If you could get it at his feet while he was stationary, why didn't you just put it right through his chest? That's what I always used to do. Don't rely on the splash damage..

If you could get it at his feet while he was stationary, why didn't you just put it right through his chest? That's what I always used to do. Don't rely on the splash damage.

Also, the slowness of the turret wouldn't even matter if HAVs had separate driver and gunner positions. I don't understand why HAV users are so opposed to this when it would increase the effectiveness of their vehicles while simultaneously countering the whining of all the infantry players about how they're one-man force-multipliers. And yes, I used HAVs almost exclusively in the E3 build because I wanted to try something new, having spent the previous build in Dropships. So I'm not one of the whiners trying to find further ways to nerf something that's been nerfed enough already.
As someone who used to use HAVs, I would actually love to just drive the thing, and have another member of my squad run the gun. That's what headsets are for.

Admittedly, the HAVs in the E3 build were a bit overpowered against infantry, but part of that was due to an inability to coordinate since you never even knew who you'd be playing with. Also, the AV grenades were a joke, and the REs were far more effective against infantry than vehicles.

See, what you're really seeing here is that they seem overpowered in comparison to the performance of the tools used to kill them. I don't think we'll see an end to this debate until they have a hard counter. A vehicle one, not an infantry weapon. If anything, I would support a return to the full capability of AV weapons at the beginning of this build, the Forge Gun being returned to its old range, and the implementation of a Gunship vehicle, as that's what such helicopters are used for in real life. With those in place, you could return HAVs to their E3 build effectiveness (though I still support separate driver and gunner positions) and they would no longer feel like unstoppable juggernauts while still remaining effective assets. Heck, since they're HAVs and not just tanks, allow them to carry guided SAM launchers and flak cannons as turret options to provide a hard counter against heavier air targets.

Oh by no means do I think the E3 build was perfect in terms of vehicles and AV, but you have to agree things felt more balanced than they are now. With the addition of pilot suits and passive skill bonuses, I think a nerf to vehicles was in order since those additions would ultimately buff them back up.

Even so my point being that HAVs need to be strong since they are after all tanks, however with some teamwork a team with moderate AV should be able to make that HAV run for its life. A well coordinated group with good AV weapons should be able to outright kill it. I think we were far closer to that dynamic in the last build than we are now.

go back to CoD please.