My main complaint about the game is that the weakest link of this MMOFPS is actually the FPS part. The guns, how the guns control, fire, the hit detection. It needs serious work.

I'm used to how BF3 handled it and for me, that's perfect. The FPS part of DUST is far from perfect.

Becuase of this I spend most of my time either playing medic, flying or gunning. I'm a big fan of the drop ships, and that's where I usually have a lot of fun. Until they fix the FPS aspect though, I won't be having that much fun on the ground.

Honestly, and this is NOT a troll.... There is so much wrong I can't be bothered posting in 30 or 40 different issue threads.
At the moment with all the bugs it's so frustrating to even try to play I can only do an hour or so at a time. Most fps players never really bother with forums unless it's to troll some other troll. I will wait to see if things change but sadly I fear not.

I put a lot of it down to anything negative posted even in a constructed manner and you either get it's beta, gfo, or go play cod.

Plus even ccp themselves don't seem to let us in every week on what they plan or how we feel the game is going with issues or our concerns not only on irc but on these very forums or am I missing something?

Also and I know it's a console game but why is there no in game ticket report or feed back option, they could add this and use drop down menu's and a comment box .

[email protected] for bug reporting. the only other place to submit bugs is eve online client there is also the feedback and technical issues threads.

CCP is understandably VERY busy, its hard to get thier attention as to when the hamsters are starving. Think the logest response time was 30 minutes.

Also forum postings are sometimes treated like a dev blog they have to be peer reviewed by fellow employees before they say something that will be regretted later which is the ultimate reason why they probably dont forum post seriously as we'd like to see them post.

As for the hostility ingore it if you can. Mostly this is generated by poorly put together arguments and further hampering your ideas or thoughts could be that nobody else is experincing your issues.

For example I once (and still do) compalin about aim assist and got the same kind of hostility you did. However i preservered and well still have the issues. However I have come to conclude that nobody else as my issues as I do. Apperantly I am the only guy in the entire game that has auto aim on people I already killed.

Many others and myself am willing to work with you guys though to see if its a real issue or something that can be blamed on the current lag/hit detection. There is also thats for sure as many other IRCers would if you would just spell things out instead of providing example 1 2 or 3. We need much more of example 4s around.

please iterate further as you are only furthering my point.

I've just told you. The only way I could add to that is to say the bullets or whatever is fired from my assault rifle seem to travel very slowly as I have to lead my targets by a stupidly large amount to hit them at 10 metres. That's another thing I would call an issue.

But in general the shooting mechanics are just poor and it's very hard to get that across in writing. All I can tell you is that the shooting mechanics in BF3 are leaps and bounds ahead because they are smoother. Of course, the hit detection, frame rate drops and rubber banding are also major issues.

Also, i've never tried it but i've seen an option for aim assist. They either need to scrap that completely or have separate aim assist and free aim servers like Max Payne 3 and Grand Theft Auto 4.

Understandable, however the producers of BF3 have had over a decade or more of fine tuning how they do things and making FPS. Also none of the BF games are an MMO. They're lobbies with servers that you choose to fight in. Not a persistant universe. The first time CCP showed Dust was at Fanfest 2009. In an early alpha stage. As for the aim assist and having seperate servers. It's a persistant universe. Not a lobby with servers to hop in out of as you feel like. When you're in a system you're in a system. Even on a planet no matter what district you're going to show up in that systems local channel. Meaning anyone can talk. Even EvE players that will be in that system. Also, the game can get quite detailed or has a major chance of it. As in this......


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=49217&p=1


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=7655

So you agree that anyone who is looking for a solid FPS game should go to a different game?

I don't think the MMO part can keep Dust alive. People who want a space MMO go to Eve. Why should people go and play Dust if not for the FPS part?

2x SP gain for vehicles. Infantry lose out. is this vehicle warfare or an FPS?:

Dust has a few issues that i have noticed



Also i hate this idea of go back to (insert popular game here) crap why if i preffer the way battlefield does something would i go back to it if i think that this game has more potential than it if it does it right, like isnt that why most of us are here thats why iam here to try and help ccp make dust all it can be and all some people want to do is make a game for them that will just fill there little niche, why would DUST avoid doing something like COD or like battlefield if it would make it a better game in prossec and possibly make DUST better than battlefield at what it does best?

It's warfare.

Don't get me wrong, you make a lot of good points, but this one needs attention called to it. This is not a traditional FPS. The only thing it has in common with them is what the moniker implies (you shoot from a first person perspective). It's a game with skill progression that affects the damage and accuracy of your weapons, as well as unlocking new ones. It's a game where vehicles are not balanced to be equal to infantry. Eventually there will even be buffs and debuffs in the form of command bonuses and electronic warfare.

Why make a game like BF or COD when they are already experts at it? Would CCP making this like COD or BF really make a difference on who plays it and who doesn't? If the game is just like COD or BF with the basics and rip out the MMO portion of it. The game will get flooded with maybe a small amount of console gamers who stick with it for a month or so and then leave because the makers of COD or BF came out with a new expansion or maps or something. CCP cannot afford to be playing the competition game with those companies. There is just no way. None. They can spend 300mil on a game and have no issues. CCP isn't the kind of company with 300mil to slap down on development. Their only game so far that is actually published is EvE.

[email protected] for bug reporting. the only other place to submit bugs is eve online client there is also the feedback and technical issues threads.

CCP is understandably VERY busy, its hard to get thier attention as to when the hamsters are starving. Think the logest response time was 30 minutes.

Also forum postings are sometimes treated like a dev blog they have to be peer reviewed by fellow employees before they say something that will be regretted later which is the ultimate reason why they probably dont forum post seriously as we'd like to see them post.

As for the hostility ingore it if you can. Mostly this is generated by poorly put together arguments and further hampering your ideas or thoughts could be that nobody else is experincing your issues.

For example I once (and still do) compalin about aim assist and got the same kind of hostility you did. However i preservered and well still have the issues. However I have come to conclude that nobody else as my issues as I do. Apperantly I am the only guy in the entire game that has auto aim on people I already killed.

Many others and myself am willing to work with you guys though to see if its a real issue or something that can be blamed on the current lag/hit detection. There is also thats for sure as many other IRCers would if you would just spell things out instead of providing example 1 2 or 3. We need much more of example 4s around.

Dust has a few issues that i have noticed

Gunplay all weapons feel weightless they do not recoil much/at all, hit detection is still a major issue and only seems to work well at a medium range that not close enough for strafing to be effective and when you get too far hit detection goes out the window completely making maybe 1 out of 7 bullets hit which could be a accuracy thing but how to you tell if your not shooting accurately if the gun has no feel of recoil knocking the aim off target?, also id have to say that guns but ARs are not filling there role this could be due to one of 2 things first is the hard cap on the range of the weapon is far too short and there appears to be heavy damage fall off, the other cause would be the selection of ARs could be incomplete 2 types we are missing off the top of my head should have far more ability to put damage on target at range they are projectile and rail/guass ARs,

Movement feels too much like a camera floating around with a gun unfortunately 2 games that i can think of that i can think of that made the players feel like actual people and not just a gun strapped to a trolly as i heard someone say once was Battlefield Bad Company 2 and Killzone series iam sorry to say i dont know the technical terms for what it is those games did but they made the game feel much more solid, i think one thing that should be done to improve movement system would be to slow down straffing speed and backward movement so it is about 25 to 30% slower than foward movement this would also help hit detection in most straight up fights.

Game is biased to run and gun or playing for the kill, the war points for killing far exceeds that of any other role in the game if this does not change i have to ask what was the point of putting in logi and scout suits if the only reasonable way for them to be competitive on leader boards, in matches and in general is to go for the kills sure thats what assault class should do but scouts primary role should be recon and providing intelligence on enemy positions which they can do but are not rewarded for it because its done passively i would suggest making spotting enemies a manual thing with maybe a passive module for it also but for spotting the scouts should be given reward for doing so as they are playing a vital role on the battlefield, logis are also far under valued for there primary role of keeping people on the battlefield repping people provides very little point and provides points very inconsistently, the nano hive are give good xp but could be made better to make the logi want to put the thing down rather than as it is now i could or i could shoot that guy and make more isk,xp or what ever. I also think people should get passive xp for deffending objectives rather than running out for kills getting killed and ultimitly losing the objective mabye there should be a bonus to this for heavies because that is there role they are the walking turrets that are there to defend objectives.

Iam sorry if i was a bit vague with some of the feed back but this is one of the first betas ive been in and probably the first real one with exception of mabye the AC ones

Also i hate this idea of go back to (insert popular game here) crap why if i preffer the way battlefield does something would i go back to it if i think that this game has more potential than it if it does it right, like isnt that why most of us are here thats why iam here to try and help ccp make dust all it can be and all some people want to do is make a game for them that will just fill there little niche, why would DUST avoid doing something like COD or like battlefield if it would make it a better game in prossec and possibly make DUST better than battlefield at what it does best?

0/10 for generalization.

I am an "FPSer" (because i play fps games a lot?) and I am extremely capable of constructive feedback.

I HATE people like you, People who think that playing a certain type of game is representative of intelligence.
Ugh...