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Run you OVER
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Posted - 2012.09.02 18:11:00 -
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Kengfa wrote:Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:Hey scrub muffin, once hit detection is fixed, strafe speed will need to be raised. LOL, no it won't. Strafing speed is absolutely terrible. They should slow it down or add a 40% chance that you'll fall over and temporarily not be able to shoot.
Hahaha I like that. Watching someone dodging left and right, "dancing" while shooting at you is as dumb as these fucks in here saying they are good. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1903
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Posted - 2012.09.02 18:34:00 -
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Run you OVER wrote:Kengfa wrote:Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:Hey scrub muffin, once hit detection is fixed, strafe speed will need to be raised. LOL, no it won't. Strafing speed is absolutely terrible. They should slow it down or add a 40% chance that you'll fall over and temporarily not be able to shoot. Hahaha I like that. Watching someone dodging left and right, "dancing" while shooting at you is as dumb as these fucks in here saying they are good.
CoD is thata way bro ----->
L2P
(When hit detection is working, and some days it is, strafing only screws up people who can't aim. Now we're just looking for more consistent hit detection. Bad players should be punished for being bad) |
Syeleos
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.02 18:50:00 -
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Seems to me you got killed by us Scout shotgunners a bit too many times, mate. We're fragile, we die easily. Get good & kill us good. |
mcbob mcbob
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Posted - 2012.09.02 19:13:00 -
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Syeleos wrote:Seems to me you got killed by us Scout shotgunners a bit too many times, mate. We're fragile, we die easily. Get good & kill us good.
Also, if the scouts do what I sometimes do and sit inside a building, don't be an idiot and try to out CQC them- throw a grenade. I racked up a ton of kills until someone figured that out. |
Chao Wolf
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
209
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Posted - 2012.09.02 19:15:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Hey guys, scouts should use their speed to their advantage.
Um, can we nerf scout speed, they seem to be using it to their advantage.
Kthxby.
why not heavies had their armor nerfed |
Shiro Mokuzan
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Posted - 2012.09.02 19:17:00 -
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I think that sideways and backwards movement should be slower than forward movement. This is just common sense. |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2012.09.02 19:19:00 -
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mikegunnz wrote:Actually, sounds like you suck. In the few times I put on a scout suit, I can go toe -to-toe with anybody. You just have to stay on the move. In CQC, with a shotty, I can go heads up against 2-3 ppl.
You can go against 2 - 3 people because scout suits are especially broken in terms of hit detection, and all the shots that should have killed you don't get registered. You aren't "good" because you take advantage of obviously broken game mechanics.
Shiro Mokuzan wrote:I think that sideways and backwards movement should be slower than forward movement. This is just common sense.
Yeah. At the end of the day I would rather the key to fighting be something other than rapidly moving side to side. It's kind of stupid.
And I've never played CoD. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1903
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Posted - 2012.09.02 19:57:00 -
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Chao Wolf wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Hey guys, scouts should use their speed to their advantage.
Um, can we nerf scout speed, they seem to be using it to their advantage.
Kthxby.
why not heavies had their armor nerfed
That was a stupid change, every suit had their armor and shields nerfed, every suit above T1 anyways. Here's hoping that change is only temporary |
Dr Skurlock
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
57
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Posted - 2012.09.02 20:54:00 -
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Yet again people aren't taking into account the fact that you can level up your skills to your advantage. Yes, it's true. Level up your dropsuit skill to 5 and that's another 25% reduction in signature radius which makes you harder to hit. OMG! people are actually doing that and runnin around in scout suits shootin people?! The audacity of those players to take advantage of a skill anyone can use for their own selfish benefit. Somethings got to change. I know, if a toon primarily runs around in a scout suit, let's take the dropsuit upgrade skill away from them. And while we are at it, tanks are still OP, I can't seem to kill a TANK solo with less than 3 hits. Oh, oh and these guys with their max level assault rifle skills are killin me too often from a distance when I am using my shotgun, please nerf them too. Etc, etc.... |
Th3rdSun
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
323
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Posted - 2012.09.02 21:12:00 -
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Patches The Hyena wrote:The speed is fine. I just wish CCP didn't let Dust become another fps where bunny hopping is a viable means of dodging bullets.
But you only have a limited amount of times that you can hop around,considering the jumping drains your energy. |
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Reout Karaal
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.09.02 21:20:00 -
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How about you do what I do -- kill them before they can get close & try to spray some SMG fire when F2F. You're more armored, they're more agile. Get on with the program.
And don't try to CQC against faster dropsuit using weapons that suck at zero-range. AR is not good here. Scrambler pistol? You better hit the head.
Or we can just make this like scortched earth and make everybody stationary, maybe then QQ about "broken scouts" will end. |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2012.09.02 21:26:00 -
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Scouts have terrible hit detection even at long range. Up close when they're strafing it's especially bad, but whether they're moving or totally still you will find them 100% immune to damage a significant portion of the time.
This isn't "QQ about broken scouts". This is pointing out a legitimately broken/bugged aspect of the game. No offense, but if you don't realize that scouts are this broken you have not been paying attention. |
Dr Skurlock
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
57
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Posted - 2012.09.02 21:33:00 -
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pff I kill scouts all the time. Lead yer shots a bit and they die from one hit. |
mcbob mcbob
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Posted - 2012.09.02 22:03:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:Scouts have terrible hit detection even at long range. Up close when they're strafing it's especially bad, but whether they're moving or totally still you will find them 100% immune to damage a significant portion of the time.
This isn't "QQ about broken scouts". This is pointing out a legitimately broken/bugged aspect of the game. No offense, but if you don't realize that scouts are this broken you have not been paying attention.
So you're saying all those snipers I sniped aren't scouts because I hit them? |
RolyatDerTeufel
D3ath D3alers
RISE of LEGION
1648
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Posted - 2012.09.02 22:05:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Run you OVER wrote:Side to side movement must be slowed down. Scout hitbox needs fixing, and we're all already aware of this. You better be careful talking about movement nerfs, 'cause you'll get jumped on pretty damn quick.
Movement nerf not need, your gun game, it needs improving.
Cause it's a scout suit. It's the easiest thing to kill, shoot it a few times and it's down.
believe me, I use them exclusively. I die much more then i would if i use an assault suit. I choose not to. |
l8erXD
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
33
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Posted - 2012.09.02 22:06:00 -
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I use my normal assualt rifle to kill them with my skinweave logi dropsuit -_- |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2012.09.02 22:11:00 -
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mcbob mcbob wrote:So you're saying all those snipers I sniped aren't scouts because I hit them?
Not everyone snipes in a scout suit, but if you've ever done sniping for any serious amount of time you will be very familiar with the notion of an enemy sniping sitting there, in plain view, shooting, while you put round after round into him to no avail. I can't imagine anyone who does a lot of sniping not realizing how broken scout suits are. I have around 1,000 kills as a sniper thus far and became well-acquainted with broken scout suits in that time. |
Reout Karaal
Doomheim
85
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Posted - 2012.09.02 22:15:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:Scouts have terrible hit detection even at long range. Up close when they're strafing it's especially bad, but whether they're moving or totally still you will find them 100% immune to damage a significant portion of the time.
This isn't "QQ about broken scouts". This is pointing out a legitimately broken/bugged aspect of the game. No offense, but if you don't realize that scouts are this broken you have not been paying attention.
Running Assaults and Scouts (75%/25%). I described my own experience from both ends. Works for me. But no, sure, let's make everybody into a Heavy, nerfing is fun.
Hits not registering is lag, not "broken scout hitbox". On low lag I can hunt Scouts no problem and drop on people using my Scouts. With lag even shotgun-to-the-face does not register, nevermind against which enemy model. Most of the bawling babies have no clue about weapon range, shooting moving targets or aiming in the soft spots, so they will cry about hit detection and broken scouts. Sure, it sometimes happens that due to lag you see shield flashes and nothing registers, but by the amount of QQ here I'd assume that nothing can be shot and that Scouts are indestructible. If they are -- why not spec into Scout? Or drive a tank, they seem to be well off now. |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2012.09.02 22:30:00 -
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Reout Karaal wrote:Running Assaults and Scouts (75%/25%). I described my own experience from both ends. Works for me. But no, sure, let's make everybody into a Heavy, nerfing is fun.
Really? Exactly 75% and 25%, huh?
And what are you talking about? Don't freak out because people suggest may scout strafing is too effective. Nobody here suggested every be given the speed of heavy suits.
Quote:Hits not registering is lag, not "broken scout hitbox". On low lag I can hunt Scouts no problem and drop on people using my Scouts. With lag even shotgun-to-the-face does not register, nevermind against which enemy model. Most of the bawling babies have no clue about weapon range, shooting moving targets or aiming in the soft spots, so they will cry about hit detection and broken scouts. Sure, it sometimes happens that due to lag you see shield flashes and nothing registers, but by the amount of QQ here I'd assume that nothing can be shot and that Scouts are indestructible. If they are -- why not spec into Scout? Or drive a tank, they seem to be well off now.
No, it isn't lag in my experience. If I shoot a scout that doesn't die, I'll switch targets and kill someone else. If you give it a few seconds, eventually the scout will be vulnerable to shots. I rarely if ever seem to have this issue with logistics or assault suits. Heavy suits seem to be a bit iffy, albeit to a lesser extent than scouts.
The rest of your comments were pretty childish, so I'll leave you to them. |
Reout Karaal
Doomheim
85
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Posted - 2012.09.03 07:36:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:Really? Exactly 75% and 25%, huh?
Roughly 3 out of 4 times I drop in as Assault, 1 out of 4 Scout. Sounds better? And you're telling me I'm childish?
Fivetimes Infinity wrote:And what are you talking about? Don't freak out because people suggest may scout strafing is too effective. Nobody here suggested every be given the speed of heavy suits.
I'm talking about this "I got shot, they must be OP" QQ that is going on here. Yeah, people were only suggesting slowing down the fastest suits, because they're... wait for it... too fast. So I think: "hyperbole", google it.
Fivetimes Infinity wrote:No, it isn't lag in my experience. If I shoot a scout that doesn't die, I'll switch targets and kill someone else. If you give it a few seconds, eventually the scout will be vulnerable to shots.
You may believe me or not, but it's lag on your or their end. If you think the hitboxes are wonky -- try spraying around their body with some high RoF weapon -- unless you're trying to tell me that hitbox goes missing completely. Nothing registers? Lag. Not the "world freezes" lag, but "packet lost or not in time for the server to honor" lag. Flashes? Local effect, but communication to server is borked for this salvo. This needs work on CCP end, but screaming "broken hitboxes, nerf it nao" every time just shows who's the noob. I'm raging a little, because I'm mostly facing this problem with stationary or near stationary enemies. Good news -- grenade usually works. Cook for best results, or even kamikaze.
My point: Slower strafing will do nothing if your shots go into the nearest black hole, instead the body.
Fivetimes Infinity wrote:I rarely if ever seem to have this issue with logistics or assault suits. Heavy suits seem to be a bit iffy, albeit to a lesser extent than scouts.
That's racist! ;) And in all seriousness -- had that happen to me on all models, mostly on assaults (may be sample bias, I mostly fight them), then scouts (walked around sniper with militia scout, emptied Toxin (smg lvl4, weaponry lvl4, +3% sidearm damage) into his head, he turned around, OHS me and went back to sniping), then heavies (militia heavy, two clips from Toxin, zip damage). Logis seem to be easiest to kill for me with any weapon, but I had at least two of them eating everything I threw and only shields sparkled, nothing registered. I remember, because they were shotgunning and it was a rather short, streak breaking experience.
Fivetimes Infinity wrote:The rest of your comments were pretty childish, so I'll leave you to them.
Well not everybody can be twelve, big brah, gimme some time. |
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Nate Silverley
Rebelles A Quebec
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Posted - 2012.09.03 11:25:00 -
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Everyonr keeps talking about hit detection like it's the utmost issue to their gungame sucking. I have never had any hit detection problems playing AR or shotgun, and wearing assault suits. I average around 10-15 kills per game and don't find killing scouts any difficult, even at range. Actually it's rather easy.
If there's anything that should be blamed it's lag affecting movement and concurrently, your eyesight.
I wouldn't mess around with hit detection until lag has been resolved. |
ED I AM
HORSE KILLERS
The Predictables
0
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Posted - 2012.09.03 12:34:00 -
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Vitriol18 wrote:I was broke and started doing this with a free militia shotgun, its kinda odd, sometimes i can dance abuot a tiny little bit and no one can hit me, other times even rapid movements seem to have no effect, maybe its a latency issue, with some people seeing relativley smoove movement, and other seeing massive jerky jumps back and forth.
Also using a shotgun point blank you really get to see the weird hit detection, even right next to someone i have to point waaay ahead of the target to score a hit
How far ahead in terms of factors of the sprite? |
Garma QUDA
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
468
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Posted - 2012.09.03 14:02:00 -
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All Im reading is "no your wrong, CCP needs to listen to me" |
mikegunnz
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
425
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Posted - 2012.09.03 16:16:00 -
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Garma QUDA wrote:All Im reading is "no your wrong, CCP needs to listen to me"
True, lol. I'll elaborate.
One camp says scout suit speed is what is broken, and makes them dominate. (especially in cqc)
The other camp says its the spotty hit detection.
I'd argue it's the hit detection. If it were just a speed issue, that would suggest that the scout suit could strafe or run faster than other suits could track them...especially in cqc. Right now, it IS possible to track a scout in cqc using either a scout or assault suit. Heavies do have a problem, but it is SUPPOSED to be tough for them for balancing purposes.
Those of us that argue the hit detection being the problem, CAN keep our crosshairs on target, but bullets just dont register hits. Some have even experimented and have had opponent scouts purposefully run THROUGH their line of fire, without taking damage.
If you've caught a scout in cqc, in a narrow alley, and they just strafe thru your bullets, you know what i mean.
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Sardonk Eternia
Multnomah Interstellar Holdings Inc.
67
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Posted - 2012.09.03 20:05:00 -
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Guys, guys...
The only real problem with scout lateral movement is it's so hard to hit them with my Gunnlogi while they circle around me like annoying mosquito. |
Dr Skurlock
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
57
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Posted - 2012.09.03 20:27:00 -
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Sardonk Eternia wrote:Guys, guys...
The only real problem with scout lateral movement is it's so hard to hit them with my Gunnlogi while they circle around me like annoying mosquito.
rofl |
Sardonk Eternia
Multnomah Interstellar Holdings Inc.
67
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Posted - 2012.09.03 20:51:00 -
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I'd also like to point out that the OP here is Run you OVER. He's known to me as a guy who drives around in LAV trying to run people over. Of course he doesn't like those pesky scouts, they are really hard to hit...with a jeep. |
Saul Deschain
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
19
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Posted - 2012.09.03 21:05:00 -
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It's funny because OP is a tankfag.
Sorry you suck at the game and are so insecure you have to use the word 'fairies'. |
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