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Van Aewulf
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Posted - 2012.08.31 02:52:00 -
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TL;DR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXWf-l71MY4Thanks Iron Wolf Saber! ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eAIQR01ZLwThanks to kellogs27 for the linkage! Faction Warfare lore: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M0Iqbz5ZpEThank kellogs27 again with the linkage!
I posted this in another thread but thought maybe to make a thread of its own and get people's attention/opinions. It seems most people think that the Gallente are fighting for liberty and freedom when in fact they're fighting to force the Caldari back into the Federation like the American Civil War. Linkage to evewiki included:
Overthrow you? We took our systems and seceded! We have no wish to overthrow you.
I quote:
The first Gallente-Caldari war broke out nearly two centuries ago when the Caldari State seceded from the Gallente Federation. The war lasted nearly 100 years and was more or less fought to a stalemate. Both sides only agreed to a peace treaty after the Gallente made first contact with the Amarr Empire and decided they were likely to be a bigger threat.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Gallente-Caldari_War
Another:
It all started when a Gallente exploration ship happened upon one of the hidden Caldari colonies. When the Federation Senate learned of this they demanded a full-scale investigation into the matter and that all hidden Caldari colonies should immediately been put under Federation authority. This was too much for the Caldari Corporations, which were already grumbling over increasing Federation interference into their affairs. For the Caldari it was a simple question of losing their autonomy forever by caving in or making a stand right then and there. They decided to make a stand.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Early_Days_%28Chronicle%29
The Gallente forced us from our home:
Following the attack on Nouvelle Rouvenor an extreme right-wing government grabbed the power reigns in the Gallente Federation and advocated a harsh response: bombing Caldari Prime and sending in troops to take control of the planet. Those within the Federation believing that peace talks should be initiated instead of an invasion didnGÇÖt dare speak up for fear of being branded cowards or, worse, traitors; the Gallente war machine grinded into gear.
It soon became obvious that it was a question of when, not if, the Gallenteans would take full control of the planet. The newly formed Caldari government, led by the heads of the Corporations, was far from being in full agreement as to what the correct course of action was. This disagreement, which severely hampered the Caldari State in following a coherent strategy, was only settled after the Morning of Reasoning, when the six most militant Corporations jointly ousted the other CEOGÇÖs from power. The Caldari saw that it was impossible to try to fight the much larger Gallente Federation for control of Caldari Prime. Instead, they started devising a plan to evacuate the Caldari population on the planet.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Breakout_%28Chronicle%29
And lastly:
After a while the Caldari agenda became clear - they were willing to sign peace if the Federation would return Caldari Prime and acknowledge the newly formed Caldari state. But the Gallenteans couldnGÇÖt agree to these demands for two reasons: one, they were loath to admit a sovereign state into their midst; close to their own home planet and were unwilling to uproot the sizeable Gallente population on Caldari Prime, and second, the Gallenteans were not alone in the Federation and if they allowed the Caldari to leave the Intakis and Mannars, both of them starting to flex their economical and political muscles, might be tempted to follow, thus throwing the whole society into turmoil. The Gallenteans were forced to regard the Caldari as rebels and renegades and had to try to get them back into the Federation, with good or evil.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_War_Drones_On_%28Chronicle%29
No matter what your ideas may tell you; you and your people are fighting a war of oppression. We have more in common with the Intaki and Mannars than you Gallenteans and your oppressive governments and regimes. You're the evil faction, the Amarr of this war.
Edit: The links don't seem to copy properly but copy and paste them to your address bar and they'll take you to the official EVE lore on the subject matter. You're not freedom fighters, you're oppressors.
Heck why not, this is what we stand for:
Founded on the tenets of patriotism and hard work that carried its ancestors through hardships on an inhospitable homeworld, the Caldari State is today a corporate dictatorship, led by rulers who are determined to see it return to the meritocratic ideals of old. Ruthless and efficient in the boardroom as well as on the battlefield, the Caldari are living emblems of strength, persistence, and dignity.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Caldari
We believe in a society based on advancement of merit, your skill and your discipline. Not social grace and who you know, the cronyism of the Gallente. We're fighting for our freedom men. We're not conquerors, we only wish to receive self-determination. Autonomy, peace among brothers. |
Van Aewulf
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Posted - 2012.08.31 02:58:00 -
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oops I meant to edit original post sorry. |
Van Aewulf
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Oops. The US Revolution was against Britain my friend, the US Civil War was between the Union and the Confederacy where the Union forced the Confederacy back into the Union. Basically, the Federation wants to force the Caldari (read: confederates) back into the Federation (read: union).
I'm not saying it's 100% analogous but it's close.
I'm not sure what you mean by homophobic war though? |
Van Aewulf
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Posted - 2012.08.31 03:22:00 -
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Mo Gallas Gentralde wrote:Edit: Okay.. now I've got the right quote.. >.< Van Aewulf wrote:Oops. The US Revolution was against Britain my friend, the US Civil War was between the Union and the Confederacy where the Union forced the Confederacy back into the Union. Basically, the Federation wants to force the Caldari (read: confederates) back into the Federation (read: union).
I'm not saying it's 100% analogous but it's close.
I'm not sure what you mean by homophobic war though? These kinds of mistakes happen when you're trying to split attention between homework, posting.. and want for sleep. >.<;; double Edit: No wait.. wrong quote.. what am I posting ???.. >>.....<< Have to re-read through the text now.
LOL It's fine, I just want Gallente players to understand what exactly they're doing. They're not freedom fighters. We, the Caldari, declared our independence... and you, the Gallente, are attempting to force us back into the Federation through either good or evil (read: by any means necessary).
We broke off from you like the US from Britain if you prefer to compare to the US revolution, though the US Civil War is more apt because we were technically a part of the Federation and involved in its governance whereas the US colonies had no say in governing therefore the Revolutionary War.
Still not sure what you mean by homophobic war. |
Van Aewulf
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Posted - 2012.08.31 03:30:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Clearly the Caldari are a selfish people, willing to throw the entire Gallente social structure into turmoil for the sake of their precious profits. My brothers and sisters, take no pity on these people, for they have chosen to stand against all that we hold dear. Their corporate claws my have dug deep into our people as they fled from the homes that we worked so hard to provide for them, but we will show them what it means to cross us, to put our great society at risk with their petty squables
My fellow Gallenteans!! Stand up for what is right!! Stand up for true freedom, not a dictatorship that twists information and lies for its own political gains!!! The Caldari state must not be allowed to continue to put our people at risk, they must be stopped at all costs!!
Rest easy tonight my friends, for war is soon at hand!!
Your people oppress us, invade our homes, kill our families. Then have the nerve to call us manipulators! Read the stories for yourselves my good people. Recognize what you are, and leave us to our own space. Our own nationality. You would force us back into your Federation to control us, to extend the influence of Gallente Prime alone. Forever shadowing the Caldari, the Intaki, and the Mannar.
The homes you built for us?! Caldari Prime was our homeworld! HOMEWORLD! You took it from us by force! Decide for yourselves my Gallenteans. Would you fight for a regime who would forcefully capture the homeworld of a nationality who would simply wish to peacefully secede and go our separate ways? Does this sound right to you?! |
Van Aewulf
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Posted - 2012.08.31 03:39:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:You claim that your acts were just but instead of seeking new sysyems, you yook part of ours. All caldari are just thieves looking for a profit. Wait why didn't i choose caldari? (Minus the thief part)
We colonized those systems ourselves and you wish to take them from us. To steal them right from under us.
Read the lore:
Shortly after jump gate technology was jointly discovered by the Gallente and the Caldari a little over five hundred years before the Federation formed, the Caldari corporations had started their own interstellar surveying and colonization, separate from that conducted by the Gallente. It was these colonies, kept as a secret from the Gallenteans, that became the source of friction between the Gallenteans and the Caldari, culminating in the latterGÇÖs defection from the Federation and an ensuing war between the two races.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Early_Days_%28Chronicle%29
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Van Aewulf
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Posted - 2012.08.31 03:46:00 -
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Mo Gallas Gentralde wrote:Van Aewulf wrote:I'm not sure what you mean by homophobic war though? Okay so, basically what this is saying is that two nations developed on entirely different planets. These are entire planets by the way.. and they share population and gene pools on a daily basis... similar to countries in Europe. Being that they are ENTIRE PLANETS one would assume that there would be about 20+ different races amongst each planet before they regained their intestellar technology. (cause lore states they lost technology when the wormhole collapsed I believe).... which I just made a point for myself to go read up on the earth chronicles... http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Earth... joy.. *sigh* When a game gets too much lore, it becomes a major headache to talk about. Anyway... either they have been purging their populations on a regular basis to keep only "one race" originating from each planet, or they're doing something to all the other minorities... oh wait.. I think there were like... Four minorities left on Gallente Prime right? Not to mention that there is an entire planetary void between the planets that can act like a massive enviro-political barrier. Countries on Earth could be decisively separated by something as simple as a river, and live peacefully next to each other.. but here.. hundreds of thousands of miles is "too close"... :/
Unfortunately you're clearly misunderstanding a lot of the lore.
The Intaki and Mannar don't live on Gallente Prime, they have their own homeworlds.
Two separate planets joined in a Federation, like the northern and southern states. They may as well have been two separate planets what with slavery and what not. The south left the union and the north forced the south back into the union. The gallente are doing the same, but they don't even have the moral justification of slavery.
Homophobic means anti-gay friend: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia
Genocide is not something the Caldari partake in. Your Gallente homeworld bombarded and invaded our homeworld committing genocide of millions of our own people to maintain control. Your people murdered ours on our own homeworld.
Jump drive technology was rediscovered jointly by both efforts between the Gallente and the Caldari about 500 years before the start of the Caldari-Gallente war:
Shortly after jump gate technology was jointly discovered by the Gallente and the Caldari a little over five hundred years before the Federation formed, the Caldari corporations had started their own interstellar surveying and colonization, separate from that conducted by the Gallente. It was these colonies, kept as a secret from the Gallenteans, that became the source of friction between the Gallenteans and the Caldari, culminating in the latterGÇÖs defection from the Federation and an ensuing war between the two races. |
Van Aewulf
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Posted - 2012.08.31 03:47:00 -
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Skryd Mewgun wrote:Curse your propaganda Caldari Rebel!
You're under the spell of Gallente propaganda. You commit genocide and then pursue a war against us as the evil corporate entities. My how your propaganda machine works. |
Van Aewulf
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Posted - 2012.08.31 03:53:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Don't listen to their corporate propaganda my friends!! The Caldari are a corrupt and militant people, violent beyond measure and ruthless without compassion. Yes, it is true, the Gallente federation did set up a blockade around Caldari Prime, but this was merely a precaution as peace negotiations were under way. Unable to abide by civilized rule, the Caldari took it upon themselves to engage in acts of gorilla warfare, sabatoging our defenses in a barbaric display of hethanism.
To make matters worse, a large portion of our brothers and sisters were trapped on Caldari prime, at the mercy of these barbaric people.
"The turning point came when Caldari partisans sabotaged the glass dome of the Gallente-inhabited underwater city Nouvelle Rouvenor. More than half a million perished. From then on a lengthy, bloody war between the two races was all but inevitable GÇô the Federation retaliated at once by sending an invasion force down to Caldari Prime and began a systematic orbital bombardment of the planet. "
These people have no morals, they are ruled by coin and coin alone. It is the Gallente that stand for freedom, for democracy, for equality!! Justice shall prevail, the Gallente, shall prevail!!!
Those partisans acted outside the authority of the Caldari authorities (read: radical extremists). Furthermore, your people blockaded our homeworld straight off without any negotiations. You simply deployed the military as a first measure. The Gallentean government were nothing but agitators then, and they are nothing more now. We fight for our freedom, my Caldari brothers:
By the time the Gallente Federation was founded two centuries ago the Caldari Corporations were already well established in Caldari society. Although not nearly as powerful as they are today, they were still preeminent in Caldari economic life.
Shortly after jump gate technology was jointly discovered by the Gallente and the Caldari a little over five hundred years before the Federation formed, the Caldari corporations had started their own interstellar surveying and colonization, separate from that conducted by the Gallente. It was these colonies, kept as a secret from the Gallenteans, that became the source of friction between the Gallenteans and the Caldari, culminating in the latterGÇÖs defection from the Federation and an ensuing war between the two races.
It all started when a Gallente exploration ship happened upon one of the hidden Caldari colonies. When the Federation Senate learned of this they demanded a full-scale investigation into the matter and that all hidden Caldari colonies should immediately been put under Federation authority. This was too much for the Caldari Corporations, which were already grumbling over increasing Federation interference into their affairs. For the Caldari it was a simple question of losing their autonomy forever by caving in or making a stand right then and there. They decided to make a stand.
What made the situation so tense right from the start was the situation on Caldari Prime. Being located in the same solar system as Gallente Prime made the Gallenteans very nervous and, more importantly, a sizeable Gallentean population was living on Caldari Prime. Right after the Caldari defected from the Federation they focused on securing the jump gates leading to their (once) hidden bases, as those bases provided the backbone to the Caldari military infrastructure at that time. At the same time the Gallenteans moved their fleet into orbit around Caldari Prime and started blocking the planet.
For the next few days nothing much happened. The Caldari were content to sit by the jump gates, while the Gallenteans were debating how to best negotiate a peace agreement. But the Caldari on Caldari Prime were restless.They found the Gallente blockade intolerable and soon small-scale guerrilla activities escalated into all out hostilities. In the end the Gallente population on the planet had to pay the price for the FederationGÇÖs indecisiveness.
The turning point came when Caldari partisans sabotaged the glass dome of the Gallente-inhabited underwater city Nouvelle Rouvenor. More than half a million perished. From then on a lengthy, bloody war between the two races was all but inevitable GÇô the Federation retaliated at once by sending an invasion force down to Caldari Prime and began a systematic orbital bombardment of the planet. Soon, the Caldari population had been driven to the mountains and the forests; their resistance getting weaker by the day. The only question was: how would the newly formed Caldari State respond? |
Van Aewulf
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Posted - 2012.08.31 04:14:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:These people have sided with the Amarr, and actively support their vile slave trade. Many Caldari vessels have been seen transporting innocent civilians into Amarr slave pens, despite the States efforts to keep such involvement hidden. The Caldari are no friends of Freedom, they exist only to cause turmoil and despair in the cosmos, right alongside the evil Amarran Empire.
The Caldari should be grateful for our mercy, for our desire to welcome them back into the fold, despite their vast and atrocious crimes against humanity.
Until that day comes however, we will strike fear into their hearts as we march onward, crushing their tiny state beneath our heels. Nothing will stand in the way of true freedom, and we won't allow those militant dogs to corrupt any more innocent lives.
War is at hand my brothers and sisters, steel yourselves and prepare for combat!!!
(<3 race wars ^_^)
We sided with the Amarr because they are the only power that can check your own. We needed an ally who can scare you into an uneasy peace. The Minmatar can't do that, they're too weak and disorganized. We don't support slavery, and it has long been illegal in our own borders.
We fight to separate ourselves from our oppressors! You only allied with the minmatar because it was the logical choice: the enemy of your enemy is your friend.
You would do nothing of the sort, mercy. You would seek to bury us under the rug of history and destroy our culture and legacy. Cultural assimilation is what you support. Your crimes against humanity include bombarding our homeworld from space!
Prepare yourself. The Caldari will not back down in this war of independence!
(<3 race wars ^_^)+1 |
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Van Aewulf
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Posted - 2012.08.31 04:23:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:(This little bit of banter is making me love this game almost more than the gameplay itself >_<)
(LOL I know right, I absolutely love the lore of this game. If you're bored sometime you should really take the time to read all of it. The Caldari make a very compelling case for their independence if you really think about it.) |
Van Aewulf
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Posted - 2012.08.31 04:36:00 -
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Mo Gallas Gentralde wrote: I used the wrong roots of the word. Homo refers to humanity's history, and somehow homophobia, the fear of humans became culturally known as a fear of gay/lesbian behavior... Xenophobia is what I meant to write.
I roughly calculate there being.. 6,000 years between the settling of Caldari/Gallente, and their first contact.
If minorities do not naturally exist on these planets the only explanation can be purging by both parties.
Another point of note is that within 50 years.. they went from faulty space travel to the creation of stargates. Imagine how that would be like on earth... to discover how to use horses, then about 4 years later build cars designed like those of today. Also of note.. the jump drive was developed AFTER they discovered the Intaki and Mannar... in other words they somehow managed commuication between planetary systems with nothing but basic thruster systems.... what?....
Then suddenly, after 300+ years of coexisting peace they decide that their neighbor is untrustworthy and has to have sanctions applied against them... yet again this feels faulty. That would be like the US suddenly placing embargos against Europe for attempting to send missionaries to Africa.. or something like that.
Countries with amicable relations for so long don't tend to go off the handle at one another like the lore says. :/
Indeed, Xenophobic. Sure there were racial minorities on the planets. Caldari have the Deteis and Civire for instance. They still exist and they weren't completely wiped out. They coexist to this day.
The first contact between the Gallente and the Intaki was made in 22794 AD, 327 years before the founding of the Federation. At the time, the Intaki were technologically pre-industrial but socially and culturally advanced. Within a century, they caught up with the Gallente, mastering space travel to settle other nearby regions and holding positions in the Gallente government.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Intaki
Shortly after jump gate technology was jointly discovered by the Gallente and the Caldari a little over five hundred years before the Federation formed, the Caldari corporations had started their own interstellar surveying and colonization, separate from that conducted by the Gallente. It was these colonies, kept as a secret from the Gallenteans, that became the source of friction between the Gallenteans and the Caldari, culminating in the latterGÇÖs defection from the Federation and an ensuing war between the two races.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Early_Days_%28Chronicle%29
Not sure what else to tell ya buddy =\
I'm out for the night guys, it's 1am and I have to work at 8am. I'll seeya later fellas, it's been fun o/ |
Van Aewulf
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Posted - 2012.08.31 11:44:00 -
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Mo Gallas Gentralde wrote:My references of time come from here http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Age_of_ExpansionIt's a timeline that includes highlights for the Gallente and Caldari. Also, as to the "hidden colonies" bit... the only way this could happen is if Gallente was giving Caldari 100% of its trust. Why? Because if they were distrustful of each other even just a tiny bit, they would have spies in the government of the other race. After 300 years of contact such a thing would be trivial for both parties. Not to mention that in space, the void allows one to see public transportation quite clearly.. and if thousands of tons of materials are being transported out of a refueling hub, yet there are no records of the vehicle's cargo at its next "destination" and no reports of overt piracy in a region... that would send red flags everywhere that a structure was being built. Countries always look for these kinds of things due to the fact that the structure could potentially be military in nature. Not only that, but communication signals steadily coming from unauthorized regions of space, and supply lines incoming with no registered point of origin would also start the same flags up, as the new colonies would need trade in order to survive and prosper.
Your government never set any rules that we couldn't have our own colonies though. Your war is a war of aggression, to stamp out what we built ourselves based on MERIT. Not Democratic cronyism. We began colonizing those worlds BEFORE the Federation ever existed! Is anybody reading the text or just making more assumptions?
Shortly after jump gate technology was jointly discovered by the Gallente and the Caldari a little over five hundred years before the Federation formed, the Caldari corporations had started their own interstellar surveying and colonization, separate from that conducted by the Gallente. It was these colonies, kept as a secret from the Gallenteans, that became the source of friction between the Gallenteans and the Caldari, culminating in the latterGÇÖs defection from the Federation and an ensuing war between the two races.
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Van Aewulf
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Posted - 2012.08.31 11:53:00 -
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Billi Gene wrote:
i think you'll find that according to the OP, the Caldari set up planets outside of the society that they claimed to be a part of, presumably to cut corners and rake in the profits.
The Caldari are corporate slaves, and what exactly do corporations do? I'm not talking about non-profit organizations here :P.. cause that is certainly not a Caldari brief.
The Caldari turned their backs on a society when they no longer needed them to provide a safe haven. They set out under cover of darkness and set up home worlds to enslave peoples with their brainwashing propaganda.
The Gallente on the other hand have a history of helping others when in need. Sure like any DEMOCRACY, a political faction can take the reins and steer a bum course, but the Gallente are a DEMOCRACY. And its people stand proud and free.
When you say the Gallente are not freedom fighters, I have only to point you towards millions of Minmatar, freed from the Amarr slavers, at the cost of a continuing war with the Amarr.
TLDR:?
"insert corporate logo here"=Caldari propaganda
Again: we set up planets for our own purposes before we were members of your Federation. When you discovered them, you demanded we relinquish our control of what WE built to your government.
We're not slaves. We build things based on the MERITS of the people working:
Founded on the tenets of patriotism and hard work that carried its ancestors through hardships on an inhospitable homeworld, the Caldari State is today a corporate dictatorship, led by rulers who are determined to see it return to the meritocratic ideals of old. Ruthless and efficient in the boardroom as well as on the battlefield, the Caldari are living emblems of strength, persistence, and dignity.
We only went into a dictatorship after the events of the bombardment of our homeworld and the ensuing civil war that the Gallentean still perpetrate to this day. We live in a merit based society. This is not corporate slavery. Your government operates on governmental cronyism and have nearly as many corporations as we do.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/NPC_Corporations
Our government is run by an Executive Panel of the CEOs of our greatest corporations. They seek only to establish their own self-determination that you're attempting to deny us. |
Van Aewulf
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carl von oppenheimer wrote:Quote:Nouvelle Rouvenor was an underwater city on Caldari Prime largely inhabited by a Gallente population prior to the Gallente-Caldari War. Its dome was sabotaged by Caldari partisans at the start of the war and some 500,000 people were killed. Current status is unknown. This alone would send any nation to frenzy and you wonder why your ass got carpet bombed ? Caldari is nothing but dictatorship built on slave wage labour of a common man, they speak of merits while being a kiss ass still merits as much if not more then in the Gallente. I only pity those who get "fired" from their jobs in a society on planet that consists of entirely corporate owned assets, might as well put a bullet in your head right then and there.
Those people were radical extremists and quite possibly Gallentean agents posing as Caldari to start a war of aggression though I have no evidence of them being agents of the Gallente.
Even if they were Caldari radical extremists, your people blockaded our homeworld and acted as agitators. Your first course of action was to deploy the military against us and keep us from our homes and our families. Some people acted out against your aggression and inappropriately I may add. The official Caldari stance is as follows:
For the next few days nothing much happened. The Caldari were content to sit by the jump gates, while the Gallenteans were debating how to best negotiate a peace agreement.But the Caldari on Caldari Prime were restless. They found the Gallente blockade intolerable and soon small-scale guerrilla activities escalated into all out hostilities. In the end the Gallente population on the planet had to pay the price for the FederationGÇÖs indecisiveness.
Those Caldari acted outside the purview of the authorities by attacking that dome. That's like saying an entire nation is responsible for the acts of a few terrorists... oh w8 |
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Posted - 2012.08.31 12:01:00 -
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Buzzwords wrote:BULLSHIT! your rebellion is nothing more than a childs tantrum upon realizing that yes, the rules do indeed apply to you as well!
you will be spanked, grounded, and 40 years from now you will thanks us for it!
After you've wiped our culture and tradition from the face of the galaxies and forced your imperialistic Gallentean ways onto us. Stamping out all that was Caldari once and for all.
Your made up rules never existed when we made those colonies. We weren't even in the Federation! Then you try to steal them from us, what we rightfully built, and then call us children throwing a tantrum! You show your true colors you Gallente dog! See you on the battlefield! |
Van Aewulf
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Posted - 2012.08.31 12:04:00 -
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Shiro Mokuzan wrote:When I first made my EVE character, I was torn between choosing Caldari or Gallente, and I eventually went with Gallente.
Now, in DUST, I went with Caldari. It's interesting being on both sides with different characters.
Technically we're brothers, and I hope one day you'll fully come to our side and see the imperalistic tendencies of your Federation in the galaxy at large and on the field. (read: become Caldari sympathizer) |
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ONS THAT GUY wrote:Are we LARPING???? Cause at one point through all these comments i swear it was like an all out just Cyber LARP war. damn this is interesting. Keep up the good comments. Damn i just cant wait to kill the Gallente and Get my million SP and ISK
We're totally LARPing :) |
Van Aewulf
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Posted - 2012.08.31 12:08:00 -
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GR1NCH wrote:god ive missed EVE , this entire thread is awesome ! best read ever love it .
LOL glad you enjoyed it. I just hope people understand now that Gallente are not freedom fighters. They're oppressors of the worst kind, stamping out the cultural identity of anyone who doesn't agree with their way of life. The Intaki Syndicate is a prime example of this:
Formed by Intaki exiles from the Gallente Federation during the Caldari-Gallente War, the Syndicate has slowly grown in stature and influence.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Intaki_Syndicate_(NPC_corporation)
Anybody who doesn't agree with Gallente forms of governments and rules are branded rebels and dealt with by the military as such. The Caldari and Intaki are brothers in a way... we're fighting against the same oppression. |
Van Aewulf
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Posted - 2012.08.31 12:12:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:After ive read the lore between the Minmatar vs Amarr and Caldari vs Gal i cant understand why in EVE and espc in faction warfare why the minmatar and caldari are not allys tbh
Currently in FW the amarr and caldari and allys and the minmatar and gal are also allys but the gal seemed to want to enslave the caldari so to speak into the federation and the caldari didnt want that likewise the minmatar fought against the amarr for freedom
The only reason is that we, the Caldari, don't have the blob factor that the Gallente and Amarr do. The Amarrians have an empire large enough to scare the Gallente into leaving us alone and governing ourselves the way we wish. We have more in common with the Minmatar, but the Minmatar need the Gallente Federation to scare the Amarrians into a truce. All out war is prevented due to these alliances.
We need each other's enemy to preserve and secure our own existence. The web is very thick in EVE lore politics. The Minmatar and Caldari are both rebels, but can't preserve their own existence without the alliance of a superpower. |
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Van Aewulf
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Posted - 2012.08.31 12:25:00 -
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I've placed them at the top of the original post. You're correct that is what began the present 'Faction Warfare', but I suppose I'm highlighting the past actions of the Gallente to show that they aren't the freedom fighters that they claim to be.
Thanks for the linkage though, I hadn't seen the first video you linked. |
Van Aewulf
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Posted - 2012.08.31 12:32:00 -
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carl von oppenheimer wrote:You do realise that Caldari have no qualms with slaves as it's good business to have workers that you don't have to pay anything and can easily be replaced by sending them back to Amarr for "training camps" to learn some civility and word of god ?
What we fight against is the oligarchy of the Caldari state not it's people though misguided as they are in their views.
Also blockade was better then the Caldari style which is carpet bombing first and peace talks later; more bombs you drop the more money you make from it after all.
You spew lies and nothing more! Read for yourself, I don't know how much more apparent it could possibly be:
Perhaps uniquely among the people of New Eden, the Caldari have no known history of slavery. While their critics often use the term GÇ£wage slaveGÇ¥ in reference to Caldari workers, in reality, Caldari workers enjoy freedoms that set them apart from actual slaves. While conditions among the working class can be harsh, recent reforms under Tibus Heth have been aimed at easing the burdens of the workers, though the efficacy of these programs is debatable.
I may note that the only reason the working class conditions are so harsh is due to the hardships your Federation brought on our people through a needless and reprehensible war of aggression.
The Caldari have no record of enslaving other races or each other. While they have conquered and killed, slavery seems to be unheard of among the Caldari. There are numerous theories given as to why this is the case; the most widely accepted is that the harsh conditions on Caldari Prime made enslaving others not worth the trouble.
The arrival of the Gallente and the subsequent rise of the corporate culture of the Caldari reinforced this predilection against slavery. It wasn't until contact with the Amarr Empire that the concept of slavery was introduced to Caldari society. The Caldari considered it a curiosity, but as they were locked in a struggle with the Federation, they were unable to contemplate it deeply.
Slavery is a completely alien concept to most Caldari. Despite this, they do not consider it necessarily immoral. Rather, the Caldari view slavery through a very practical lens. While they understand slaves provide ostensibly free labor, they also realize that a slave owner needs to feed, house, and clothe his slaves. Additionally, though slaves can produce items of value, they are unable to purchase anything and thus cannot contribute to a healthy economy.
Therefore, the Caldari view slavery as a misguided notion that does more harm to an economy (and thus a proper society) than good. However, the Caldari also consider the affairs of other nations their own business, as long as it does no direct harm to the State. As a result, the Caldari find no difficulty in being allied with the Amarr Empire and Khanid Kingdom. They may believe those nations would serve as better trading partners should they abolish slavery, but they wouldn't presume to meddle with their society.
References:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Slavery#Caldari_State |
Van Aewulf
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.31 12:41:00 -
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carl von oppenheimer wrote:Also blockade was better then the Caldari style which is carpet bombing first and peace talks later; more bombs you drop the more money you make from it after all.
I needed a seperate post for this one because of just how wrong it is. The Nouvelle Rouvenor attack was carried out by Caldari partisan radicals outside of the purview of the Caldari government, which I may add, barely existed at the time of the terrorist attack. They were radical terrorists operating under their own accord. Your people's military bombed our homeworld on the actions of a few terrorists!!! May I quote again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXWf-l71MY4
Following the attack on Nouvelle Rouvenor an extreme right-wing government grabbed the power reigns in the Gallente Federation and advocated a harsh response: bombing Caldari Prime and sending in troops to take control of the planet.Those within the Federation believing that peace talks should be initiated instead of an invasion didnGÇÖt dare speak up for fear of being branded cowards or, worse, traitors; the Gallente war machine grinded into gear.
It soon became obvious that it was a question of when, not if, the Gallenteans would take full control of the planet. The newly formed Caldari government, led by the heads of the Corporations, was far from being in full agreement as to what the correct course of action was. This disagreement, which severely hampered the Caldari State in following a coherent strategy, was only settled after the Morning of Reasoning, when the six most militant Corporations jointly ousted the other CEOGÇÖs from power. The Caldari saw that it was impossible to try to fight the much larger Gallente Federation for control of Caldari Prime. Instead, they started devising a plan to evacuate the Caldari population on the planet. |
Van Aewulf
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.31 13:55:00 -
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Listen to him if you will, but do not heed the lies of the Federation. They fight to snuff out anyone and anything that does not agree with their way of life. They believe they're the one true government, the one true authority... sounds a lot like the Amarr does it not? Our secession was due to their attempt to seize what we rightfully built before the formation of the Federation. When the Gallenteans found out they might not have full control of everything, they attempted to seize our beloved colonies and blockade our homeworld.
The Gallentean agitators push some of our more extremist radicals to extreme measures. The Caldari government, barely in its infancy, wasn't even allowed the time to perform an investigation. The government was so indecisive that the six megacorporations had to oust the indecisive leadership and take full dictatorial control to get things done. By then, though, it was too late. The Gallenteans had begun orbital bombardment of our homeworld and a full scale invasion. Tovil-Toba sacrificed himself and his crew to buy our brethren enough time to evacuate our homeworld that the Gallentean aggressors took from us. The Gallenteans didn't give us a chance to investigate the terrorism, rather, jumped straight to the genocide of our people.
Our 'evil ways' consist of providing profits to support all people efficiently. To make the most of what few resources we have, the resources our Gallente 'brethren' attempt to take from us and brought us to the point of secession. They instigated this by attempting to take what we rightfully built before the Federation ever existed. It wasn't their business to meddle in our affairs, and it still is not today. We are so against the act of slavery, that we refused help to rescue trapped miners because the rescuers were slaves. We have never condoned slavery in the State, and the act of transporting them or owning them is illegal. Radical elements may have sought to profit from the black market trade of slave, but what faction does not have its criminal elements? May I remind that you that it was the Gallente who practiced slavery in their past. The Caldari have never practiced or participated in the slave trade in our long history. The Gallente cannot say the same.
Finally, you seek to undermine an empire by participating in a civil war to undermine the only power more powerful than you. Does this sound familiar? Your war against us is to expand your own power, and undermining the other superpower only serves to benefit your ultimate goal: to be the ultimate source of authority and power in New Eden. Your fight isn't to help the plight of the Minmatar, it is to secure your place as the premiere superpower of New Eden and nothing more.
You honor the law by not allowing us to conduct our own investigation of the terrorist bombing. You immediately begin bombardment of a planet whose infant government has barely had time to meet much less set up a justice system. Your first gut reaction is to allow a fascist right-wing regime to seize power and pursue genocide against a nearly helpless population. We have fought valiantly against you, and for such a small nation, have resisted your imperial tendencies to assimilate us into your culture. Tovil-Toba sacrificed himself and his men to save millions of innocent civilians that you were pressing genocide against. He flew in against an armada of Federation oppressors and bought our people enough time to escape the genocide. We drove you out of the Caldari border zone.
If you wish to remove the corrupt and wicked from this universe, you need only look at yourselves and your crony government. Caldari, countrymen, prepare yourselves for the time of liberation is soon as at hand. We will rid ourselves of the yoke of Federal tyranny, and perhaps even inspire our Itanki brethren to join us in this fight against the oppressors! We fight not only for our freedom, but for our independence! We shall preserve our progeny and legacy by force! Death to the imperialist Federation! |
Van Aewulf
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.31 16:24:00 -
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Dariuz Krul wrote: Kinda, four factions are fighting an ideological proxy war, in a kind of Roman Coliseum atmosphere under the Umpires known as CONCORD. The one ongoing between the Gallente and the Caldari pits pure corporate capitalism(The Caldari), an open meritocracy against social democracy (The Gallente), a form of covert socialism.
Agreed. The only thing I would add to that is that the Gallente perpetrate a war against the Caldari in an effort to force them back into a social democracy when the Caldari have made it perfectly clear they don't want to be a part of that type of government. The text makes it clear that the Caldari would be satisfied with a peace settlement that includes access to their homeworld and non-interference from Gallente influence on their colonies.
Also, CONCORD is an organization established and funded by the five empires to enforce the agreements between them. In so many words, a not-so-useless UN
CONCORD stands for Consolidated Cooperation and Relations Command. CONCORD was founded over a century ago, not long after the five empires had established contact with each other. Relationships between the five empires were strained right from the start and one of the main purposes of CONCORD was to ease the fragile tension and create a foundation for the empires to work their differences out in a peaceful manner. In this regard, the workings of CONCORD can be said to have been successful, since the empires have kept the peace over the last century. On numerous occasions relationships deteriorated to within an inch of all out war, but through the efforts of CONCORD a compromise solution has always been found.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CONCORD |
Van Aewulf
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.01 15:09:00 -
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La Fortune wrote:Anyway this is ancient history, the more pressing concern right now is the Caldari segregating the entire Gallente population of Caldari Prime and holding them hostage with a Titan in orbit.
As for the Minmatar the only reason they're even an Empire right now is because of all the aid the Gallente gave them, both with trillions in ISK and military training.
Maybe if you hadn't occupied our homeworld we wouldn't need to have taken such drastic measures. Give us back our homeworld, and perhaps one day peace may be realized again.
Your agenda for the Minmatar, sir, is to undermine the Amarr empire and place yourself on top of New Eden's list of super powers. The only agenda here is for the Gallente to fight a proxy war and weaken the only rival who can stop them from forcing our Caldari State back into a Federation they, the Caldari, do not wish to be a part of. Who then next? Will the Federation decide that the Minmatar need to be members of their Federation as well? Will they fight a war of aggression to force their way of life on the Minmatar?
The Gallente are using subterfuge, and proxy wars, to open a path for them to finally take our homes once and for all and place them under Federation jurisdiction. You fear the Amarr, and that is why we must use them to keep your power in check. |
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