsuits (until I hit lvl 5). Besides, it's not like your money goes to waste when the game comes out.
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2012.09.28 04:20:00 - [104] - Quote Encharrion wrote: The problem isn't that they are promoting a limited time sale, the problem is that they are promoting the merc pack with gear that provides a definite in game advantage by being a non-militia BPOs, and then not providing a way to acquire those items without repurchasing the merc pack. I've already paid for the merc pack once, and if I wanted a second one I would have gotten it by now. I don't want to buy a second merc pack JUST to get the extra bonus. If I could purchase just the new suits for $9, sure. It would likely be better to buy the merc pack because you get the suits for free, but I would feel less ripped off. It would be more like "Hey, we are selling new suits, and if you buy the merc pack now you get the new stuff thrown in for free." And doing so within such a short time frame of announcing that milita BPOs are going to become BPCs. So we have a Merc Pack to buy, we buy it, we use it. We have milita BPOs we buy them we use them. (less of an issue here, they're ISK buys and we all know resets are coming) Then comes the announcement that 'for in game economic reasons' milita BPOs will become BPCs Now we have a "new" Merc Pack, with limited time extras that are BPO dropsuits... oh and the "buy before this date" promo is also "buy after that other date". Which is effectively pretty close to "for a limited time you can re-buy this product to retain the functionality you currently have". Of course the Merc Pack, even with the promo won't actually give the same degree of coverage as the current milita BPOs, and of course the Merc Pack has value even without the promotion (the skill booster anyone?). But as previously stated devaluing ones own goods (or creating an artificial need) is bad practice in a dynamic where one would like to maintain and/or cultivate general good will. Cheers, Cross ps ~ all the "I see nothing but QQ'ing" style posters need not respond. I've purchased 4 Merc Packs, some of them during the current promotion. I play EVE on more than one account and I think CCP is one of the best in the business development wise (one of the only ones I respect that's not either Indy or CD Projekt Red). But none of that actually makes this a good move and all those posts waving the above reasons as flags are basically a straw man style evasion of the actual concern/issue that other Dust players are raising.
OG DonHel 65	Posted - 2012.09.28 06:16:00 - [105] - Quote Tarn Adari wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: Fivetimes Infinity wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: But it is the same thing, but with extra added. Wouldn't have a problem with it if it was only the new dropsuits, but this is a slap in the face of early adopters Those same things still have value. The extra 40,000 AUR is worth the same to you as the first 40,000 AUR. The 30-day skill booster is still worth $15, just like the other 30-day skill booster you have. Even discounting the items and dropsuits, the AUR and booster alone make the merc packs a bargain and are worthwhile purchases if you see yourself playing Dust for a while. The fact that there are extra dropsuits added is just a nice bonus on top. Their value is dimisnished. If the merc pack was available and allowed for a choice between a scout, logi or assualt suit, I would have picked logi. This new one gives you ALL of them, for the same price. Can anybody help me find the sense in this post? I don't get it....how does free suits diminish the value of a booster or Aurum? See thing is though, these are not just consumable added items, but 3 seperate class suit BPO, meaning they wont have to pay for any decent suits for a long time, there are alot of people who feel cheated from this.. . I'm still pissed that ccp sold these in the market for a few days, then ganked them from us during a wipe to later put 2 months down the road into this merc pack -_-. They were around 2k aurum each I believe.
Soleire 90	Posted - 2012.09.28 11:21:00 - [106] - Quote They were 1200 so 12k now.
Geirskoegul Soul-Strike 134	Posted - 2012.09.28 11:45:00 - [107] - Quote As others have pointed out, the point is that it's taking something some of us already bought BEFORE THE GAME IS OUT, and offerring extras on it. This isn't a promotional item to get more people to play in general once the game is released, this isn't "just the new items" (which would be more than reasonable), this is "hey guys, we know a ton of you bought it even though you already had all-access codes, but now we're going to give people that DIDN"T want to jump in early the chance for EXTRA free goodies. All that said, I'll be buying another one just to cover my ass (and hopefully they let me transfer aurum to my EVE toon eventually, since there're no Dust AUR items that interest me), since I don't expect we'll get an answer in time, but I'm not pleased about the idea of this. At a bare minimum, all of the extra permanent items this promotion includes should have been offerred, simultaneously, as a separate purchase for those of us already in / who already have the merc pack. I get the promotional nature of it, but from a PR and perception angle, this just leaves a bad taste in the mouth. The game isn't even released, let alone has it been that long since the merc pack was made available. This is stuff so that those that really want in early can pay in and support development to get the ACTUAL release, this isn't supposed to be the primary method of monetization, but doing something like this certainly makes it feel like it is. Is Dust 514 actually free-to-play, but in closed beta right now? Or is it a $19.95 game that's already released to the public and comes with some extras to get you started? Because doing a promotion like this, especially without grandfathering those of us with the pack already, sure as hell feels like it. EDIT: And by the way, I don't give a damn about the AUR or ANY of the consumables. The only thing I care about are the actual BPOs. I'm a cheap SOB, and even before they brought in mouse support, i managed to make a very nice showing for myself using BPO equipment almost exclusively. I just want the damn BPOs; to hell with the rest. Even if they weren't that good, it's a matter of collecting for me. EDIT 2: The merc pack most closely resembles a pre-order bonus: early access, extra goodies, etc. Traditionally, when things are added to the list of pre-order bonuses on a game, all those that had already pre-ordered ALSO get the new stuff that was added. Doing something like this merely discourages anyone from buying in, because who knows what extra goodies they'll get if they wait? Failing to grandfather the additions to those that already had it sets a bad precident and will cause fewer people to buy in, in the future; they'll simply keep waiting and listening to any rumor, because who knows what they'll add in if they just wait a bit longer? Meanwhile cash-flow trickles down to nothing because no one buys in, because they just know they'll get a better deal if they wait. I want this game to rock, especially since PlanetSide 2 is proving to be even worse than post-BFR PlanetSide (it's already nothing but aircraft using rocket-spam against infantry, and a single aircraft can pin down dozens of ground troops), this is the game with the most potential right now. Don't kill it before it starts by monetizing it improperly, punishing early adopters, and getting greedy or double-dipping by making us rebuy crap we don't want, just to get a couple new extras we do.
jpmannu Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 13	Posted - 2012.09.28 11:48:00 - [108] - Quote sorry guys, let me get this straight, I went for the second merc pack purchase, now I have some double items, double AUR plus the MAG dropsuits...I just dont understand whether I have to assign all the stuff to the character or I'll have to keep it not assigned until final commercial release or maybe this doesn't matter...its just I dont speak good english and dont understand fully...with redeeming dropsuits you mean assigning them?...thanx
Geirskoegul Soul-Strike 134	Posted - 2012.09.28 11:54:00 - [109] - Quote jpmannu wrote: sorry guys, let me get this straight, I went for the second merc pack purchase, now I have some double items, double AUR plus the MAG dropsuits...I just dont understand whether I have to assign all the stuff to the character or I'll have to keep it not assigned until final commercial release or maybe this doesn't matter...its just I dont speak good english and dont understand fully...with redeeming dropsuits you mean assigning them?...thanx It resets like everything else when they do character wipes. You can assign now, and after the next wipe, it'll be available to assign again.
Brahma El Indio Bragian Order Amarr Empire 171	Posted - 2012.09.28 12:43:00 - [110] - Quote Raven suit looked better in the "original version" but had fun with it and my crg shotgun....lol those three guys on the catwalk....

Alshadow Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 71	Posted - 2012.09.28 13:29:00 - [111] - Quote they should at least give the MAG suits to former MAG players..... im just sayin.... im not gonna be home to get on the ps store for another 3 days, and its alittle B.S. tht i cant get them, i was already really butthurt when they let us buy the suits last build and we only got to have them for alittle while
Tyas Borg Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 112	Posted - 2012.09.28 14:03:00 - [112] - Quote Lots of posts made here that are very interesting from both perspectives. My personal view is that CCP have moved the goal posts for a pre-order bonus to a game that isn't even finished or released yet. That to me is very worrying at such an early stage and should be ringing alarm bells. I would've loved these suits as I pretty much only use the standard suits, so this would've saved me packets in game. The fact is I literally can't afford a pack this weekend, yet I've already showed my support and bought the merc pack, (Which I might add I paid for another full beta access code that I haven't been given). Now they setup this very very limited time offer with no way to make use of the suits later on. The suits matter a lot more than the AUR or boosters to people like me tbh.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2012.09.28 14:12:00 - [113] - Quote So why are the new items only available with purchase of an old item? If they are worth $6 on their own then why not offer that as a choice in a new, different pack? This is severely sleazy marketing going on.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.09.28 14:13:00 - [114] - Quote I actually have enough 30 days booster for the first 6 months of launch now. Thats without using any of the 240,000 AUR i have from the Merc packs.
Lord Pheal Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2012.09.28 16:07:00 - [115] - Quote 2012.09.28 13:14:00 -á GM Vegas Hello, Thanks for your email. Unfortunately the Merc Pack Dropsuits offer only applies to new purchases and as such the 3x Dropsuits will not be allocated to users who previoulsy purchased the Merc Pack. Regards, GM Bishop DUST 514 Customer Support Team 2012.09.28 13:10:00 -á None Hi if we bought the merc pack when it first got out will we be eligible for the tribute skins? Would be sad to be penalized because we bought it first and no reason to buy it again... Please advise. Thanks.
Geirskoegul Soul-Strike 134	Posted - 2012.09.30 20:17:00 - [116] - Quote Lord Pheal wrote: 2012.09.28 13:14:00 -á GM Vegas Hello, Thanks for your email. Unfortunately the Merc Pack Dropsuits offer only applies to new purchases and as such the 3x Dropsuits will not be allocated to users who previoulsy purchased the Merc Pack. Regards, GM Bishop DUST 514 Customer Support Team 2012.09.28 13:10:00 -á None Hi if we bought the merc pack when it first got out will we be eligible for the tribute skins? Would be sad to be penalized because we bought it first and no reason to buy it again... Please advise. Thanks. Ok, seriously, if this alleged GM quote is legit, this seriously needs to be addressed. That's some seriously **** up , especially since many probably already repurchased the pack to get the new additions. I've got nearly a decade in eve and supporting ccp, i intend to continue doing so, but this is some actiblizzion/WoW-type screw and milk the customer **.


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