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Van Aewulf
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.31 02:52:00 -
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TL;DR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXWf-l71MY4Thanks Iron Wolf Saber! ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eAIQR01ZLwThanks to kellogs27 for the linkage! Faction Warfare lore: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M0Iqbz5ZpEThank kellogs27 again with the linkage!
I posted this in another thread but thought maybe to make a thread of its own and get people's attention/opinions. It seems most people think that the Gallente are fighting for liberty and freedom when in fact they're fighting to force the Caldari back into the Federation like the American Civil War. Linkage to evewiki included:
Overthrow you? We took our systems and seceded! We have no wish to overthrow you.
I quote:
The first Gallente-Caldari war broke out nearly two centuries ago when the Caldari State seceded from the Gallente Federation. The war lasted nearly 100 years and was more or less fought to a stalemate. Both sides only agreed to a peace treaty after the Gallente made first contact with the Amarr Empire and decided they were likely to be a bigger threat.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Gallente-Caldari_War
Another:
It all started when a Gallente exploration ship happened upon one of the hidden Caldari colonies. When the Federation Senate learned of this they demanded a full-scale investigation into the matter and that all hidden Caldari colonies should immediately been put under Federation authority. This was too much for the Caldari Corporations, which were already grumbling over increasing Federation interference into their affairs. For the Caldari it was a simple question of losing their autonomy forever by caving in or making a stand right then and there. They decided to make a stand.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Early_Days_%28Chronicle%29
The Gallente forced us from our home:
Following the attack on Nouvelle Rouvenor an extreme right-wing government grabbed the power reigns in the Gallente Federation and advocated a harsh response: bombing Caldari Prime and sending in troops to take control of the planet. Those within the Federation believing that peace talks should be initiated instead of an invasion didnGÇÖt dare speak up for fear of being branded cowards or, worse, traitors; the Gallente war machine grinded into gear.
It soon became obvious that it was a question of when, not if, the Gallenteans would take full control of the planet. The newly formed Caldari government, led by the heads of the Corporations, was far from being in full agreement as to what the correct course of action was. This disagreement, which severely hampered the Caldari State in following a coherent strategy, was only settled after the Morning of Reasoning, when the six most militant Corporations jointly ousted the other CEOGÇÖs from power. The Caldari saw that it was impossible to try to fight the much larger Gallente Federation for control of Caldari Prime. Instead, they started devising a plan to evacuate the Caldari population on the planet.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Breakout_%28Chronicle%29
And lastly:
After a while the Caldari agenda became clear - they were willing to sign peace if the Federation would return Caldari Prime and acknowledge the newly formed Caldari state. But the Gallenteans couldnGÇÖt agree to these demands for two reasons: one, they were loath to admit a sovereign state into their midst; close to their own home planet and were unwilling to uproot the sizeable Gallente population on Caldari Prime, and second, the Gallenteans were not alone in the Federation and if they allowed the Caldari to leave the Intakis and Mannars, both of them starting to flex their economical and political muscles, might be tempted to follow, thus throwing the whole society into turmoil. The Gallenteans were forced to regard the Caldari as rebels and renegades and had to try to get them back into the Federation, with good or evil.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_War_Drones_On_%28Chronicle%29
No matter what your ideas may tell you; you and your people are fighting a war of oppression. We have more in common with the Intaki and Mannars than you Gallenteans and your oppressive governments and regimes. You're the evil faction, the Amarr of this war.
Edit: The links don't seem to copy properly but copy and paste them to your address bar and they'll take you to the official EVE lore on the subject matter. You're not freedom fighters, you're oppressors.
Heck why not, this is what we stand for:
Founded on the tenets of patriotism and hard work that carried its ancestors through hardships on an inhospitable homeworld, the Caldari State is today a corporate dictatorship, led by rulers who are determined to see it return to the meritocratic ideals of old. Ruthless and efficient in the boardroom as well as on the battlefield, the Caldari are living emblems of strength, persistence, and dignity.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Caldari
We believe in a society based on advancement of merit, your skill and your discipline. Not social grace and who you know, the cronyism of the Gallente. We're fighting for our freedom men. We're not conquerors, we only wish to receive self-determination. Autonomy, peace among brothers. |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.31 02:56:00 -
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I will fight along side you against our evil oppressors! |
Van Aewulf
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.31 02:58:00 -
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oops I meant to edit original post sorry. |
Mo Gallas Gentralde
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.31 03:04:00 -
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How do you compare a homophobic war to the US revolution?... quite clearly the Gallente are homophobic according to the lore.... while the US revolution was because if the US was cut in half it would easily be reclaimed by European countries seeking to discredit the nation as a whole. |
Van Aewulf
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.31 03:07:00 -
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Oops. The US Revolution was against Britain my friend, the US Civil War was between the Union and the Confederacy where the Union forced the Confederacy back into the Union. Basically, the Federation wants to force the Caldari (read: confederates) back into the Federation (read: union).
I'm not saying it's 100% analogous but it's close.
I'm not sure what you mean by homophobic war though? |
Mo Gallas Gentralde
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.31 03:11:00 -
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Edit: Okay.. now I've got the right quote.. >.<
Van Aewulf wrote:Oops. The US Revolution was against Britain my friend, the US Civil War was between the Union and the Confederacy where the Union forced the Confederacy back into the Union. Basically, the Federation wants to force the Caldari (read: confederates) back into the Federation (read: union).
I'm not saying it's 100% analogous but it's close.
I'm not sure what you mean by homophobic war though?
These kinds of mistakes happen when you're trying to split attention between homework, posting.. and want for sleep. >.<;;
double Edit: No wait.. wrong quote.. what am I posting ???.. >>.....<< Have to re-read through the text now. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2012.08.31 03:20:00 -
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Clearly the Caldari are a selfish people, willing to throw the entire Gallente social structure into turmoil for the sake of their precious profits. My brothers and sisters, take no pity on these people, for they have chosen to stand against all that we hold dear. Their corporate claws my have dug deep into our people as they fled from the homes that we worked so hard to provide for them, but we will show them what it means to cross us, to put our great society at risk with their petty squables
My fellow Gallenteans!! Stand up for what is right!! Stand up for true freedom, not a dictatorship that twists information and lies for its own political gains!!! The Caldari state must not be allowed to continue to put our people at risk, they must be stopped at all costs!!
Rest easy tonight my friends, for war is soon at hand!! |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.08.31 03:21:00 -
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YOU FORGOT VIDEO!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXWf-l71MY4 |
Van Aewulf
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.31 03:22:00 -
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Mo Gallas Gentralde wrote:Edit: Okay.. now I've got the right quote.. >.< Van Aewulf wrote:Oops. The US Revolution was against Britain my friend, the US Civil War was between the Union and the Confederacy where the Union forced the Confederacy back into the Union. Basically, the Federation wants to force the Caldari (read: confederates) back into the Federation (read: union).
I'm not saying it's 100% analogous but it's close.
I'm not sure what you mean by homophobic war though? These kinds of mistakes happen when you're trying to split attention between homework, posting.. and want for sleep. >.<;; double Edit: No wait.. wrong quote.. what am I posting ???.. >>.....<< Have to re-read through the text now.
LOL It's fine, I just want Gallente players to understand what exactly they're doing. They're not freedom fighters. We, the Caldari, declared our independence... and you, the Gallente, are attempting to force us back into the Federation through either good or evil (read: by any means necessary).
We broke off from you like the US from Britain if you prefer to compare to the US revolution, though the US Civil War is more apt because we were technically a part of the Federation and involved in its governance whereas the US colonies had no say in governing therefore the Revolutionary War.
Still not sure what you mean by homophobic war. |
Van Aewulf
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.31 03:30:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Clearly the Caldari are a selfish people, willing to throw the entire Gallente social structure into turmoil for the sake of their precious profits. My brothers and sisters, take no pity on these people, for they have chosen to stand against all that we hold dear. Their corporate claws my have dug deep into our people as they fled from the homes that we worked so hard to provide for them, but we will show them what it means to cross us, to put our great society at risk with their petty squables
My fellow Gallenteans!! Stand up for what is right!! Stand up for true freedom, not a dictatorship that twists information and lies for its own political gains!!! The Caldari state must not be allowed to continue to put our people at risk, they must be stopped at all costs!!
Rest easy tonight my friends, for war is soon at hand!!
Your people oppress us, invade our homes, kill our families. Then have the nerve to call us manipulators! Read the stories for yourselves my good people. Recognize what you are, and leave us to our own space. Our own nationality. You would force us back into your Federation to control us, to extend the influence of Gallente Prime alone. Forever shadowing the Caldari, the Intaki, and the Mannar.
The homes you built for us?! Caldari Prime was our homeworld! HOMEWORLD! You took it from us by force! Decide for yourselves my Gallenteans. Would you fight for a regime who would forcefully capture the homeworld of a nationality who would simply wish to peacefully secede and go our separate ways? Does this sound right to you?! |
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STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.31 03:35:00 -
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You claim that your acts were just but instead of seeking new sysyems, you yook part of ours. All caldari are just thieves looking for a profit. Wait why didn't i choose caldari? (Minus the thief part) |
Van Aewulf
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.31 03:39:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:You claim that your acts were just but instead of seeking new sysyems, you yook part of ours. All caldari are just thieves looking for a profit. Wait why didn't i choose caldari? (Minus the thief part)
We colonized those systems ourselves and you wish to take them from us. To steal them right from under us.
Read the lore:
Shortly after jump gate technology was jointly discovered by the Gallente and the Caldari a little over five hundred years before the Federation formed, the Caldari corporations had started their own interstellar surveying and colonization, separate from that conducted by the Gallente. It was these colonies, kept as a secret from the Gallenteans, that became the source of friction between the Gallenteans and the Caldari, culminating in the latterGÇÖs defection from the Federation and an ensuing war between the two races.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Early_Days_%28Chronicle%29
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Skryd Mewgun
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.31 03:39:00 -
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Curse your propaganda Caldari Rebel! |
Mo Gallas Gentralde
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.31 03:40:00 -
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Van Aewulf wrote:I'm not sure what you mean by homophobic war though?
Okay so, basically what this is saying is that two nations developed on entirely different planets. These are entire planets by the way.. and they share population and gene pools on a daily basis... similar to countries in Europe.
Being that they are ENTIRE PLANETS one would assume that there would be about 20+ different races amongst each planet before they regained their intestellar technology. (cause lore states they lost technology when the wormhole collapsed I believe).... which I just made a point for myself to go read up on the earth chronicles... http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Earth
... joy.. *sigh*
When a game gets too much lore, it becomes a major headache to talk about.
Anyway... either they have been purging their populations on a regular basis to keep only "one race" originating from each planet, or they're doing something to all the other minorities... oh wait.. I think there were like... Four minorities left on Gallente Prime right?
Not to mention that there is an entire planetary void between the planets that can act like a massive enviro-political barrier. Countries on Earth could be decisively separated by something as simple as a river, and live peacefully next to each other.. but here.. hundreds of thousands of miles is "too close"... :/
Edit: Thousands of years have passed since the closing of the EVE gate, this would give plenty of time for divergant races to arise. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2012.08.31 03:44:00 -
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Don't listen to their corporate propaganda my friends!! The Caldari are a corrupt and militant people, violent beyond measure and ruthless without compassion. Yes, it is true, the Gallente federation did set up a blockade around Caldari Prime, but this was merely a precaution as peace negotiations were under way. Unable to abide by civilized rule, the Caldari took it upon themselves to engage in acts of gorilla warfare, sabatoging our defenses in a barbaric display of hethanism.
To make matters worse, a large portion of our brothers and sisters were trapped on Caldari prime, at the mercy of these barbaric people.
"The turning point came when Caldari partisans sabotaged the glass dome of the Gallente-inhabited underwater city Nouvelle Rouvenor. More than half a million perished. From then on a lengthy, bloody war between the two races was all but inevitable GÇô the Federation retaliated at once by sending an invasion force down to Caldari Prime and began a systematic orbital bombardment of the planet. "
These people have no morals, they are ruled by coin and coin alone. It is the Gallente that stand for freedom, for democracy, for equality!! Justice shall prevail, the Gallente, shall prevail!!! |
Van Aewulf
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.31 03:46:00 -
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Mo Gallas Gentralde wrote:Van Aewulf wrote:I'm not sure what you mean by homophobic war though? Okay so, basically what this is saying is that two nations developed on entirely different planets. These are entire planets by the way.. and they share population and gene pools on a daily basis... similar to countries in Europe. Being that they are ENTIRE PLANETS one would assume that there would be about 20+ different races amongst each planet before they regained their intestellar technology. (cause lore states they lost technology when the wormhole collapsed I believe).... which I just made a point for myself to go read up on the earth chronicles... http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Earth... joy.. *sigh* When a game gets too much lore, it becomes a major headache to talk about. Anyway... either they have been purging their populations on a regular basis to keep only "one race" originating from each planet, or they're doing something to all the other minorities... oh wait.. I think there were like... Four minorities left on Gallente Prime right? Not to mention that there is an entire planetary void between the planets that can act like a massive enviro-political barrier. Countries on Earth could be decisively separated by something as simple as a river, and live peacefully next to each other.. but here.. hundreds of thousands of miles is "too close"... :/
Unfortunately you're clearly misunderstanding a lot of the lore.
The Intaki and Mannar don't live on Gallente Prime, they have their own homeworlds.
Two separate planets joined in a Federation, like the northern and southern states. They may as well have been two separate planets what with slavery and what not. The south left the union and the north forced the south back into the union. The gallente are doing the same, but they don't even have the moral justification of slavery.
Homophobic means anti-gay friend: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia
Genocide is not something the Caldari partake in. Your Gallente homeworld bombarded and invaded our homeworld committing genocide of millions of our own people to maintain control. Your people murdered ours on our own homeworld.
Jump drive technology was rediscovered jointly by both efforts between the Gallente and the Caldari about 500 years before the start of the Caldari-Gallente war:
Shortly after jump gate technology was jointly discovered by the Gallente and the Caldari a little over five hundred years before the Federation formed, the Caldari corporations had started their own interstellar surveying and colonization, separate from that conducted by the Gallente. It was these colonies, kept as a secret from the Gallenteans, that became the source of friction between the Gallenteans and the Caldari, culminating in the latterGÇÖs defection from the Federation and an ensuing war between the two races. |
Van Aewulf
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.31 03:47:00 -
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Skryd Mewgun wrote:Curse your propaganda Caldari Rebel!
You're under the spell of Gallente propaganda. You commit genocide and then pursue a war against us as the evil corporate entities. My how your propaganda machine works. |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.31 03:51:00 -
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Van Aewulf wrote:Mo Gallas Gentralde wrote:Van Aewulf wrote:I'm not sure what you mean by homophobic war though? Okay so, basically what this is saying is that two nations developed on entirely different planets. These are entire planets by the way.. and they share population and gene pools on a daily basis... similar to countries in Europe. Being that they are ENTIRE PLANETS one would assume that there would be about 20+ different races amongst each planet before they regained their intestellar technology. (cause lore states they lost technology when the wormhole collapsed I believe).... which I just made a point for myself to go read up on the earth chronicles... http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Earth... joy.. *sigh* When a game gets too much lore, it becomes a major headache to talk about. Anyway... either they have been purging their populations on a regular basis to keep only "one race" originating from each planet, or they're doing something to all the other minorities... oh wait.. I think there were like... Four minorities left on Gallente Prime right? Not to mention that there is an entire planetary void between the planets that can act like a massive enviro-political barrier. Countries on Earth could be decisively separated by something as simple as a river, and live peacefully next to each other.. but here.. hundreds of thousands of miles is "too close"... :/ : Unfortunately you're clearly misunderstanding a lot of the lore. The Intaki and Mannar don't live on Gallente Prime, they have their own homeworlds. Two separate planets joined in a Federation, like the northern and southern states. They may as well have been two separate planets what with slavery and what not. The south left the union and the north forced the south back into the union. The gallente are doing the same, but they don't even have the moral justification of slavery. Homophobic means anti-gay friend: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomophobiaGenocide is not something the Caldari partake in. Your Gallente homeworld bombarded and invaded our homeworld committing genocide of millions of our own people to maintain control. Your people murdered ours on our own homeworld. Jump drive technology was rediscovered jointly by both efforts between the Gallente and the Caldari about 500 years before the start of the Caldari-Gallente war: Shortly after jump gate technology was jointly discovered by the Gallente and the Caldari a little over five hundred years before the Federation formed, the Caldari corporations had started their own interstellar surveying and colonization, separate from that conducted by the Gallente. It was these colonies, kept as a secret from the Gallenteans, that became the source of friction between the Gallenteans and the Caldari, culminating in the latterGÇÖs defection from the Federation and an ensuing war between the two races. All we did was blockade your home world because you hid your findings that were found through something we made together. We deserved to know about the settlements you kept secret because without us you would have never found it.
I did read about your kind killing about half a million civilians |
Van Aewulf
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.31 03:53:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Don't listen to their corporate propaganda my friends!! The Caldari are a corrupt and militant people, violent beyond measure and ruthless without compassion. Yes, it is true, the Gallente federation did set up a blockade around Caldari Prime, but this was merely a precaution as peace negotiations were under way. Unable to abide by civilized rule, the Caldari took it upon themselves to engage in acts of gorilla warfare, sabatoging our defenses in a barbaric display of hethanism.
To make matters worse, a large portion of our brothers and sisters were trapped on Caldari prime, at the mercy of these barbaric people.
"The turning point came when Caldari partisans sabotaged the glass dome of the Gallente-inhabited underwater city Nouvelle Rouvenor. More than half a million perished. From then on a lengthy, bloody war between the two races was all but inevitable GÇô the Federation retaliated at once by sending an invasion force down to Caldari Prime and began a systematic orbital bombardment of the planet. "
These people have no morals, they are ruled by coin and coin alone. It is the Gallente that stand for freedom, for democracy, for equality!! Justice shall prevail, the Gallente, shall prevail!!!
Those partisans acted outside the authority of the Caldari authorities (read: radical extremists). Furthermore, your people blockaded our homeworld straight off without any negotiations. You simply deployed the military as a first measure. The Gallentean government were nothing but agitators then, and they are nothing more now. We fight for our freedom, my Caldari brothers:
By the time the Gallente Federation was founded two centuries ago the Caldari Corporations were already well established in Caldari society. Although not nearly as powerful as they are today, they were still preeminent in Caldari economic life.
Shortly after jump gate technology was jointly discovered by the Gallente and the Caldari a little over five hundred years before the Federation formed, the Caldari corporations had started their own interstellar surveying and colonization, separate from that conducted by the Gallente. It was these colonies, kept as a secret from the Gallenteans, that became the source of friction between the Gallenteans and the Caldari, culminating in the latterGÇÖs defection from the Federation and an ensuing war between the two races.
It all started when a Gallente exploration ship happened upon one of the hidden Caldari colonies. When the Federation Senate learned of this they demanded a full-scale investigation into the matter and that all hidden Caldari colonies should immediately been put under Federation authority. This was too much for the Caldari Corporations, which were already grumbling over increasing Federation interference into their affairs. For the Caldari it was a simple question of losing their autonomy forever by caving in or making a stand right then and there. They decided to make a stand.
What made the situation so tense right from the start was the situation on Caldari Prime. Being located in the same solar system as Gallente Prime made the Gallenteans very nervous and, more importantly, a sizeable Gallentean population was living on Caldari Prime. Right after the Caldari defected from the Federation they focused on securing the jump gates leading to their (once) hidden bases, as those bases provided the backbone to the Caldari military infrastructure at that time. At the same time the Gallenteans moved their fleet into orbit around Caldari Prime and started blocking the planet.
For the next few days nothing much happened. The Caldari were content to sit by the jump gates, while the Gallenteans were debating how to best negotiate a peace agreement. But the Caldari on Caldari Prime were restless.They found the Gallente blockade intolerable and soon small-scale guerrilla activities escalated into all out hostilities. In the end the Gallente population on the planet had to pay the price for the FederationGÇÖs indecisiveness.
The turning point came when Caldari partisans sabotaged the glass dome of the Gallente-inhabited underwater city Nouvelle Rouvenor. More than half a million perished. From then on a lengthy, bloody war between the two races was all but inevitable GÇô the Federation retaliated at once by sending an invasion force down to Caldari Prime and began a systematic orbital bombardment of the planet. Soon, the Caldari population had been driven to the mountains and the forests; their resistance getting weaker by the day. The only question was: how would the newly formed Caldari State respond? |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1903
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Posted - 2012.08.31 04:04:00 -
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These people have sided with the Amarr, and actively support their vile slave trade. Many Caldari vessels have been seen transporting innocent civilians into Amarr slave pens, despite the States efforts to keep such involvement hidden. The Caldari are no friends of Freedom, they exist only to cause turmoil and despair in the cosmos, right alongside the evil Amarran Empire.
The Caldari should be grateful for our mercy, for our desire to welcome them back into the fold, despite their vast and atrocious crimes against humanity.
Until that day comes however, we will strike fear into their hearts as we march onward, crushing their tiny state beneath our heels. Nothing will stand in the way of true freedom, and we won't allow those militant dogs to corrupt any more innocent lives.
War is at hand my brothers and sisters, steel yourselves and prepare for combat!!!
(<3 race wars ^_^) |
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Van Aewulf
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2012.08.31 04:14:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:These people have sided with the Amarr, and actively support their vile slave trade. Many Caldari vessels have been seen transporting innocent civilians into Amarr slave pens, despite the States efforts to keep such involvement hidden. The Caldari are no friends of Freedom, they exist only to cause turmoil and despair in the cosmos, right alongside the evil Amarran Empire.
The Caldari should be grateful for our mercy, for our desire to welcome them back into the fold, despite their vast and atrocious crimes against humanity.
Until that day comes however, we will strike fear into their hearts as we march onward, crushing their tiny state beneath our heels. Nothing will stand in the way of true freedom, and we won't allow those militant dogs to corrupt any more innocent lives.
War is at hand my brothers and sisters, steel yourselves and prepare for combat!!!
(<3 race wars ^_^)
We sided with the Amarr because they are the only power that can check your own. We needed an ally who can scare you into an uneasy peace. The Minmatar can't do that, they're too weak and disorganized. We don't support slavery, and it has long been illegal in our own borders.
We fight to separate ourselves from our oppressors! You only allied with the minmatar because it was the logical choice: the enemy of your enemy is your friend.
You would do nothing of the sort, mercy. You would seek to bury us under the rug of history and destroy our culture and legacy. Cultural assimilation is what you support. Your crimes against humanity include bombarding our homeworld from space!
Prepare yourself. The Caldari will not back down in this war of independence!
(<3 race wars ^_^)+1 |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1903
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Posted - 2012.08.31 04:16:00 -
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(This little bit of banter is making me love this game almost more than the gameplay itself >_<) |
Van Aewulf
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.31 04:23:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:(This little bit of banter is making me love this game almost more than the gameplay itself >_<)
(LOL I know right, I absolutely love the lore of this game. If you're bored sometime you should really take the time to read all of it. The Caldari make a very compelling case for their independence if you really think about it.) |
Mo Gallas Gentralde
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
178
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Posted - 2012.08.31 04:30:00 -
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Van Aewulf wrote:Unfortunately you're clearly misunderstanding a lot of the lore. The Intaki and Mannar don't live on Gallente Prime, they have their own homeworlds. Two separate planets joined in a Federation, like the northern and southern states. They may as well have been two separate planets what with slavery and what not. The south left the union and the north forced the south back into the union. The gallente are doing the same, but they don't even have the moral justification of slavery. Homophobic means anti-gay friend: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomophobiaGenocide is not something the Caldari partake in. Your Gallente homeworld bombarded and invaded our homeworld committing genocide of millions of our own people to maintain control. Your people murdered ours on our own homeworld. I used the wrong roots of the word. Homo refers to humanity's history, and somehow homophobia, the fear of humans became culturally known as a fear of gay/lesbian behavior... Xenophobia is what I meant to write.
I roughly calculate there being.. 6,000 years between the settling of Caldari/Gallente, and their first contact.
If minorities do not naturally exist on these planets the only explanation can be purging by both parties.
Another point of note is that within 50 years.. they went from faulty space travel to the creation of stargates. Imagine how that would be like on earth... to discover how to use horses, then about 4 years later build cars designed like those of today. Also of note.. the jump drive was developed AFTER they discovered the Intaki and Mannar... in other words they somehow managed commuication between planetary systems with nothing but basic thruster systems.... what?....Van Aewulf wrote: Jump drive technology was rediscovered jointly by both efforts between the Gallente and the Caldari about 500 years before the start of the Caldari-Gallente war:
Shortly after jump gate technology was jointly discovered by the Gallente and the Caldari a little over five hundred years before the Federation formed, the Caldari corporations had started their own interstellar surveying and colonization, separate from that conducted by the Gallente. It was these colonies, kept as a secret from the Gallenteans, that became the source of friction between the Gallenteans and the Caldari, culminating in the latterGÇÖs defection from the Federation and an ensuing war between the two races.
Then suddenly, after 300+ years of coexisting peace they decide that their neighbor is untrustworthy and has to have sanctions applied against them... yet again this feels faulty. That would be like the US suddenly placing embargos against Europe for attempting to send missionaries to Africa.. or something like that. Countries with amicable relations for so long don't tend to go off the handle at one another like the lore says. :/ |
Van Aewulf
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Mo Gallas Gentralde wrote: I used the wrong roots of the word. Homo refers to humanity's history, and somehow homophobia, the fear of humans became culturally known as a fear of gay/lesbian behavior... Xenophobia is what I meant to write.
I roughly calculate there being.. 6,000 years between the settling of Caldari/Gallente, and their first contact.
If minorities do not naturally exist on these planets the only explanation can be purging by both parties.
Another point of note is that within 50 years.. they went from faulty space travel to the creation of stargates. Imagine how that would be like on earth... to discover how to use horses, then about 4 years later build cars designed like those of today. Also of note.. the jump drive was developed AFTER they discovered the Intaki and Mannar... in other words they somehow managed commuication between planetary systems with nothing but basic thruster systems.... what?....
Then suddenly, after 300+ years of coexisting peace they decide that their neighbor is untrustworthy and has to have sanctions applied against them... yet again this feels faulty. That would be like the US suddenly placing embargos against Europe for attempting to send missionaries to Africa.. or something like that. Countries with amicable relations for so long don't tend to go off the handle at one another like the lore says. :/
Indeed, Xenophobic. Sure there were racial minorities on the planets. Caldari have the Deteis and Civire for instance. They still exist and they weren't completely wiped out. They coexist to this day.
The first contact between the Gallente and the Intaki was made in 22794 AD, 327 years before the founding of the Federation. At the time, the Intaki were technologically pre-industrial but socially and culturally advanced. Within a century, they caught up with the Gallente, mastering space travel to settle other nearby regions and holding positions in the Gallente government.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Intaki
Shortly after jump gate technology was jointly discovered by the Gallente and the Caldari a little over five hundred years before the Federation formed, the Caldari corporations had started their own interstellar surveying and colonization, separate from that conducted by the Gallente. It was these colonies, kept as a secret from the Gallenteans, that became the source of friction between the Gallenteans and the Caldari, culminating in the latterGÇÖs defection from the Federation and an ensuing war between the two races.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Early_Days_%28Chronicle%29
Not sure what else to tell ya buddy =\
I'm out for the night guys, it's 1am and I have to work at 8am. I'll seeya later fellas, it's been fun o/ |
Mo Gallas Gentralde
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.31 04:58:00 -
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My references of time come from here http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Age_of_Expansion It's a timeline that includes highlights for the Gallente and Caldari.
Also, as to the "hidden colonies" bit... the only way this could happen is if Gallente was giving Caldari 100% of its trust. Why? Because if they were distrustful of each other even just a tiny bit, they would have spies in the government of the other race. After 300 years of contact such a thing would be trivial for both parties.
Not to mention that in space, the void allows one to see public transportation quite clearly.. and if thousands of tons of materials are being transported out of a refueling hub, yet there are no records of the vehicle's cargo at its next "destination" and no reports of overt piracy in a region... that would send red flags everywhere that a structure was being built. Countries always look for these kinds of things due to the fact that the structure could potentially be military in nature. Not only that, but communication signals steadily coming from unauthorized regions of space, and supply lines incoming with no registered point of origin would also start the same flags up, as the new colonies would need trade in order to survive and prosper. |
Billi Gene
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
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Van Aewulf wrote:Mo Gallas Gentralde wrote:Edit: Okay.. now I've got the right quote.. >.< Van Aewulf wrote:Oops. The US Revolution was against Britain my friend, the US Civil War was between the Union and the Confederacy where the Union forced the Confederacy back into the Union. Basically, the Federation wants to force the Caldari (read: confederates) back into the Federation (read: union).
I'm not saying it's 100% analogous but it's close.
I'm not sure what you mean by homophobic war though? These kinds of mistakes happen when you're trying to split attention between homework, posting.. and want for sleep. >.<;; double Edit: No wait.. wrong quote.. what am I posting ???.. >>.....<< Have to re-read through the text now. LOL It's fine, I just want Gallente players to understand what exactly they're doing. They're not freedom fighters. We, the Caldari, declared our independence... and you, the Gallente, are attempting to force us back into the Federation through either good or evil (read: by any means necessary). We broke off from you like the US from Britain if you prefer to compare to the US revolution, though the US Civil War is more apt because we were technically a part of the Federation and involved in its governance whereas the US colonies had no say in governing therefore the Revolutionary War. Still not sure what you mean by homophobic war.
i think you'll find that according to the OP, the Caldari set up planets outside of the society that they claimed to be a part of, presumably to cut corners and rake in the profits.
The Caldari are corporate slaves, and what exactly do corporations do? I'm not talking about non-profit organizations here :P.. cause that is certainly not a Caldari brief.
The Caldari turned their backs on a society when they no longer needed them to provide a safe haven. They set out under cover of darkness and set up home worlds to enslave peoples with their brainwashing propaganda.
The Gallente on the other hand have a history of helping others when in need. Sure like any DEMOCRACY, a political faction can take the reins and steer a bum course, but the Gallente are a DEMOCRACY. And its people stand proud and free.
When you say the Gallente are not freedom fighters, I have only to point you towards millions of Minmatar, freed from the Amarr slavers, at the cost of a continuing war with the Amarr.
TLDR:? "insert corporate logo here"=Caldari propaganda |
Shiro Mokuzan
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Posted - 2012.08.31 05:31:00 -
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When I first made my EVE character, I was torn between choosing Caldari or Gallente, and I eventually went with Gallente.
Now, in DUST, I went with Caldari. It's interesting being on both sides with different characters. |
Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.08.31 05:42:00 -
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BULLSHIT! your rebellion is nothing more than a childs tantrum upon realizing that yes, the rules do indeed apply to you as well!
you will be spanked, grounded, and 40 years from now you will thanks us for it! |
ONS THAT GUY
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.31 07:16:00 -
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Are we LARPING???? Cause at one point through all these comments i swear it was like an all out just Cyber LARP war. damn this is interesting. Keep up the good comments. Damn i just cant wait to kill the Gallente and Get my million SP and ISK |
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