Pretty much, swarms path still wonky. Straight into objects sometimes, and other times they stop on a dime, do 180's and hit their target. The last one is usually when a skilled dropship pilot (Sin3) dodges them.

Aaand back to the "skill" bullshit. Look, can we just not talk about skill anymore? Everyone seems to gloss right over the fact that EVERYONE defines it differently.

lets not reduce this thread to a gripe-fest about "skill" and "noob weapons".

1 guy with 4 volleys yea, go try it for yourself.

C'mon bruv, seriously, get a grip of yourself, who's QQing and whining now.

Nope, not exaggerating, and certainly not any more exaggerated than "wha wha tanks are unstoppable". Try it yourself. Tanks can't run anymore, and the railgun is useless against anything other than a stationary vehicle or a turret installation. Tried to kill a forge gunner who was standing still, put the **** right at his feet but it didnt so squat.

LMFAO

I haven't seen Bad Furry post in FOREVER

Nerf tanks, bam, whining thread front and center

BWUAHHAHAHAHA

JUSTICE!!!

You know...that is the idea...Tanks are not solopwnmobiles designed to squash hordes of infantry. You are supposed to kill the big guns (other tanks, turrets), while your support (infantry on foot, not passengers with small turrets) keep the heavies at bay.

Thats generally what I do, however, my infantry can now no longer engage swarmers and forgegunners due to their massive range, with one possible exception. Even if a swarmer got at close range that my infantry could kill him, he can just dumbfire spam rockets into the tank, because they do not require a lock to fire.

Mobius Wyvern:
"Yes, if you get a group of people working together to kill one of those things, it should go down. But that's what it should require, not a single guy with a proto swarm blowing them up on his lonesome and saying everything is balanced."

Thats what I'm saying. This morning I lost a well fitted, well tanked gunnlogi to one militia swarm. Can't get close enough to him to use blasters effectively, so running is the only option, which doesnt work on more open maps where your only cover from terrain is the rock spires.

If someone gets that close to you, they should be rewarded by being able to do more DPS. Thats like complaining shotguns do too much damage if they get close.

Well, people can spawn anywhere currently. Spawning should be restricted to bases and clone units. The problem is more prevalent in ambush matches, and it allows tankers and dropship gunners to own objectives by constantly shelling them because.

Also, previously I could pop them with a well placed tank round to prevent them getting that close. Not anymore I feel.

I can't wait to get back into the game, now. This is going to be epic!

Also, everybody needs to chill out. CCP is new to balancing FPS games, and Dust would be challenging to balance for anyone with the skill and market complexity.

Tanks appear to be getting a nerf in response to the AV nerf, which was in response to how overpowered AV was against non Tank vehicles. We're all getting wiped still, so none of this actually matters outside of the devs trying to figure out how to keep the game from being a tank fest without the AV weapons doing so much damage that they render all LAVs and dropships pointless.

Keep calm and carry on. By the end of this beta we will likely all have something we love nerfed to oblivion. If they have to do stuff like this now so that they don't have to do so once we stop getting wiped, so be it.

This goes back to a point I've made several times that tanks have no place on the battlefield currently other than to ruin gunfights. If they can't go around and squash infantry with impunity then they're considered useless.

They have no real purpose as of yet gameplay or strategy wise that can't be achieved with infantry. Maybe once installations become a part of battle strategy the different tank types will come into their own a bit as well.

Simply enhancing infantry and boosting team WP gain potential may be their place after all, though. I suggest they be given a permanent WP bonus bubble for a certain radius, similar to what you get with a defense order, that extends to the whole platoon, not just the squad of the tank. to encourage a sort of synergy between infantry and tank.

That is not a bad idea. As long as it is minor compared to actual squad bonuses.

+1
KCCO

+1 the KCCO, Chive on brother

You can still pop them off, it just requires more skill because it has to be a direct hit. Even so, no tank should be safe without 2 support gunners WITH active communication. Since the pilot has the widest field of vision, they need to be calling out infantry targets to their support gunners since the support gunners are really the best equipped to deal with nearby infantry threats. The main turret isn't helpless...but it should be difficult to use, especially if you go with a railgun.

For ambush, random spawning is really necessary lest people spend 80% of the match running to the battle...that's not going to fly. As for Skirmish, I just consider objectives as indestructible CRUs, I don't think people spawning at a location they captured is unreasonable.

As for your range concerns, in EVE, missiles and railguns have the longest ranges in the game, and since swarms are missiles and forge guns are basically railguns...this seems reasonable. The fact that railgun range got reduced is kinda stupid in that regard, but it does make the sharpshooter skill actually useful so I don't mind that so much.

The key is that some maps are simply not going to be good for tanks, and that's exactly how it should be. Plateaus for example is a HAV's wet dream, whereas Communications can be a nightmare if a dropship shows up. I mean this goes for any weapon, not just vehicles. I run a shotgun and SMG, and the Spire map is HORRIBLE for me since I need to run towards a firing squad of snipers across an open field...thats just the nature of the game. No weapon, vehicle, role, or class should be effective in all situations, because if it is then everyone will spec into that all the time and it kills the diversity of the game. Unfortunatly with this build, because AV got hit so hard, it made HAVs pretty damn effective in almost any situation (Trust me, when I drive one its MUCH easier this build because AV weapons are so horrible) and as a result so many people specced into them...that's not good.

You can still pop them off, it just requires more skill because it has to be a direct hit. Even so, no tank should be safe without 2 support gunners WITH active communication. Since the pilot has the widest field of vision, they need to be calling out infantry targets to their support gunners since the support gunners are really the best equipped to deal with nearby infantry threats. The main turret isn't helpless...but it should be difficult to use, especially if you go with a railgun.

For ambush, random spawning is really necessary lest people spend 80% of the match running to the battle...that's not going to fly. As for Skirmish, I just consider objectives as indestructible CRUs, I don't think people spawning at a location they captured is unreasonable.

As for your range concerns, in EVE, missiles and railguns have the longest ranges in the game, and since swarms are missiles and forge guns are basically railguns...this seems reasonable. The fact that railgun range got reduced is kinda stupid in that regard, but it does make the sharpshooter skill actually useful so I don't mind that so much.

The key is that some maps are simply not going to be good for tanks, and that's exactly how it should be. Plateaus for example is a HAV's wet dream, whereas Communications can be a nightmare if a dropship shows up. I mean this goes for any weapon, not just vehicles. I run a shotgun and SMG, and the Spire map is HORRIBLE for me since I need to run towards a firing squad of snipers across an open field...thats just the nature of the game. No weapon, vehicle, role, or class should be effective in all situations, because if it is then everyone will spec into that all the time and it kills the diversity of the game. Unfortunatly with this build, because AV got hit so hard, it made HAVs pretty damn effective in almost any situation (Trust me, when I drive one its MUCH easier this build because AV weapons are so horrible) and as a result so many people specced into them...that's not good.

Well put on this bro. THIS is what I am talking about.

Ultra Heavy Suits needed a nerf and you're exaggerating on the swarm launches and its the turret that got slowed down not the tank body.

Also if you ever played AV you'd understand that 100% of our available tools has bugs that prevent them from fully working. This damage buff is probably temporary until they fix the bugs.

Nope, its maxed out with currently available gear. Ward amps went from 25% to 15%. Effectly removed almost 1/3rd of the tank's EHP.