Nope, not exaggerating, and certainly not any more exaggerated than "wha wha tanks are unstoppable". Try it yourself. Tanks can't run anymore, and the railgun is useless against anything other than a stationary vehicle or a turret installation. Tried to kill a forge gunner who was standing still, put the **** right at his feet but it didnt so squat.

HAV's are now useless expensive deathtraps that can take max 3-4 hits from a milita swarm launcher before going down. Also 0 chance of getting away as they turn slower than dogturds in molasses.

Once again CCP ruins gameplay because LAZY people can't be bothered to learn how to counter/defend themselves.

Can't get away from them now.

HAV's are now useless expensive deathtraps that can take max 3-4 hits from a milita swarm launcher before going down. Also 0 chance of getting away as they turn slower than dogturds in molassas.

Once again CCP ruins gameplay because LAZY people can't be bothered to learn how to counter/defend themselves.

Nope, not exaggerating, and certainly not any more exaggerated than "wha wha tanks are unstoppable". Try it yourself. Tanks can't run anymore, and the railgun is useless against anything other than a stationary vehicle or a turret installation. Tried to kill a forge gunner who was standing still, put the **** right at his feet but it didnt so squat.

Admittedly, the HAVs in the E3 build were a bit overpowered against infantry, but part of that was due to an inability to coordinate since you never even knew who you'd be playing with. Also, the AV grenades were a joke, and the REs were far more effective against infantry than vehicles.

See, what you're really seeing here is that they seem overpowered in comparison to the performance of the tools used to kill them. I don't think we'll see an end to this debate until they have a hard counter. A vehicle one, not an infantry weapon. If anything, I would support a return to the full capability of AV weapons at the beginning of this build, the Forge Gun being returned to its old range, and the implementation of a Gunship vehicle, as that's what such helicopters are used for in real life. With those in place, you could return HAVs to their E3 build effectiveness (though I still support separate driver and gunner positions) and they would no longer feel like unstoppable juggernauts while still remaining effective assets. Heck, since they're HAVs and not just tanks, allow them to carry guided SAM launchers and flak cannons as turret options to provide a hard counter against heavier air targets.

To test the splash damage?

Mobius Wyvern:
"Yes, if you get a group of people working together to kill one of those things, it should go down. But that's what it should require, not a single guy with a proto swarm blowing them up on his lonesome and saying everything is balanced."

Thats what I'm saying. This morning I lost a well fitted, well tanked gunnlogi to one militia swarm. Can't get close enough to him to use blasters effectively, so running is the only option, which doesnt work on more open maps where your only cover from terrain is the rock spires.

go back to CoD please.

1 guy with 4 volleys yea, go try it for yourself.

Nope, not exaggerating, and certainly not any more exaggerated than "wha wha tanks are unstoppable". Try it yourself. Tanks can't run anymore, and the railgun is useless against anything other than a stationary vehicle or a turret installation. Tried to kill a forge gunner who was standing still, put the **** right at his feet but it didnt so squat.

Thats generally what I do, however, my infantry can now no longer engage swarmers and forgegunners due to their massive range, with one possible exception. Even if a swarmer got at close range that my infantry could kill him, he can just dumbfire spam rockets into the tank, because they do not require a lock to fire.