Oops. The US Revolution was against Britain my friend, the US Civil War was between the Union and the Confederacy where the Union forced the Confederacy back into the Union. Basically, the Federation wants to force the Caldari (read: confederates) back into the Federation (read: union).

I'm not saying it's 100% analogous but it's close.

I'm not sure what you mean by homophobic war though?

Edit: Okay.. now I've got the right quote.. >.<



These kinds of mistakes happen when you're trying to split attention between homework, posting.. and want for sleep. >.<;;

double Edit: No wait.. wrong quote.. what am I posting ???.. >>.....<<
Have to re-read through the text now.

Clearly the Caldari are a selfish people, willing to throw the entire Gallente social structure into turmoil for the sake of their precious profits. My brothers and sisters, take no pity on these people, for they have chosen to stand against all that we hold dear. Their corporate claws my have dug deep into our people as they fled from the homes that we worked so hard to provide for them, but we will show them what it means to cross us, to put our great society at risk with their petty squables

My fellow Gallenteans!! Stand up for what is right!! Stand up for true freedom, not a dictatorship that twists information and lies for its own political gains!!! The Caldari state must not be allowed to continue to put our people at risk, they must be stopped at all costs!!

Rest easy tonight my friends, for war is soon at hand!!

You claim that your acts were just but instead of seeking new sysyems, you yook part of ours. All caldari are just thieves looking for a profit. Wait why didn't i choose caldari? (Minus the thief part)

I'm not sure what you mean by homophobic war though?

Okay so, basically what this is saying is that two nations developed on entirely different planets. These are entire planets by the way.. and they share population and gene pools on a daily basis... similar to countries in Europe.

Being that they are ENTIRE PLANETS one would assume that there would be about 20+ different races amongst each planet before they regained their intestellar technology. (cause lore states they lost technology when the wormhole collapsed I believe).... which I just made a point for myself to go read up on the earth chronicles...
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Earth

... joy.. *sigh*

When a game gets too much lore, it becomes a major headache to talk about.

Anyway... either they have been purging their populations on a regular basis to keep only "one race" originating from each planet, or they're doing something to all the other minorities... oh wait.. I think there were like... Four minorities left on Gallente Prime right?

Not to mention that there is an entire planetary void between the planets that can act like a massive enviro-political barrier. Countries on Earth could be decisively separated by something as simple as a river, and live peacefully next to each other.. but here.. hundreds of thousands of miles is "too close"... :/

Curse your propaganda Caldari Rebel!

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Unfortunately you're clearly misunderstanding a lot of the lore.

The Intaki and Mannar don't live on Gallente Prime, they have their own homeworlds.

Two separate planets joined in a Federation, like the northern and southern states. They may as well have been two separate planets what with slavery and what not. The south left the union and the north forced the south back into the union. The gallente are doing the same, but they don't even have the moral justification of slavery.

Homophobic means anti-gay friend: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia

Genocide is not something the Caldari partake in. Your Gallente homeworld bombarded and invaded our homeworld committing genocide of millions of our own people to maintain control. Your people murdered ours on our own homeworld.

Jump drive technology was rediscovered jointly by both efforts between the Gallente and the Caldari about 500 years before the start of the Caldari-Gallente war:

Shortly after jump gate technology was jointly discovered by the Gallente and the Caldari a little over five hundred years before the Federation formed, the Caldari corporations had started their own interstellar surveying and colonization, separate from that conducted by the Gallente. It was these colonies, kept as a secret from the Gallenteans, that became the source of friction between the Gallenteans and the Caldari, culminating in the latterGÇÖs defection from the Federation and an ensuing war between the two races.

Don't listen to their corporate propaganda my friends!! The Caldari are a corrupt and militant people, violent beyond measure and ruthless without compassion. Yes, it is true, the Gallente federation did set up a blockade around Caldari Prime, but this was merely a precaution as peace negotiations were under way. Unable to abide by civilized rule, the Caldari took it upon themselves to engage in acts of gorilla warfare, sabatoging our defenses in a barbaric display of hethanism.

To make matters worse, a large portion of our brothers and sisters were trapped on Caldari prime, at the mercy of these barbaric people.

"The turning point came when Caldari partisans sabotaged the glass dome of the Gallente-inhabited underwater city Nouvelle Rouvenor. More than half a million perished. From then on a lengthy, bloody war between the two races was all but inevitable GÇô the Federation retaliated at once by sending an invasion force down to Caldari Prime and began a systematic orbital bombardment of the planet. "

These people have no morals, they are ruled by coin and coin alone. It is the Gallente that stand for freedom, for democracy, for equality!! Justice shall prevail, the Gallente, shall prevail!!!

These people have sided with the Amarr, and actively support their vile slave trade. Many Caldari vessels have been seen transporting innocent civilians into Amarr slave pens, despite the States efforts to keep such involvement hidden. The Caldari are no friends of Freedom, they exist only to cause turmoil and despair in the cosmos, right alongside the evil Amarran Empire.

The Caldari should be grateful for our mercy, for our desire to welcome them back into the fold, despite their vast and atrocious crimes against humanity.

Until that day comes however, we will strike fear into their hearts as we march onward, crushing their tiny state beneath our heels. Nothing will stand in the way of true freedom, and we won't allow those militant dogs to corrupt any more innocent lives.

War is at hand my brothers and sisters, steel yourselves and prepare for combat!!!

(<3 race wars ^_^)

(This little bit of banter is making me love this game almost more than the gameplay itself >_<)

Unfortunately you're clearly misunderstanding a lot of the lore.

The Intaki and Mannar don't live on Gallente Prime, they have their own homeworlds.

Two separate planets joined in a Federation, like the northern and southern states. They may as well have been two separate planets what with slavery and what not. The south left the union and the north forced the south back into the union. The gallente are doing the same, but they don't even have the moral justification of slavery.

Homophobic means anti-gay friend: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia

Genocide is not something the Caldari partake in. Your Gallente homeworld bombarded and invaded our homeworld committing genocide of millions of our own people to maintain control. Your people murdered ours on our own homeworld.

Jump drive technology was rediscovered jointly by both efforts between the Gallente and the Caldari about 500 years before the start of the Caldari-Gallente war:

Shortly after jump gate technology was jointly discovered by the Gallente and the Caldari a little over five hundred years before the Federation formed, the Caldari corporations had started their own interstellar surveying and colonization, separate from that conducted by the Gallente. It was these colonies, kept as a secret from the Gallenteans, that became the source of friction between the Gallenteans and the Caldari, culminating in the latterGÇÖs defection from the Federation and an ensuing war between the two races.

I used the wrong roots of the word. Homo refers to humanity's history, and somehow homophobia, the fear of humans became culturally known as a fear of gay/lesbian behavior... Xenophobia is what I meant to write.

I roughly calculate there being.. 6,000 years between the settling of Caldari/Gallente, and their first contact.

If minorities do not naturally exist on these planets the only explanation can be purging by both parties.

Another point of note is that within 50 years.. they went from faulty space travel to the creation of stargates. Imagine how that would be like on earth... to discover how to use horses, then about 4 years later build cars designed like those of today. Also of note.. the jump drive was developed AFTER they discovered the Intaki and Mannar... in other words they somehow managed commuication between planetary systems with nothing but basic thruster systems.... what?....

Then suddenly, after 300+ years of coexisting peace they decide that their neighbor is untrustworthy and has to have sanctions applied against them... yet again this feels faulty. That would be like the US suddenly placing embargos against Europe for attempting to send missionaries to Africa.. or something like that.
Countries with amicable relations for so long don't tend to go off the handle at one another like the lore says. :/

LOL It's fine, I just want Gallente players to understand what exactly they're doing. They're not freedom fighters. We, the Caldari, declared our independence... and you, the Gallente, are attempting to force us back into the Federation through either good or evil (read: by any means necessary).

We broke off from you like the US from Britain if you prefer to compare to the US revolution, though the US Civil War is more apt because we were technically a part of the Federation and involved in its governance whereas the US colonies had no say in governing therefore the Revolutionary War.

Still not sure what you mean by homophobic war.

Nouvelle Rouvenor was an underwater city on Caldari Prime largely inhabited by a Gallente population prior to the Gallente-Caldari War. Its dome was sabotaged by Caldari partisans at the start of the war and some 500,000 people were killed. Current status is unknown.

My references of time come from here
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Age_of_Expansion
It's a timeline that includes highlights for the Gallente and Caldari.


Also, as to the "hidden colonies" bit... the only way this could happen is if Gallente was giving Caldari 100% of its trust. Why? Because if they were distrustful of each other even just a tiny bit, they would have spies in the government of the other race. After 300 years of contact such a thing would be trivial for both parties.

Not to mention that in space, the void allows one to see public transportation quite clearly.. and if thousands of tons of materials are being transported out of a refueling hub, yet there are no records of the vehicle's cargo at its next "destination" and no reports of overt piracy in a region... that would send red flags everywhere that a structure was being built. Countries always look for these kinds of things due to the fact that the structure could potentially be military in nature. Not only that, but communication signals steadily coming from unauthorized regions of space, and supply lines incoming with no registered point of origin would also start the same flags up, as the new colonies would need trade in order to survive and prosper.

i think you'll find that according to the OP, the Caldari set up planets outside of the society that they claimed to be a part of, presumably to cut corners and rake in the profits.

The Caldari are corporate slaves, and what exactly do corporations do? I'm not talking about non-profit organizations here :P.. cause that is certainly not a Caldari brief.

The Caldari turned their backs on a society when they no longer needed them to provide a safe haven. They set out under cover of darkness and set up home worlds to enslave peoples with their brainwashing propaganda.


The Gallente on the other hand have a history of helping others when in need. Sure like any DEMOCRACY, a political faction can take the reins and steer a bum course, but the Gallente are a DEMOCRACY. And its people stand proud and free.

When you say the Gallente are not freedom fighters, I have only to point you towards millions of Minmatar, freed from the Amarr slavers, at the cost of a continuing war with the Amarr.


TLDR:?
"insert corporate logo here"=Caldari propaganda

This alone would send any nation to frenzy and you wonder why your ass got carpet bombed ?
Caldari is nothing but dictatorship built on slave wage labour of a common man, they speak of merits while being a kiss ass still merits as much if not more then in the Gallente.

I only pity those who get "fired" from their jobs in a society on planet that consists of entirely corporate owned assets, might as well put a bullet in your head right then and there.

BULLSHIT! your rebellion is nothing more than a childs tantrum upon realizing that yes, the rules do indeed apply to you as well!

you will be spanked, grounded, and 40 years from now you will thanks us for it!

When I first made my EVE character, I was torn between choosing Caldari or Gallente, and I eventually went with Gallente.

Now, in DUST, I went with Caldari. It's interesting being on both sides with different characters.

Are we LARPING???? Cause at one point through all these comments i swear it was like an all out just Cyber LARP war. damn this is interesting. Keep up the good comments. Damn i just cant wait to kill the Gallente and Get my million SP and ISK

god ive missed EVE , this entire thread is awesome ! best read ever love it .

After ive read the lore between the Minmatar vs Amarr and Caldari vs Gal i cant understand why in EVE and espc in faction warfare why the minmatar and caldari are not allys tbh

Currently in FW the amarr and caldari and allys and the minmatar and gal are also allys but the gal seemed to want to enslave the caldari so to speak into the federation and the caldari didnt want that likewise the minmatar fought against the amarr for freedom

also this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eAIQR01ZLw

Note that the Gallente-Caldari war is over and we've made peace. Our current conflict stems from a Gallente Admiral pulling a 9/11 on a caldari station.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M0Iqbz5ZpE

You do realise that Caldari have no qualms with slaves as it's good business to have workers that you don't have to pay anything and can easily be replaced by sending them back to Amarr for "training camps" to learn some civility and word of god ?

What we fight against is the oligarchy of the Caldari state not it's people though misguided as they are in their views.
Also blockade was better then the Caldari style which is carpet bombing first and peace talks later; more bombs you drop the more money you make from it after all.

Also blockade was better then the Caldari style which is carpet bombing first and peace talks later; more bombs you drop the more money you make from it after all.

Kinda, four factions are fighting an ideological proxy war, in a kind of Roman Coliseum atmosphere under the Umpires known as CONCORD. The one ongoing between the Gallente and the Caldari pits pure corporate capitalism(The Caldari), an open meritocracy against social democracy (The Gallente), a form of covert socialism.

The only reason is that we, the Caldari, don't have the blob factor that the Gallente and Amarr do. The Amarrians have an empire large enough to scare the Gallente into leaving us alone and governing ourselves the way we wish. We have more in common with the Minmatar, but the Minmatar need the Gallente Federation to scare the Amarrians into a truce. All out war is prevented due to these alliances.

We need each other's enemy to preserve and secure our own existence. The web is very thick in EVE lore politics. The Minmatar and Caldari are both rebels, but can't preserve their own existence without the alliance of a superpower.

For the next few days nothing much happened. The Caldari were content to sit by the jump gates, while the Gallenteans were debating how to best negotiate a peace agreement. But the Caldari on Caldari Prime were restless. They found the Gallente blockade intolerable and soon small-scale guerrilla activities escalated into all out hostilities. In the end the Gallente population on the planet had to pay the price for the FederationGÇÖs indecisiveness.

The turning point came when Caldari partisans sabotaged the glass dome of the Gallente-inhabited underwater city Nouvelle Rouvenor. More than half a million perished. From then on a lengthy, bloody war between the two races was all but inevitable GÇô the Federation retaliated at once by sending an invasion force down to Caldari Prime and began a systematic orbital bombardment of the planet. Soon, the Caldari population had been driven to the mountains and the forests; their resistance getting weaker by the day. The only question was: how would the newly formed Caldari State respond?

The Caldari have themselves to blame.



Anyway this is ancient history, the more pressing concern right now is the Caldari segregating the entire Gallente population of Caldari Prime and holding them hostage with a Titan in orbit.

As for the Minmatar the only reason they're even an Empire right now is because of all the aid the Gallente gave them, both with trillions in ISK and military training.

Anyway this is ancient history, the more pressing concern right now is the Caldari segregating the entire Gallente population of Caldari Prime and holding them hostage with a Titan in orbit.

As for the Minmatar the only reason they're even an Empire right now is because of all the aid the Gallente gave them, both with trillions in ISK and military training.

After ive read the lore between the Minmatar vs Amarr and Caldari vs Gal i cant understand why in EVE and espc in faction warfare why the minmatar and caldari are not allys tbh

Currently in FW the amarr and caldari and allys and the minmatar and gal are also allys but the gal seemed to want to enslave the caldari so to speak into the federation and the caldari didnt want that likewise the minmatar fought against the amarr for freedom

Maybe if you hadn't occupied our homeworld we wouldn't need to have taken such drastic measures. Give us back our homeworld, and perhaps one day peace may be realized again.

Your agenda for the Minmatar, sir, is to undermine the Amarr empire and place yourself on top of New Eden's list of super powers. The only agenda here is for the Gallente to fight a proxy war and weaken the only rival who can stop them from forcing our Caldari State back into a Federation they, the Caldari, do not wish to be a part of. Who then next? Will the Federation decide that the Minmatar need to be members of their Federation as well? Will they fight a war of aggression to force their way of life on the Minmatar?

The Gallente are using subterfuge, and proxy wars, to open a path for them to finally take our homes once and for all and place them under Federation jurisdiction. You fear the Amarr, and that is why we must use them to keep your power in check.

If you didnt force the blockade on us then our citizens would not have felt like prisioners on ther own planet thus they wouldnt have lashed out at the Gallente which we allowed to live on our planet

You caused this yourself, you abandonded your citizens, you backed our people into a corner over something trivial

I personally find myself disgusted by the actions of both the Gallente and the Caldari. Of course, it's hard to stay angry at a nation which won my people their freedom, but that doesn't mean I trust the Gallente.