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Vesta Ren
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.09.16 22:22:00 -
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Dusties should have the ability to deploy to districts they own. This would let them either practice against corp mates (perhaps a personal option for friendly fire on/off would make sense here) and figure out what the map is actually like. It doesn't make sense to be able to deploy to just anyone's piece of land, but also doesn't make sense to go to defend your district and say "great, now which way is the enemy" |
Phantomnom
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
505
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Posted - 2012.09.16 22:26:00 -
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How could an open world FPS even be fun? |
crazy space
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2012.09.16 22:27:00 -
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well there will be PvE and they said they would let us place buildings whwere we want. So as long as you don't mind a free roam around your battlefield with nothing to shoot, yeah there might be freeroam. But there won't be NPCs to shoot you'll just get to place buildings and get used to the battle field. To move over to the next battlefield you would just fly right over, but if it's owned by another player I have no idea how that will work with time zones and such |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1903
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Posted - 2012.09.16 22:49:00 -
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Vesta Ren wrote:Dusties should have the ability to deploy to districts they own. This would let them either practice against corp mates (perhaps a personal option for friendly fire on/off would make sense here) and figure out what the map is actually like. It doesn't make sense to be able to deploy to just anyone's piece of land, but also doesn't make sense to go to defend your district and say "great, now which way is the enemy" This is more important than most people probably realize, ESPECIALLY depending on if / how we can place buildings and defensive structures. Finding strong locations for strongholds or important resources will be an artform, and running defensive drills will go a long way towards fending off enemy invaders. |
GAGAH-BOY BRAZIL
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Posted - 2012.09.16 22:52:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:It's a good question, Gagah-Boy Brasil.
I think it's fair to say that there are many DUST players who would love some form of free roaming, and also Dust players who couldn't give 2 kittens about it, and in fact would hate if it was forced on them.
It's also prolly fair to say that the same divisions of taste exist within CCP's DUST design team.
Because this is CCP we're dealing with, if the player base expresses a stong enough interest over a long enough time frame, we prolly will get some form of open-world free roam game mode.
The game modes we know about already are:
1) Instanced matches in Planetary districts. CCP has stated and tested that the DUST code scales well, and there is little doubt that we will eventually see 100 vs. 100 battles. That is MMO in my books.
2) Instanced PVE sites where we do the zombie-drone suicide mission thingie. Later there will prolly be other PVE modes. CCP is going to be very cautious with this because of their experiences with the EVE playerbase - it's too easy to suck the life out of the PVP part of the game if you make the PVE too attractive. On the other hand, if CCP can pull it off, it's an incredible opportunity for world-building and immersive education in the New Eden backstory, and also a potentially important game mechanic.
3) Planetary Interaction a la EVE, which will be a graphical overlay on a planet's map and will allow mercs to basically set up extractor, transport systems, refineries and launch pads to get product off-planet. This will most likely be done from the Merc Quarters, and is basically just interaction with a couple of control screens.
4) The warbarge and stations in EVE. Eventually we will have free roam of these environments, the warbarge sooner and stations later. The stations will almost certainly be confined to one deck, or more likely part of one deck, the 'customs, commerce, and recreation' area. There will be customizable player-owned rooms in these areas.
If we want free-roam, the question is what form do we want it to take? It seems impractical to ask for an entire planetary surface to be generated, but to be honest I'm not sure if there is really any game-stopping technical problem with that. At any rate, such a request right now would be unreasonabe, i think.
I'd like to see in the medium-term something that would involve free-roam resource or archeological prospecting in a lonely, remote environment, but one where other players(allied, neutral or enemy), could prospect also. This is the free-roam open world part. A prospector or archeologist would employ their skills and special suit modules as well as deployable equipment & drones to locate dig sites. Imagine the logistics of choosing a loadout for your prospecting LAV or dropship, as well as packing sensor, defensive and offensive installations/drones into a limited volume/weight cargohold. Do you devote half your cargo allowance to a remote CRU unit or go in tough as nails with a single clone? Stealth scout suit with basic scanning modules or tricked out Logi-Prospector suit with god-like information gathering powers?
These sites would be instanced, not free-roam, and PVE or PVP, depending on whether another prospector/team located the same dig site and entered the dig while you were in it.
Hilarity and pants-crapping tension ensues.
or something like that.
Perfect this post.
I want to see how all this can work in DUST 514.
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DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1903
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Posted - 2012.09.16 22:52:00 -
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Phantomnom wrote:How could an open world FPS even be fun?
Matchmaking.
You could play the game for years and never ONCE step foot on the ground outside of combat. Or, it could be the other way around. You could play for years and not fire a single bullet. So long as neither option is FORCED on anyone, everyone can just play how they like. |
Kane Fyea
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
65
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Posted - 2012.09.16 22:54:00 -
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Makledon wrote:Sven Lindblad wrote:EVE is essentially instanced between the solar systems, using the gates to go in-between . What are you expecting them to do, render every planet? I wouldn't mind it, but it could be a hard feat. nowhere in my statment did i say i want them to render every planet i simply stated that free roam would be an amazing feature t o have an curious if it is going to be included. The type of open world gameplay I think they are implementing is huge maps. All the maps that are in the beta are considered very small maps. Also all planets are going to be unique. |
Kane Fyea
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
65
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Posted - 2012.09.16 22:54:00 -
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Phantomnom wrote:How could an open world FPS even be fun? Have you never played Borderlands? |
Phantomnom
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
505
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Posted - 2012.09.16 22:55:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Phantomnom wrote:How could an open world FPS even be fun? Matchmaking. You could play the game for years and never ONCE step foot on the ground outside of combat. Or, it could be the other way around. You could play for years and not fire a single bullet. So long as neither option is FORCED on anyone, everyone can just play how they like.
....It's an online-only First Person Shooter. If you want to wander the desert for fourty years you're at the wrong game. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1903
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Posted - 2012.09.16 23:01:00 -
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Phantomnom wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Phantomnom wrote:How could an open world FPS even be fun? Matchmaking. You could play the game for years and never ONCE step foot on the ground outside of combat. Or, it could be the other way around. You could play for years and not fire a single bullet. So long as neither option is FORCED on anyone, everyone can just play how they like. ....It's an online-only First Person Shooter. If you want to wander the desert for fourty years you're at the wrong game.
Who are you to tell me how to play the game? I take it you don't like mining in EVE. If they litter the planets with loot, enemies, resources, etc, exploring will be a profession in its own right. This game has such incredible potential to appeal to a wide variety of gamers, and provide a lot of options for everything that you do. |
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wathak 514
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
106
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Posted - 2012.09.16 23:02:00 -
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This game will constantly be evolving right along with eve
As many have a hard time acepting there wont be sequels predecessors or decendents of this game there will only be dust514 that the plan.
When the ps4 comes out dust will literally have stretched the ps3 capacity completly and wouldnt have goten an updat for a couple years in fear of burning out everyones ps3 then sony ceo will reveal the ps4 throw it on market and call ccp ceo say alright crash the ps3 which then theyll update the game for the first time in years and because f that noone with a ps3 can play dust 514 because it dont have the capacity.
At somepoint well probally be playing on the entire planet with couple 1000 player teams i could literally fly my dropship for miles and miles going around the world. Not 1 battle be going but many battles each for a dffrent planet tary infanstructure and ceos and commanders will be sitting up in warbarges high in space or over a friendly structer just pointing everyone to primary targets. and up in space 1000s of eveplayers fight to keep the otherside from bombarding there soldeirs or destroying warbarges.
I also see battles without timers the corps be at it for days till 1 the entire planet is under 1 sides control and the other has no more assets or till the contract runs out and the contracter needs to pay more or well they lost. Theres also the senario were 1 side has no reason to fight anymore and treaties get drawn
As for the social asspect well have warbarges for dust players and stations for both eve and dust. I also picture a point were eve and dust players travel to the planets cities and towns built by players owned by players and no longer the market system of today i in effect instead were trading with players that spend there time owning shops and businesses on individual planets.
I picture a day where ccp no longer has 2 individual games but have made a cyberworld that evolves with technology and possibley leads most of th asspect of the realworld |
Phantomnom
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
505
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Posted - 2012.09.16 23:06:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Phantomnom wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Phantomnom wrote:How could an open world FPS even be fun? Matchmaking. You could play the game for years and never ONCE step foot on the ground outside of combat. Or, it could be the other way around. You could play for years and not fire a single bullet. So long as neither option is FORCED on anyone, everyone can just play how they like. ....It's an online-only First Person Shooter. If you want to wander the desert for fourty years you're at the wrong game. Who are you to tell me how to play the game?
I'm not? CCP is?
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wathak 514
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
106
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Posted - 2012.09.16 23:27:00 -
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Phantomnom wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Phantomnom wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Phantomnom wrote:How could an open world FPS even be fun? Matchmaking. You could play the game for years and never ONCE step foot on the ground outside of combat. Or, it could be the other way around. You could play for years and not fire a single bullet. So long as neither option is FORCED on anyone, everyone can just play how they like. ....It's an online-only First Person Shooter. If you want to wander the desert for fourty years you're at the wrong game. Who are you to tell me how to play the game? I'm not? CCP is?
I dont do this often infact befor this post ihave argued against dust fiend on everything but i have to say he is right and ccp has hinted at a slowly imerging free roam world after all they have hinted at and confirmed working on industrial aspects like mining and such aswell as exploration style stuff. |
Phantomnom
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
505
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Posted - 2012.09.16 23:37:00 -
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wathak 514 wrote: free roam world after all they have hinted at and confirmed working on industrial aspects like mining and such aswell as exploration style stuff.
I know, but those don't necessarily translate into us getting free roam, and would infact be the worst way to do it. No strategy, business or economics simulation going makes you roam around to do all that, and it makes even less sense in a first person shooter where your whole point of being is at a specific location attacking/defending something.
Free Roam would be awful for this game. |
wathak 514
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
106
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Posted - 2012.09.16 23:44:00 -
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wathak 514 wrote:This game will constantly be evolving right along with eve
As many have a hard time acepting there wont be sequels predecessors or decendents of this game there will only be dust514 that the plan.
When the ps4 comes out dust will literally have stretched the ps3 capacity completly and wouldnt have goten an updat for a couple years in fear of burning out everyones ps3 then sony ceo will reveal the ps4 throw it on market and call ccp ceo say alright crash the ps3 which then theyll update the game for the first time in years and because f that noone with a ps3 can play dust 514 because it dont have the capacity.
At somepoint well probally be playing on the entire planet with couple 1000 player teams i could literally fly my dropship for miles and miles going around the world. Not 1 battle be going but many battles each for a dffrent planet tary infanstructure and ceos and commanders will be sitting up in warbarges high in space or over a friendly structer just pointing everyone to primary targets. and up in space 1000s of eveplayers fight to keep the otherside from bombarding there soldeirs or destroying warbarges.
I also see battles without timers the corps be at it for days till 1 the entire planet is under 1 sides control and the other has no more assets or till the contract runs out and the contracter needs to pay more or well they lost. Theres also the senario were 1 side has no reason to fight anymore and treaties get drawn
As for the social asspect well have warbarges for dust players and stations for both eve and dust. I also picture a point were eve and dust players travel to the planets cities and towns built by players owned by players and no longer the market system of today i in effect instead were trading with players that spend there time owning shops and businesses on individual planets.
I picture a day where ccp no longer has 2 individual games but have made a cyberworld that evolves with technology and possibley leads most of th asspect of the realworld Thats all i see happening to this game which in essence will make it become free roam in itself |
WT Sherman
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
63
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Posted - 2012.09.17 00:58:00 -
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I'm surprised that no EVE players have explained just what a free roam is. You do free roams through low sec or 00 and basically you shoot anything that isn't blue. My last player corp was a wormhole corp and we generally had no blues so we shot everyone!
You will be able to tell from the barge or stations which planets have conflicts on them or that are occupied by a force or claimed by a group. I can totally see where it might be possible to just decide to take over a district just because you want to, destroy all the installations and leave. Goons are probably already planning on who they will grief first and how much they will charge to stop.
Lets say my DUST corp has a beef with STB, it might be possible to put out a contract in low sec where each corp puts up 100 mill for a fight and winner takes all and control of the district. Supposedly the contracts are going to be free form within reason so it could happen.
As far as the size of the maps are concerned, I don't know if most of you have noticed, but some of the maps we have been playing are much much larger than the area that we use and I'm not talking about red zone, I mean area you can already roam around in with roads and buildings, just none of the player dropped installations. |
Octavian Vetiver
Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance
152
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Posted - 2012.09.17 02:33:00 -
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Phantomnom wrote:wathak 514 wrote: free roam world after all they have hinted at and confirmed working on industrial aspects like mining and such aswell as exploration style stuff. I know, but those don't necessarily translate into us getting free roam, and would infact be the worst way to do it. No strategy, business or economics simulation going makes you roam around to do all that, and it makes even less sense in a first person shooter where your whole point of being is at a specific location attacking/defending something.
Free Roam would be awful for this game.
Actually it'd make it more interesting. You know how many people would jump at the chance just to go and explore planets just for the hell of it. Even if it's in a game. Let me ask you this. How many games involve even being able to actually go on a planet? A full sized one. Not some skimpy little SOE version like they had in SWG that was like 25km by 25km and represented the whole surface. But full several thousands of km's of terrain to run through? The only games I've seen that had that capability were the games from 3000AD. Infinity:Quest for Earth was working on that same thing. Except they were doing the whole space and ground thing as one game. |
Templar Two
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
459
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Posted - 2012.09.17 06:45:00 -
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Quote:Open Beta is this December
Source? |
Jotun Hiem
24
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Posted - 2012.09.17 07:15:00 -
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wathak 514 wrote:This game will constantly be evolving right along with eve
As many have a hard time acepting there wont be sequels predecessors or decendents of this game there will only be dust514 that the plan.
When the ps4 comes out dust will literally have stretched the ps3 capacity completly and wouldnt have goten an updat for a couple years in fear of burning out everyones ps3 then sony ceo will reveal the ps4 throw it on market and call ccp ceo say alright crash the ps3 which then theyll update the game for the first time in years and because f that noone with a ps3 can play dust 514 because it dont have the capacity.
At somepoint well probally be playing on the entire planet with couple 1000 player teams i could literally fly my dropship for miles and miles going around the world. Not 1 battle be going but many battles each for a dffrent planet tary infanstructure and ceos and commanders will be sitting up in warbarges high in space or over a friendly structer just pointing everyone to primary targets. and up in space 1000s of eveplayers fight to keep the otherside from bombarding there soldeirs or destroying warbarges.
I also see battles without timers the corps be at it for days till 1 the entire planet is under 1 sides control and the other has no more assets or till the contract runs out and the contracter needs to pay more or well they lost. Theres also the senario were 1 side has no reason to fight anymore and treaties get drawn
As for the social asspect well have warbarges for dust players and stations for both eve and dust. I also picture a point were eve and dust players travel to the planets cities and towns built by players owned by players and no longer the market system of today i in effect instead were trading with players that spend there time owning shops and businesses on individual planets.
I picture a day where ccp no longer has 2 individual games but have made a cyberworld that evolves with technology and possibley leads most of th asspect of the realworld You're off in your own little world here, but damn me if I don't want to be part of it.
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Jotun Hiem
24
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Posted - 2012.09.17 07:19:00 -
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Phantomnom wrote:I know, but those don't necessarily translate into us getting free roam, and would infact be the worst way to do it. No strategy, business or economics simulation going makes you roam around to do all that, and it makes even less sense in a first person shooter where your whole point of being is at a specific location attacking/defending something.
Free Roam would be awful for this game. Do you have any idea how irritating it is when you constantly bold everything? |
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Telemachus AREMNi
11
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Posted - 2012.09.17 10:12:00 -
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Well, I think I can safely say that every well thought out long written post on this thread is one I like or love, but one thing I want to stress on due to its tactical importance and the fact that it will aid all of us sooner rather than later is being able to go onto a map for Corporation practices/trainings.
I cannot stress just how useful it is on any other tactical FPS to do this and with the number of maps for Dust it will be crucial for me to get on the ground with my men and say "Alright listen up, Enemies going to be coming in from the north, they'll need to defend these strong points and we'll have to defend from these points on the opposite end. Primary attacking zones will be open and without cover however there is the mountain pass that we'll need a squad up on to ensure they don't flank us or gain that position for over watch. Due to the middle of the map having little to no cover we'll hold back at our defensive positions and wait for the enemy to make the mistake of rushing into the open since they don't know this map then we'll ambush them using our gunships when they have no where to hide, remember we know what we're fighting for and they don't, use it to your advantage and good luck."
I used to command for a clan on Socom Confrontation and I tried to teach all of my guys where the important locations were and where possible flanking points were, but the problem was that EVERYONE knew every map, every flanking area, every possible piece of cover and every open area. This is one reason why I'm so excited about Dust is due to the massive number of maps they want to employ, it means that I can learn maps before my enemy knows them and thus I can use that to my advantage over them.
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xxBIG DIRTYxx
19
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Posted - 2012.09.17 10:34:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:Kyy Seiska wrote:Some relevant stuff for this thread: How dynamic battlefields take shape in dust 514Quote: And these planets will be divided into separate districts GÇô large territories that contain resources and infrastructures where players can extract materials or to defend it from enemies. When players deploy to fight for control of these districts they will notice that only one thing is staticGǪ the landscape. The hills, valleys, rivers and coasts of a district are unchanging from one deployment to the next. However, the placement of and the types of surface structures available will vary based on decisions made about what is needed for that district on a corporate level. And this will be covered in more detail in a later blog focused on Surface Infrastructure.
Dust 514: Seeding the universe If they can realize half of what they envision DUST will be awesome & unlike anything else out there. If they are successful DUST514 can be a cornerstone of Sony's PS3 and PS4 marketing. XBOX live sure as heck doesn't offer anything like this. Agreed. |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
437
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Posted - 2012.09.17 11:30:00 -
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What most people here don't seem to realize is that in EVE battles are also instanced, e.g. they happen on a grid, difference is it is accessible to everyone that can jump/warp to it.
Same with DUST, only one battle will be possible in each part of the map, only thing is that there's limits to how many and who can join each battle. |
Phantomnom
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
505
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Posted - 2012.09.17 11:38:00 -
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Jotun Hiem wrote:Phantomnom wrote:I know, but those don't necessarily translate into us getting free roam, and would infact be the worst way to do it. No strategy, business or economics simulation going makes you roam around to do all that, and it makes even less sense in a first person shooter where your whole point of being is at a specific location attacking/defending something.
Free Roam would be awful for this game. Do you have any idea how irritating it is when you constantly bold everything?
Do you have any idea how little I care? |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.09.17 11:39:00 -
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Templar Two wrote:Quote:Open Beta is this December Source? PAX Prime interview. Look it up on GT or something. |
Phantomnom
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
505
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Posted - 2012.09.17 11:39:00 -
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Octavian Vetiver wrote:Phantomnom wrote:wathak 514 wrote: free roam world after all they have hinted at and confirmed working on industrial aspects like mining and such aswell as exploration style stuff. I know, but those don't necessarily translate into us getting free roam, and would infact be the worst way to do it. No strategy, business or economics simulation going makes you roam around to do all that, and it makes even less sense in a first person shooter where your whole point of being is at a specific location attacking/defending something.
Free Roam would be awful for this game. Actually it'd make it more interesting. You know how many people would jump at the chance just to go and explore planets just for the hell of it. Even if it's in a game. Let me ask you this. How many games involve even being able to actually go on a planet? A full sized one. Not some skimpy little SOE version like they had in SWG that was like 25km by 25km and represented the whole surface. But full several thousands of km's of terrain to run through? The only games I've seen that had that capability were the games from 3000AD. Infinity:Quest for Earth was working on that same thing. Except they were doing the whole space and ground thing as one game.
The whole point of being a merc on Dust is to be employed to accomplish a certain objective in a certain area. Free roaming is a ******* awful idea and would destroy this game. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.09.17 11:57:00 -
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Phantomnom wrote:Octavian Vetiver wrote:Phantomnom wrote:wathak 514 wrote: free roam world after all they have hinted at and confirmed working on industrial aspects like mining and such aswell as exploration style stuff. I know, but those don't necessarily translate into us getting free roam, and would infact be the worst way to do it. No strategy, business or economics simulation going makes you roam around to do all that, and it makes even less sense in a first person shooter where your whole point of being is at a specific location attacking/defending something.
Free Roam would be awful for this game. Actually it'd make it more interesting. You know how many people would jump at the chance just to go and explore planets just for the hell of it. Even if it's in a game. Let me ask you this. How many games involve even being able to actually go on a planet? A full sized one. Not some skimpy little SOE version like they had in SWG that was like 25km by 25km and represented the whole surface. But full several thousands of km's of terrain to run through? The only games I've seen that had that capability were the games from 3000AD. Infinity:Quest for Earth was working on that same thing. Except they were doing the whole space and ground thing as one game. The whole point of being a merc on Dust is to be employed to accomplish a certain objective in a certain area. Free roaming is a ******* awful idea and would destroy this game. We're talking about the idea of being able to openly walk around areas you own, like districts you hold in Faction Warfare or planets you own in null-sec. |
Phantomnom
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
505
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Posted - 2012.09.17 12:07:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:[ We're talking about the idea of being able to openly walk around areas you own, like districts you hold in Faction Warfare or planets you own in null-sec.
Walking around your Hab-room and the war room is grating and clunky enough as it is, why you would ever want a free-roam aspect of that i'll never understand. |
Uber Dragonlord Valkarish
29
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Posted - 2012.09.17 13:20:00 -
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As awesome as all of this is, and it is insanely epiAWESOME, I feel there will be a need for destructible buildings, vegetation, etc.. This makes me think back to the Mercenaries games that, while semi-entertaining for a bit before sucking all the way to the credits, did destruction beautifully. Do you think we will see grand explosions and massive building collapses? Maybe do like in Merc's 2 and let you use rubble as cover from enemy fire? I know there is no way that can happen before ps4 with so much already going on at once, but pleeeeeease tell me it will happen some day! I NEEED DESTRUCTION!!!! |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.09.17 13:24:00 -
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Phantomnom wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:[ We're talking about the idea of being able to openly walk around areas you own, like districts you hold in Faction Warfare or planets you own in null-sec. Walking around your Hab-room and the war room is grating and clunky enough as it is, why you would ever want a free-roam aspect of that i'll never understand. Ah, you're one of those people that would hate Planetside 2 because it just gives you a 10k wide continent and lets you have at it. Open-world games are the future, my friend. High-sec matchmade NPC contracts will always be there for you. |
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