EVE is essentially instanced between the solar systems, using the gates to go in-between . What are you expecting them to do, render every planet? I wouldn't mind it, but it could be a hard feat.

As far as we know now, the War Barge will operate like any ship in EVE, allowing you to warp between planets and possibly even to use stargates. Its already been confirmed as well that you'll be able to go anywhere you wish in the War Barge.

Yes it will. In a way suited for the PS3 FPS experience.
What are your doubts with this?

As far as we know now, the War Barge will operate like any ship in EVE, allowing you to warp between planets and possibly even to use stargates. Its already been confirmed as well that you'll be able to go anywhere you wish in the War Barge.

intresting where did you find this out? and that would be intresting if that is the case then hopefully it is big with multiple levels. and rooms etc

No it won't.
What we can do is choose a planet, a distinct, to fight on but once you are on the surface invisible walls (unsafe zones) will tells you where you can and can't go.
We are also bound by times so no ongoing war as in PanetSide.
No freedom as in open world games.
Sandbox elements in Dust 514 are nonexistent.

Dust is just another FPS with a matchmaking system; simply here will be called "star map" instead than "choose map".
We asked to remove at least the unsafe zones, the invisible walls, but CCP din't do it, nor will do it.
Also don't mistake map with actual playzone; actual playzone is smaller then the overall map/district.

All we're seeing is the high-sec matchmaking system designed for more casual players. The maps used for Faction Warfare are far larger, will have larger player counts, and may not even have time limits.

I see a lot of people assuming that what we're seeing now is all the game will ever be, which is completely counter to everything CCP has done in the past. You really think a company that has put as much effort as they have into making EVE one of the better MMOs on the market, and the only one with no PvP player caps is really going to be satisfied with just making another generic shooter and giving it a market hookup?

Maps will be assigned to locations on planets, so a free roam could be option to visit maps that don't have a battle going. To practice flying dropship for example. 5000+ planets, 10-20 districts each, multiple maps per district, plenty of empty maps not being fought over to train/sight see.

They will always have time limits because you have to be outside a battle to extract, exploit, a planet resources.
Also the reality is that Dust is not even a MM= since 32 vs 32 is not enough to qualify you as a MMO.
MAG had more players and paradoxically i was more Massive Mutiplayer Online.

I already discussed this and unless CCP can even get 32 vs 32 running smoothly so long is the road to become a MMO.

They've already said they're working on that, and there's been several mentions of a Dev post saying that they've tested 64 v 64 internally. Yes, it is going to be a long road to making this a fully fleshed out MMO, but Open Beta is this December, and no word yet on a new launch date, so its looking like we've got plenty of time.

The beautiful thing about CCP is that DUST 5 years from now will be a totally different game from DUST at release

And these planets will be divided into separate districts GÇô large territories that contain resources and infrastructures where players can extract materials or to defend it from enemies. When players deploy to fight for control of these districts they will notice that only one thing is staticGǪ the landscape. The hills, valleys, rivers and coasts of a district are unchanging from one deployment to the next. However, the placement of and the types of surface structures available will vary based on decisions made about what is needed for that district on a corporate level. And this will be covered in more detail in a later blog focused on Surface Infrastructure.

Some relevant stuff for this thread:

How dynamic battlefields take shape in dust 514



Dust 514: Seeding the universe

EVE is essentially instanced between the solar systems, using the gates to go in-between . What are you expecting them to do, render every planet? I wouldn't mind it, but it could be a hard feat.

Some relevant stuff for this thread:

How dynamic battlefields take shape in dust 514



Dust 514: Seeding the universe

Dusties should have the ability to deploy to districts they own. This would let them either practice against corp mates (perhaps a personal option for friendly fire on/off would make sense here) and figure out what the map is actually like. It doesn't make sense to be able to deploy to just anyone's piece of land, but also doesn't make sense to go to defend your district and say "great, now which way is the enemy"

It's a good question, Gagah-Boy Brasil.

I think it's fair to say that there are many DUST players who would love some form of free roaming, and also Dust players who couldn't give 2 kittens about it, and in fact would hate if it was forced on them.

It's also prolly fair to say that the same divisions of taste exist within CCP's DUST design team.

Because this is CCP we're dealing with, if the player base expresses a stong enough interest over a long enough time frame, we prolly will get some form of open-world free roam game mode.

The game modes we know about already are:

1) Instanced matches in Planetary districts. CCP has stated and tested that the DUST code scales well, and there is little doubt that we will eventually see 100 vs. 100 battles. That is MMO in my books.

2) Instanced PVE sites where we do the zombie-drone suicide mission thingie. Later there will prolly be other PVE modes. CCP is going to be very cautious with this because of their experiences with the EVE playerbase - it's too easy to suck the life out of the PVP part of the game if you make the PVE too attractive. On the other hand, if CCP can pull it off, it's an incredible opportunity for world-building and immersive education in the New Eden backstory, and also a potentially important game mechanic.

3) Planetary Interaction a la EVE, which will be a graphical overlay on a planet's map and will allow mercs to basically set up extractor, transport systems, refineries and launch pads to get product off-planet. This will most likely be done from the Merc Quarters, and is basically just interaction with a couple of control screens.

4) The warbarge and stations in EVE. Eventually we will have free roam of these environments, the warbarge sooner and stations later. The stations will almost certainly be confined to one deck, or more likely part of one deck, the 'customs, commerce, and recreation' area. There will be customizable player-owned rooms in these areas.


If we want free-roam, the question is what form do we want it to take? It seems impractical to ask for an entire planetary surface to be generated, but to be honest I'm not sure if there is really any game-stopping technical problem with that. At any rate, such a request right now would be unreasonabe, i think.

I'd like to see in the medium-term something that would involve free-roam resource or archeological prospecting in a lonely, remote environment, but one where other players(allied, neutral or enemy), could prospect also. This is the free-roam open world part. A prospector or archeologist would employ their skills and special suit modules as well as deployable equipment & drones to locate dig sites. Imagine the logistics of choosing a loadout for your prospecting LAV or dropship, as well as packing sensor, defensive and offensive installations/drones into a limited volume/weight cargohold. Do you devote half your cargo allowance to a remote CRU unit or go in tough as nails with a single clone? Stealth scout suit with basic scanning modules or tricked out Logi-Prospector suit with god-like information gathering powers?

These sites would be instanced, not free-roam, and PVE or PVP, depending on whether another prospector/team located the same dig site and entered the dig while you were in it.

Hilarity and pants-crapping tension ensues.

or something like that.

nowhere in my statment did i say i want them to render every planet i simply stated that free roam would be an amazing feature t o have an curious if it is going to be included.

Matchmaking.

You could play the game for years and never ONCE step foot on the ground outside of combat. Or, it could be the other way around. You could play for years and not fire a single bullet. So long as neither option is FORCED on anyone, everyone can just play how they like.

Who are you to tell me how to play the game?

free roam world after all they have hinted at and confirmed working on industrial aspects like mining and such aswell as exploration style stuff.

This game will constantly be evolving right along with eve

As many have a hard time acepting there wont be sequels predecessors or decendents of this game there will only be dust514 that the plan.

When the ps4 comes out dust will literally have stretched the ps3 capacity completly and wouldnt have goten an updat for a couple years in fear of burning out everyones ps3 then sony ceo will reveal the ps4 throw it on market and call ccp ceo say alright crash the ps3 which then theyll update the game for the first time in years and because f that noone with a ps3 can play dust 514 because it dont have the capacity.

At somepoint well probally be playing on the entire planet with couple 1000 player teams i could literally fly my dropship for miles and miles going around the world. Not 1 battle be going but many battles each for a dffrent planet tary infanstructure and ceos and commanders will be sitting up in warbarges high in space or over a friendly structer just pointing everyone to primary targets. and up in space 1000s of eveplayers fight to keep the otherside from bombarding there soldeirs or destroying warbarges.

I also see battles without timers the corps be at it for days till 1 the entire planet is under 1 sides control and the other has no more assets or till the contract runs out and the contracter needs to pay more or well they lost. Theres also the senario were 1 side has no reason to fight anymore and treaties get drawn

As for the social asspect well have warbarges for dust players and stations for both eve and dust. I also picture a point were eve and dust players travel to the planets cities and towns built by players owned by players and no longer the market system of today i in effect instead were trading with players that spend there time owning shops and businesses on individual planets.

I picture a day where ccp no longer has 2 individual games but have made a cyberworld that evolves with technology and possibley leads most of th asspect of the realworld

Open Beta is this December

This game will constantly be evolving right along with eve

As many have a hard time acepting there wont be sequels predecessors or decendents of this game there will only be dust514 that the plan.

When the ps4 comes out dust will literally have stretched the ps3 capacity completly and wouldnt have goten an updat for a couple years in fear of burning out everyones ps3 then sony ceo will reveal the ps4 throw it on market and call ccp ceo say alright crash the ps3 which then theyll update the game for the first time in years and because f that noone with a ps3 can play dust 514 because it dont have the capacity.

At somepoint well probally be playing on the entire planet with couple 1000 player teams i could literally fly my dropship for miles and miles going around the world. Not 1 battle be going but many battles each for a dffrent planet tary infanstructure and ceos and commanders will be sitting up in warbarges high in space or over a friendly structer just pointing everyone to primary targets. and up in space 1000s of eveplayers fight to keep the otherside from bombarding there soldeirs or destroying warbarges.

I also see battles without timers the corps be at it for days till 1 the entire planet is under 1 sides control and the other has no more assets or till the contract runs out and the contracter needs to pay more or well they lost. Theres also the senario were 1 side has no reason to fight anymore and treaties get drawn

As for the social asspect well have warbarges for dust players and stations for both eve and dust. I also picture a point were eve and dust players travel to the planets cities and towns built by players owned by players and no longer the market system of today i in effect instead were trading with players that spend there time owning shops and businesses on individual planets.

I picture a day where ccp no longer has 2 individual games but have made a cyberworld that evolves with technology and possibley leads most of th asspect of the realworld

If they can realize half of what they envision DUST will be awesome & unlike anything else out there. If they are successful DUST514 can be a cornerstone of Sony's PS3 and PS4 marketing. XBOX live sure as heck doesn't offer anything like this.

Do you have any idea how irritating it is when you constantly bold everything?

Source?

Actually it'd make it more interesting. You know how many people would jump at the chance just to go and explore planets just for the hell of it. Even if it's in a game. Let me ask you this. How many games involve even being able to actually go on a planet? A full sized one. Not some skimpy little SOE version like they had in SWG that was like 25km by 25km and represented the whole surface. But full several thousands of km's of terrain to run through? The only games I've seen that had that capability were the games from 3000AD. Infinity:Quest for Earth was working on that same thing. Except they were doing the whole space and ground thing as one game.

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We're talking about the idea of being able to openly walk around areas you own, like districts you hold in Faction Warfare or planets you own in null-sec.

Planetside 2 is an open world. But I got a feeling Dust 514 is doing it better because I keep hearing ps2 players cry about the large world and it taking too long to get in battles in the beta.

So because an aspect of gaming doesn't appeal to you, it couldn't possibly appeal to anyone else?

Stfu buddy.

No, it's because opening a third front of a game that doesn't have the problems of the first two fronts ironed out is fundamentally re-tarded. Stfu rookie.[/b]

So they should let all that prerendered terrain go to waste? You're so narrow minded man, it's a damn shame. It literally wouldn't effect you, at all, what so ever, while simultaneously giving others a different aspect to work from. Some people won't EVER touch PvP in this game, and will just kill drones, or, if we can roam, will roam around exploring and finding resources and such.

Get over yourself.

So they should let all that prerendered terrain go to waste? You're so narrow minded man, it's a damn shame. It literally wouldn't effect you, at all, what so ever, while simultaneously giving others a different aspect to work from. Some people won't EVER touch PvP in this game, and will just kill drones, or, if we can roam, will roam around exploring and finding resources and such.

Get over yourself.

[Free-roaming a galaxy doing nothing

And that's why you have resources planet side that can only be found by dusters through use of exploration skills. This game is going to have a TON of players, you won't miss a few spelunkers.

Well, I think I can safely say that every well thought out long written post on this thread is one I like or love, but one thing I want to stress on due to its tactical importance and the fact that it will aid all of us sooner rather than later is being able to go onto a map for Corporation practices/trainings.


I cannot stress just how useful it is on any other tactical FPS to do this and with the number of maps for Dust it will be crucial for me to get on the ground with my men and say
"Alright listen up, Enemies going to be coming in from the north, they'll need to defend these strong points and we'll have to defend from these points on the opposite end. Primary attacking zones will be open and without cover however there is the mountain pass that we'll need a squad up on to ensure they don't flank us or gain that position for over watch. Due to the middle of the map having little to no cover we'll hold back at our defensive positions and wait for the enemy to make the mistake of rushing into the open since they don't know this map then we'll ambush them using our gunships when they have no where to hide, remember we know what we're fighting for and they don't, use it to your advantage and good luck."

I used to command for a clan on Socom Confrontation and I tried to teach all of my guys where the important locations were and where possible flanking points were, but the problem was that EVERYONE knew every map, every flanking area, every possible piece of cover and every open area. This is one reason why I'm so excited about Dust is due to the massive number of maps they want to employ, it means that I can learn maps before my enemy knows them and thus I can use that to my advantage over them.