It's an insanely situational weapon though, unlike the tank. AV grenades ONLY work on vehicles. Tanks work against everything.

the AV people preached about how there should never be one and now that they have it they don't say anything but nonsensical remarks. when i mean i win here is a story: i drive up in a madrugar and shoot some people. i can't retreat because of an OP railgun instalation so im forced forwards. some one comes up behind me and spams all three nades at me and im dead. no way to turn in time and no way to escape in time. although i admit that i only paid 3 mil for it i used 4 damage reductions so it shouldn't of died that quickly from a 1000 isk(around that much) weapon

Dude. Your other thread just got locked. Give it up already, you HAD a win button as a tank driver, now you DON'T HAVE a win button as a tank driver, get over it.

OP railgun instalation

Thing is, you can't just start complaining after one bad situation. I played a lot of matches today, and I'm fine with tanks now.

Exact same face I made.

I kinda figured since installations are non mobile defensive emplacements, they're kinda supposed to be freakishly strong. Besides, 3-4 shots from a Standard tank railgun will destroy any weapon emplacement...they're easy to deal with as long as you don't go charging at them like an idiot.

the AV people preached about how there should never be one and now that they have it they don't say anything but nonsensical remarks. when i mean i win here is a story: i drive up in a madrugar and shoot some people. i can't retreat because of an OP railgun instalation so im forced forwards. some one comes up behind me and spams all three nades at me and im dead. no way to turn in time and no way to escape in time. although i admit that i only paid 3 mil for it i used 4 damage reductions so it shouldn't of died that quickly from a 1000 isk(around that much) weapon

i had a blaster, it was out of range and also im pretty sure they have a proto level turret that shouldn't be accesable by just any one

i highly doubt it that this is the end of the line in terms of vehicle/AV balance. What we experience is total extremes before we had very strong tanks now we have extreme effective AV weapons. Dont you guys get it? CCP wants that we play in a certain way. If your tank gets allmost instantly blowed then CCP doesnt want that you "test" tanks and focus more on infantry. In my opinion we will see something combined like good Av weapons vs good tanks. Well im gonna see how it is in the next build.

Wait.

So, you called in a tank when you knew anti armor defense systems were still in place, and decided to engage in an area covered by them anyways.

Then you lost your tank between the railgun and enough time to be hit by 3 AV grenades without you or your gunner taking that guy out.

And that makes tanks UP?

Did I get that right?

no, you didn't. i healed up before going forwards to sheild my allies from 3 assault people. my allies were retards and couldn't handle one enemy so then, not knowing there were any enemies behind me some one came with av nades and droped me from 100% to 0%. also i didn't see anyone prior to this so i didn't have a chance to get a gunner.

no, you didn't. i healed up before going forwards to sheild my allies from 3 assault people. my allies were retards and couldn't handle one enemy so then, not knowing there were any enemies behind me some one came with av nades and droped me from 100% to 0%. also i didn't see anyone prior to this so i didn't have a chance to get a gunner.

So basically, you rolled up in a bad position, with enemies in the back and front.. with no infantry covering your ass and you expected to survive?

Dumb **** right there.

The i win button is sniper rifles now

I thought it was Cavity grenades?

Then that is your teams fault. Do not blame the AV weapons because your team went full ****** on you and left you in the ****.
Instead, why didn't you just hang back? I tell you, theres been so many times I've had a tank supporting me, I've been engaged by a player (and just to clarify, I'm a **** shot who spends most of his time repairing or flying) and that Tank has just rolled on ahead leaving me to get annihilated, then gets done in himself because I wasn't there to help repair. He may well of seen a group of people charging towards us and wanted to "shield" me from the enemy, but it clearly didn't help me right there and in the end, didn't help him.

I thought it was Cavity grenades?

the AV people preached about how there should never be one and now that they have it they don't say anything but nonsensical remarks. when i mean i win here is a story: i drive up in a madrugar and shoot some people. i can't retreat because of an OP railgun instalation so im forced forwards. some one comes up behind me and spams all three nades at me and im dead. no way to turn in time and no way to escape in time. although i admit that i only paid 3 mil for it i used 4 damage reductions so it shouldn't of died that quickly from a 1000 isk(around that much) weapon

It is Cavity grenades, he's just crying because he has a "Sniping is OP" thread. Which is based on flawed logic since the thread agrees that sniping damage is fine, there is just no one killing snipers, and the snipers giving anecdotes are people sniping CORRECTLY and in a SKILLED fashion.

It is Cavity grenades, he's just crying because he has a "Sniping is OP" thread. Which is based on flawed logic since the thread agrees that sniping damage is fine, there is just no one killing snipers, and the snipers giving anecdotes are people sniping CORRECTLY and in a SKILLED fashion.

someone flies a dropship to the Plateaus tower, and literally NINE snipers are hanging out up there. *facepalm*

The whole point of my threads is there shouldn't be one hit kills(other than vehicle to infantry like cruisers to frigates in eve) in a game designed to be like eve

Your logic doesn't follow. Should a mass driver one shot a scout or assault? Forge Gun? What about a high powered rifle that's designed to send a huge caliber bullet over massive spaces to destroy lightly armored infantry?

Have you looked at how real life works at all? Honestly, I don't use the charge rifle on my sniper suit and I'm perfectly ok with having the occasional 2 shot kill, or just wounding people for the assist.

Sniper rifles are doing their job. People aren't using teamwork to coordinate help or countersniping.

Real life? Do we have walking tanks in real life carrying forge guns the fact that the mas driver is a close range and low velocity means you have to be still to take a direct hit, and similar with shot guns

We have people in real life carrying a multitude of anti-tank weaponry. In fact the most dangerous thing to the tanks in modern combat aside from mines are plain old infantry. If they get up close, a tank is literally toast. Even at range you have anti-tank rifles, anti-armor rounds, tons of remote, ground-launchable explosives, and more.

The mass driver is a grenade launcher. Tell me someone should be standing after taking a hit from one of those. Same for a shotgun to the face, or a sniper rifle round to the face.

No matter how sci-fi the game is, it's GROUNDED IN SOMETHING. Otherwise you would have to actually learn how the shields work, and why certain frequency space weapons destroy shields but barely damage flesh or machinery, and likewise how come bullets are stopped by shields but destroy flesh, and you would have high speed expanding projectiles for vehicles and machines.

Just stop, fantasy games are fantasy but they stick very close to reality to avoid having to compensate for what they introduce. Ask yourself what good is a shield that stops bullets if it doesn't always stop bullets? Why would bullets hitting energy cause less bullets to be able to be stopped (depleting shields)? Energy is just energy moving and if something is repelled by it, energy is pure force. No matter can deter it, so shield should always stay at the same power and only be pierced by certain weaponry.

I hope this is clear, so you'll just stop whining and more importantly stop coming up with kitten-brained responses.

A lot of cry babies on the forum.

I died, that means whatever killed me is OP!!

I killed you with a sniper rifle right?

It's quite likely. Your rifle is OP, so is the hill that you may have been standing on. Your crouching stance is also OP, it NEEDS to be nerfed.

This game is so unbalanced.

To the OP. This is CLEARLY a L2P issue. Tanks are no longer an instant win button. AV is powerful, but if you knew what you were doing, you could have avoided the loss. What is the number of people that you think should be able to kill you? The entire team hitting you with a crappy alpha all at once with proto weps and MAYBE taking out your shields? You sir just need to quit playing.

the AV people preached about how there should never be one and now that they have it they don't say anything but nonsensical remarks. when i mean i win here is a story: i drive up in a madrugar and shoot some people. i can't retreat because of an OP railgun instalation so im forced forwards. some one comes up behind me and spams all three nades at me and im dead. no way to turn in time and no way to escape in time. although i admit that i only paid 3 mil for it i used 4 damage reductions so it shouldn't of died that quickly from a 1000 isk(around that much) weapon

To the OP. This is CLEARLY a L2P issue. Tanks are no longer an instant win button. AV is powerful, but if you knew what you were doing, you could have avoided the loss. What is the number of people that you think should be able to kill you? The entire team hitting you with a crappy alpha all at once with proto weps and MAYBE taking out your shields? You sir just need to quit playing.

Tanks were never instant I win except in the hands of the very skilled, just as AV were. Atleast the railgun and missile turrets DONT HOME IN ON A TARGET like swarms and AV grenades.

Tanks up until recently were always an I win button, unless you were a complete moron.

its not one situation, the nade spamming pisses me off a lot but still i only made this thread to make AV realize that they are being kind of hypocritical

Fubar. Wrong thread...

to the people who say tanks were iwin, the only map that applies to is the map that was made in this new build because it has no cover. considering that you almost always can tell where a tank is you can just hide from it.

also i have said on the first page some information about what happened that makes a lot of your posts not make sense

god i hate the ignorence of these AV people...

i have said plenty of times before infantry never want to actually help tanks, it is usually because they come from games where teamwork doesen't exist(such as cod) or they don't wan't the tanks to steal their kills.

to the people saying that any tank driver with skill can servive, you are basicly saying: let the guy with the expensive stuff require skill, we shoudn't need any because we usually have 2 other people working with us.

to the people who say tanks were iwin, the only map that applies to is the map that was made in this new build because it has no cover. considering that you almost always can tell where a tank is you can just hide from it.

also i have said on the first page some information about what happened that makes a lot of your posts not make sense