My main complaint about the game is that the weakest link of this MMOFPS is actually the FPS part. The guns, how the guns control, fire, the hit detection. It needs serious work.

I'm used to how BF3 handled it and for me, that's perfect. The FPS part of DUST is far from perfect.

Becuase of this I spend most of my time either playing medic, flying or gunning. I'm a big fan of the drop ships, and that's where I usually have a lot of fun. Until they fix the FPS aspect though, I won't be having that much fun on the ground.

Honestly, and this is NOT a troll.... There is so much wrong I can't be bothered posting in 30 or 40 different issue threads.
At the moment with all the bugs it's so frustrating to even try to play I can only do an hour or so at a time. Most fps players never really bother with forums unless it's to troll some other troll. I will wait to see if things change but sadly I fear not.

I put a lot of it down to anything negative posted even in a constructed manner and you either get it's beta, gfo, or go play cod.

Plus even ccp themselves don't seem to let us in every week on what they plan or how we feel the game is going with issues or our concerns not only on irc but on these very forums or am I missing something?

Also and I know it's a console game but why is there no in game ticket report or feed back option, they could add this and use drop down menu's and a comment box .

[email protected] for bug reporting. the only other place to submit bugs is eve online client there is also the feedback and technical issues threads.

CCP is understandably VERY busy, its hard to get thier attention as to when the hamsters are starving. Think the logest response time was 30 minutes.

Also forum postings are sometimes treated like a dev blog they have to be peer reviewed by fellow employees before they say something that will be regretted later which is the ultimate reason why they probably dont forum post seriously as we'd like to see them post.

As for the hostility ingore it if you can. Mostly this is generated by poorly put together arguments and further hampering your ideas or thoughts could be that nobody else is experincing your issues.

For example I once (and still do) compalin about aim assist and got the same kind of hostility you did. However i preservered and well still have the issues. However I have come to conclude that nobody else as my issues as I do. Apperantly I am the only guy in the entire game that has auto aim on people I already killed.

Many others and myself am willing to work with you guys though to see if its a real issue or something that can be blamed on the current lag/hit detection. There is also thats for sure as many other IRCers would if you would just spell things out instead of providing example 1 2 or 3. We need much more of example 4s around.

please iterate further as you are only furthering my point.

I've just told you. The only way I could add to that is to say the bullets or whatever is fired from my assault rifle seem to travel very slowly as I have to lead my targets by a stupidly large amount to hit them at 10 metres. That's another thing I would call an issue.

But in general the shooting mechanics are just poor and it's very hard to get that across in writing. All I can tell you is that the shooting mechanics in BF3 are leaps and bounds ahead because they are smoother. Of course, the hit detection, frame rate drops and rubber banding are also major issues.

Also, i've never tried it but i've seen an option for aim assist. They either need to scrap that completely or have separate aim assist and free aim servers like Max Payne 3 and Grand Theft Auto 4.

Understandable, however the producers of BF3 have had over a decade or more of fine tuning how they do things and making FPS. Also none of the BF games are an MMO. They're lobbies with servers that you choose to fight in. Not a persistant universe. The first time CCP showed Dust was at Fanfest 2009. In an early alpha stage. As for the aim assist and having seperate servers. It's a persistant universe. Not a lobby with servers to hop in out of as you feel like. When you're in a system you're in a system. Even on a planet no matter what district you're going to show up in that systems local channel. Meaning anyone can talk. Even EvE players that will be in that system. Also, the game can get quite detailed or has a major chance of it. As in this......


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=49217&p=1


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=7655

So you agree that anyone who is looking for a solid FPS game should go to a different game?

I don't think the MMO part can keep Dust alive. People who want a space MMO go to Eve. Why should people go and play Dust if not for the FPS part?

2x SP gain for vehicles. Infantry lose out. is this vehicle warfare or an FPS?:

Dust has a few issues that i have noticed



Also i hate this idea of go back to (insert popular game here) crap why if i preffer the way battlefield does something would i go back to it if i think that this game has more potential than it if it does it right, like isnt that why most of us are here thats why iam here to try and help ccp make dust all it can be and all some people want to do is make a game for them that will just fill there little niche, why would DUST avoid doing something like COD or like battlefield if it would make it a better game in prossec and possibly make DUST better than battlefield at what it does best?

It's warfare.

Don't get me wrong, you make a lot of good points, but this one needs attention called to it. This is not a traditional FPS. The only thing it has in common with them is what the moniker implies (you shoot from a first person perspective). It's a game with skill progression that affects the damage and accuracy of your weapons, as well as unlocking new ones. It's a game where vehicles are not balanced to be equal to infantry. Eventually there will even be buffs and debuffs in the form of command bonuses and electronic warfare.

Why make a game like BF or COD when they are already experts at it? Would CCP making this like COD or BF really make a difference on who plays it and who doesn't? If the game is just like COD or BF with the basics and rip out the MMO portion of it. The game will get flooded with maybe a small amount of console gamers who stick with it for a month or so and then leave because the makers of COD or BF came out with a new expansion or maps or something. CCP cannot afford to be playing the competition game with those companies. There is just no way. None. They can spend 300mil on a game and have no issues. CCP isn't the kind of company with 300mil to slap down on development. Their only game so far that is actually published is EvE.

[email protected] for bug reporting. the only other place to submit bugs is eve online client there is also the feedback and technical issues threads.

CCP is understandably VERY busy, its hard to get thier attention as to when the hamsters are starving. Think the logest response time was 30 minutes.

Also forum postings are sometimes treated like a dev blog they have to be peer reviewed by fellow employees before they say something that will be regretted later which is the ultimate reason why they probably dont forum post seriously as we'd like to see them post.

As for the hostility ingore it if you can. Mostly this is generated by poorly put together arguments and further hampering your ideas or thoughts could be that nobody else is experincing your issues.

For example I once (and still do) compalin about aim assist and got the same kind of hostility you did. However i preservered and well still have the issues. However I have come to conclude that nobody else as my issues as I do. Apperantly I am the only guy in the entire game that has auto aim on people I already killed.

Many others and myself am willing to work with you guys though to see if its a real issue or something that can be blamed on the current lag/hit detection. There is also thats for sure as many other IRCers would if you would just spell things out instead of providing example 1 2 or 3. We need much more of example 4s around.

Dust has a few issues that i have noticed

Gunplay all weapons feel weightless they do not recoil much/at all, hit detection is still a major issue and only seems to work well at a medium range that not close enough for strafing to be effective and when you get too far hit detection goes out the window completely making maybe 1 out of 7 bullets hit which could be a accuracy thing but how to you tell if your not shooting accurately if the gun has no feel of recoil knocking the aim off target?, also id have to say that guns but ARs are not filling there role this could be due to one of 2 things first is the hard cap on the range of the weapon is far too short and there appears to be heavy damage fall off, the other cause would be the selection of ARs could be incomplete 2 types we are missing off the top of my head should have far more ability to put damage on target at range they are projectile and rail/guass ARs,

Movement feels too much like a camera floating around with a gun unfortunately 2 games that i can think of that i can think of that made the players feel like actual people and not just a gun strapped to a trolly as i heard someone say once was Battlefield Bad Company 2 and Killzone series iam sorry to say i dont know the technical terms for what it is those games did but they made the game feel much more solid, i think one thing that should be done to improve movement system would be to slow down straffing speed and backward movement so it is about 25 to 30% slower than foward movement this would also help hit detection in most straight up fights.

Game is biased to run and gun or playing for the kill, the war points for killing far exceeds that of any other role in the game if this does not change i have to ask what was the point of putting in logi and scout suits if the only reasonable way for them to be competitive on leader boards, in matches and in general is to go for the kills sure thats what assault class should do but scouts primary role should be recon and providing intelligence on enemy positions which they can do but are not rewarded for it because its done passively i would suggest making spotting enemies a manual thing with maybe a passive module for it also but for spotting the scouts should be given reward for doing so as they are playing a vital role on the battlefield, logis are also far under valued for there primary role of keeping people on the battlefield repping people provides very little point and provides points very inconsistently, the nano hive are give good xp but could be made better to make the logi want to put the thing down rather than as it is now i could or i could shoot that guy and make more isk,xp or what ever. I also think people should get passive xp for deffending objectives rather than running out for kills getting killed and ultimitly losing the objective mabye there should be a bonus to this for heavies because that is there role they are the walking turrets that are there to defend objectives.

Iam sorry if i was a bit vague with some of the feed back but this is one of the first betas ive been in and probably the first real one with exception of mabye the AC ones

Also i hate this idea of go back to (insert popular game here) crap why if i preffer the way battlefield does something would i go back to it if i think that this game has more potential than it if it does it right, like isnt that why most of us are here thats why iam here to try and help ccp make dust all it can be and all some people want to do is make a game for them that will just fill there little niche, why would DUST avoid doing something like COD or like battlefield if it would make it a better game in prossec and possibly make DUST better than battlefield at what it does best?

0/10 for generalization.

I am an "FPSer" (because i play fps games a lot?) and I am extremely capable of constructive feedback.

I HATE people like you, People who think that playing a certain type of game is representative of intelligence.
Ugh...

Why make a game like BF or COD when they are already experts at it? Would CCP making this like COD or BF really make a difference on who plays it and who doesn't? If the game is just like COD or BF with the basics and rip out the MMO portion of it. The game will get flooded with maybe a small amount of console gamers who stick with it for a month or so and then leave because the makers of COD or BF came out with a new expansion or maps or something. CCP cannot afford to be playing the competition game with those companies. There is just no way. None. They can spend 300mil on a game and have no issues. CCP isn't the kind of company with 300mil to slap down on development. Their only game so far that is actually published is EvE.

Seems i'm not the only one who feels the FPS part of this MMOFPS is the weakest link. Since they have some sort of partnership with Sony, they should really get some people from Guerrilla Games to sort the FPS part whilst CCP does the MMO.

Killzone has a solid weight to it and the movement, aiming, weapons and what have you feel good. I think this would benefit the game a lot, but it just depends how extensive their partnership is with Sony.

I really dont care, there you may not fit the shoe but others who 'brag' about being fpsers are fitting the shoe quite well.

Others who Wolf?
If you think me, or anyone here, made nonconstructive feedback say it openly: make some names.
Let us reply to your insinuation, with our arguments.
It's easy insinuate "fpsers are idiots" and don't make names.

Call me an idiot publicly!
Say that I an not intelligent enough because FOR YOU I didn't make a constructive feedback

Oh, wait: you will be banned if you do that.

I view it as a direct result of releasing the beta to PS+ members while heavy crashing was still going on heavily. They never got to feel the connection to the beta the E3 build gave; quick game lobbies allowed for bad games to be forgotten quicker, low crash rate didn't give the frustration that this build exudes and they never got to play with gear that actually felt like it was in some form of working order.

All that to a new player who is trying to get into a game causes rage quits and flame threads faster then the bubonic plague could spread.

I've just told you. The only way I could add to that is to say the bullets or whatever is fired from my assault rifle seem to travel very slowly as I have to lead my targets by a stupidly large amount to hit them at 10 metres. That's another thing I would call an issue.

But in general the shooting mechanics are just poor and it's very hard to get that across in writing. All I can tell you is that the shooting mechanics in BF3 are leaps and bounds ahead because they are smoother. Of course, the hit detection, frame rate drops and rubber banding are also major issues.

Also, i've never tried it but i've seen an option for aim assist. They either need to scrap that completely or have separate aim assist and free aim servers like Max Payne 3 and Grand Theft Auto 4.

@iron this forum is full of reasons why this game fails at FPS. And as people say we all get told to go back to (insert game) when mentioning something.

personally the big things for me are (assault class):

weapons should not become more powerful with Sp. remove the Sp +3% to weapons adn in proficiencies. let everyone have the same weapon at their allowed level. ( the increase in SP gain increases damage is just one of many crutches for bad players).

cut people's drop suits by 15%. I am in type 2 assault as are others and we are now all starting to do that stupid dance in a circle change to weapon 2 to finish someone off.

I know this is an RPG but the infantry FPS has to work and the two above changes wont change skiling for different classes wont be affected. The game was fun when everyone was in militia gear. And we will all end up blob/ zerging as squads - whcih is just crap gameplay

2x SP gain for vehicles. Infantry lose out. is this vehicle warfare or an FPS?:
if SP for shields, electronics, mechanics, repair etc. can be used for tanks/ vehicles and dropsuits then assault needs to be given sp for AV. At the moment the vehicle class are getting a free ride with SP gain. They can use their SP for their toon and their vehicle. This lack of foresight from CCP says to me that they dont have a first hand feel for FPSs. Nor did they seem to understand the lack of AV counters for tanks

turn sensitivity is too slow. I cant make it higher because aim down the sights is so bad that if i slightly touch the stick I go miles off target. Controls are not smooth. Controls seem to be an after thought.

I wont go on. But minor changes like the above may bring back some element of fun into the game where skill can still beat SP. It is about balancing the games RPG SP > skill element better. (please dont mention null etc. I know about it)

overall: I like the potential and vision of the game. problem is it mainly is potential.

Dust has a few issues that i have noticed

Gunplay all weapons feel weightless they do not recoil much/at all, hit detection is still a major issue and only seems to work well at a medium range that not close enough for strafing to be effective and when you get too far hit detection goes out the window completely making maybe 1 out of 7 bullets hit which could be a accuracy thing but how to you tell if your not shooting accurately if the gun has no feel of recoil knocking the aim off target?, also id have to say that guns but ARs are not filling there role this could be due to one of 2 things first is the hard cap on the range of the weapon is far too short and there appears to be heavy damage fall off, the other cause would be the selection of ARs could be incomplete 2 types we are missing off the top of my head should have far more ability to put damage on target at range they are projectile and rail/guass ARs,

Movement feels too much like a camera floating around with a gun unfortunately 2 games that i can think of that i can think of that made the players feel like actual people and not just a gun strapped to a trolly as i heard someone say once was Battlefield Bad Company 2 and Killzone series iam sorry to say i dont know the technical terms for what it is those games did but they made the game feel much more solid, i think one thing that should be done to improve movement system would be to slow down straffing speed and backward movement so it is about 25 to 30% slower than foward movement this would also help hit detection in most straight up fights.

Game is biased to run and gun or playing for the kill, the war points for killing far exceeds that of any other role in the game if this does not change i have to ask what was the point of putting in logi and scout suits if the only reasonable way for them to be competitive on leader boards, in matches and in general is to go for the kills sure thats what assault class should do but scouts primary role should be recon and providing intelligence on enemy positions which they can do but are not rewarded for it because its done passively i would suggest making spotting enemies a manual thing with maybe a passive module for it also but for spotting the scouts should be given reward for doing so as they are playing a vital role on the battlefield, logis are also far under valued for there primary role of keeping people on the battlefield repping people provides very little point and provides points very inconsistently, the nano hive are give good xp but could be made better to make the logi want to put the thing down rather than as it is now i could or i could shoot that guy and make more isk,xp or what ever. I also think people should get passive xp for deffending objectives rather than running out for kills getting killed and ultimitly losing the objective mabye there should be a bonus to this for heavies because that is there role they are the walking turrets that are there to defend objectives.

Iam sorry if i was a bit vague with some of the feed back but this is one of the first betas ive been in and probably the first real one with exception of mabye the AC ones

Also i hate this idea of go back to (insert popular game here) crap why if i preffer the way battlefield does something would i go back to it if i think that this game has more potential than it if it does it right, like isnt that why most of us are here thats why iam here to try and help ccp make dust all it can be and all some people want to do is make a game for them that will just fill there little niche, why would DUST avoid doing something like COD or like battlefield if it would make it a better game in prossec and possibly make DUST better than battlefield at what it does best?

Seems i'm not the only one who feels the FPS part of this MMOFPS is the weakest link. Since they have some sort of partnership with Sony, they should really get some people from Guerrilla Games to sort the FPS part whilst CCP does the MMO.

Killzone has a solid weight to it and the movement, aiming, weapons and what have you feel good. I think this would benefit the game a lot, but it just depends how extensive their partnership is with Sony.

I actually hated killzone gun play entirely. Guns felt like swinging around half water filled jugs of milk.

Uh this isnt just directed to you ...Im reading these post and I have to disagree with the whole....they gave it to PS + users and now there flooding our forums with complaints...................HELLO THIS GAME WAS CREATED BY CCP TO BRING "CONSOLE"PLAYERS INTO NEW EDEN....NOT PC FORUM JOCKIES.YOU HAVE A GAME ITS CALLED EVE.

I dont know whats more sad...them posting there frustration in a non constructive manner or you staying in the forums berating console fps players as if you were actually employed by CCP and not actually Beta (playing)testing the game at all...Your pretentious dribble while formulated grammatically correct is still line upon line of rambling nonsense fit only for digestion of other forum jokies in some snobbish bid for attention from people who you believe actually care about your opinion with your nose wedged so firmly up there anus that you cant even pervew what they are directing you to look at .Ie the "Game".
and on the troll side in common enough tongue that is direct and to the point....I have seen you play and you suck.

So please keep posting page upon page of garbage....spam is spam.

And therein lies another issue: "feel" of the guns is a really damn hard aspect to quantify. Add to that the fact that everyone has their own preference, and many people stick to a single shooter series due mainly to how the guns "feel", and you end up with the inevitable disappointment of someone.

Yeah this makes this sort of feed back much more difficult to pin down.

however any sort of feedback about something 'lacking' is better than no feedback about something that is currently dull.

Uh this isnt just directed to you ...Im reading these post and I have to disagree with the whole....they gave it to PS + users and now there flooding our forums with complaints...................HELLO THIS GAME WAS CREATED BY CCP TO BRING "CONSOLE"PLAYERS INTO NEW EDEN....NOT PC FORUM JOCKIES.YOU HAVE A GAME ITS CALLED EVE.

I dont know whats more sad...them posting there frustration in a non constructive manner or you staying in the forums berating console fps players as if you were actually employed by CCP and not actually Beta (playing)testing the game at all...Your pretentious dribble while formulated grammatically correct is still line upon line of rambling nonsense fit only for digestion of other forum jokies in some snobbish bid for attention from people who you believe actually care about your opinion with your nose wedged so firmly up there anus that you cant even pervew what they are directing you to look at .Ie the "Game".
and on the troll side in common enough tongue that is direct and to the point....I have seen you play and you suck.

So please keep posting page upon page of garbage....spam is spam.