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carl von oppenheimer Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 158	Posted - 2012.08.31 08:39:00 - [31] - Quote Quote: Nouvelle Rouvenor was an underwater city on Caldari Prime largely inhabited by a Gallente population prior to the Gallente-Caldari War. Its dome was sabotaged by Caldari partisans at the start of the war and some 500,000 people were killed. Current status is unknown. This alone would send any nation to frenzy and you wonder why your ass got carpet bombed ? Caldari is nothing but dictatorship built on slave wage labour of a common man, they speak of merits while being a kiss ass still merits as much if not more then in the Gallente. I only pity those who get "fired" from their jobs in a society on planet that consists of entirely corporate owned assets, might as well put a bullet in your head right then and there.
GR1NCH Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 199	Posted - 2012.08.31 09:00:00 - [32] - Quote god ive missed EVE , this entire thread is awesome ! best read ever love it .
Van Aewulf Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 95	Posted - 2012.08.31 11:44:00 - [33] - Quote Mo Gallas Gentralde wrote: My references of time come from here http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Age_of_Expansion It's a timeline that includes highlights for the Gallente and Caldari. Also, as to the "hidden colonies" bit... the only way this could happen is if Gallente was giving Caldari 100% of its trust. Why? Because if they were distrustful of each other even just a tiny bit, they would have spies in the government of the other race. After 300 years of contact such a thing would be trivial for both parties. Not to mention that in space, the void allows one to see public transportation quite clearly.. and if thousands of tons of materials are being transported out of a refueling hub, yet there are no records of the vehicle's cargo at its next "destination" and no reports of overt piracy in a region... that would send red flags everywhere that a structure was being built. Countries always look for these kinds of things due to the fact that the structure could potentially be military in nature. Not only that, but communication signals steadily coming from unauthorized regions of space, and supply lines incoming with no registered point of origin would also start the same flags up, as the new colonies would need trade in order to survive and prosper. Your government never set any rules that we couldn't have our own colonies though. Your war is a war of aggression, to stamp out what we built ourselves based on MERIT. Not Democratic cronyism. We began colonizing those worlds BEFORE the Federation ever existed! Is anybody reading the text or just making more assumptions? Shortly after jump gate technology was jointly discovered by the Gallente and the Caldari a little over five hundred years before the Federation formed, the Caldari corporations had started their own interstellar surveying and colonization, separate from that conducted by the Gallente. It was these colonies, kept as a secret from the Gallenteans, that became the source of friction between the Gallenteans and the Caldari, culminating in the latterGÇÖs defection from the Federation and an ensuing war between the two races.
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.08.31 11:45:00 - [34] - Quote After ive read the lore between the Minmatar vs Amarr and Caldari vs Gal i cant understand why in EVE and espc in faction warfare why the minmatar and caldari are not allys tbh Currently in FW the amarr and caldari and allys and the minmatar and gal are also allys but the gal seemed to want to enslave the caldari so to speak into the federation and the caldari didnt want that likewise the minmatar fought against the amarr for freedom
Van Aewulf Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 95	Posted - 2012.08.31 11:53:00 - [35] - Quote Billi Gene wrote: i think you'll find that according to the OP, the Caldari set up planets outside of the society that they claimed to be a part of, presumably to cut corners and rake in the profits. The Caldari are corporate slaves, and what exactly do corporations do? I'm not talking about non-profit organizations here :P.. cause that is certainly not a Caldari brief. The Caldari turned their backs on a society when they no longer needed them to provide a safe haven. They set out under cover of darkness and set up home worlds to enslave peoples with their brainwashing propaganda. The Gallente on the other hand have a history of helping others when in need. Sure like any DEMOCRACY, a political faction can take the reins and steer a bum course, but the Gallente are a DEMOCRACY. And its people stand proud and free. When you say the Gallente are not freedom fighters, I have only to point you towards millions of Minmatar, freed from the Amarr slavers, at the cost of a continuing war with the Amarr. TLDR:? "insert corporate logo here"=Caldari propaganda Again: we set up planets for our own purposes before we were members of your Federation. When you discovered them, you demanded we relinquish our control of what WE built to your government. We're not slaves. We build things based on the MERITS of the people working: Founded on the tenets of patriotism and hard work that carried its ancestors through hardships on an inhospitable homeworld, the Caldari State is today a corporate dictatorship, led by rulers who are determined to see it return to the meritocratic ideals of old. Ruthless and efficient in the boardroom as well as on the battlefield, the Caldari are living emblems of strength, persistence, and dignity. We only went into a dictatorship after the events of the bombardment of our homeworld and the ensuing civil war that the Gallentean still perpetrate to this day. We live in a merit based society. This is not corporate slavery. Your government operates on governmental cronyism and have nearly as many corporations as we do. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/NPC_Corporations Our government is run by an Executive Panel of the CEOs of our greatest corporations. They seek only to establish their own self-determination that you're attempting to deny us.
Van Aewulf Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 95	Posted - 2012.08.31 11:58:00 - [36] - Quote carl von oppenheimer wrote: Quote: Nouvelle Rouvenor was an underwater city on Caldari Prime largely inhabited by a Gallente population prior to the Gallente-Caldari War. Its dome was sabotaged by Caldari partisans at the start of the war and some 500,000 people were killed. Current status is unknown. This alone would send any nation to frenzy and you wonder why your ass got carpet bombed ? Caldari is nothing but dictatorship built on slave wage labour of a common man, they speak of merits while being a kiss ass still merits as much if not more then in the Gallente. I only pity those who get "fired" from their jobs in a society on planet that consists of entirely corporate owned assets, might as well put a bullet in your head right then and there. Those people were radical extremists and quite possibly Gallentean agents posing as Caldari to start a war of aggression though I have no evidence of them being agents of the Gallente. Even if they were Caldari radical extremists, your people blockaded our homeworld and acted as agitators. Your first course of action was to deploy the military against us and keep us from our homes and our families. Some people acted out against your aggression and inappropriately I may add. The official Caldari stance is as follows: For the next few days nothing much happened. The Caldari were content to sit by the jump gates, while the Gallenteans were debating how to best negotiate a peace agreement.But the Caldari on Caldari Prime were restless. They found the Gallente blockade intolerable and soon small-scale guerrilla activities escalated into all out hostilities. In the end the Gallente population on the planet had to pay the price for the FederationGÇÖs indecisiveness. Those Caldari acted outside the purview of the authorities by attacking that dome. That's like saying an entire nation is responsible for the acts of a few terrorists... oh w8
Van Aewulf Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 95	Posted - 2012.08.31 12:01:00 - [37] - Quote Buzzwords wrote: BULLSHIT! your rebellion is nothing more than a childs tantrum upon realizing that yes, the rules do indeed apply to you as well! you will be spanked, grounded, and 40 years from now you will thanks us for it! After you've wiped our culture and tradition from the face of the galaxies and forced your imperialistic Gallentean ways onto us. Stamping out all that was Caldari once and for all. Your made up rules never existed when we made those colonies. We weren't even in the Federation! Then you try to steal them from us, what we rightfully built, and then call us children throwing a tantrum! You show your true colors you Gallente dog! See you on the battlefield!
kellogs27 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 63	Posted - 2012.08.31 12:03:00 - [38] - Quote To be fair none of you should be patriots as we're all mercenaries who have decided that we've had enough of fighting our governments wars. Also Caldari ftw.
Van Aewulf Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 95	Posted - 2012.08.31 12:04:00 - [39] - Quote Shiro Mokuzan wrote: When I first made my EVE character, I was torn between choosing Caldari or Gallente, and I eventually went with Gallente. Now, in DUST, I went with Caldari. It's interesting being on both sides with different characters. Technically we're brothers, and I hope one day you'll fully come to our side and see the imperalistic tendencies of your Federation in the galaxy at large and on the field. (read: become Caldari sympathizer)
Van Aewulf Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 95	Posted - 2012.08.31 12:04:00 - [40] - Quote ONS THAT GUY wrote: Are we LARPING???? Cause at one point through all these comments i swear it was like an all out just Cyber LARP war. damn this is interesting. Keep up the good comments. Damn i just cant wait to kill the Gallente and Get my million SP and ISK We're totally LARPing :)

Van Aewulf Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 95	Posted - 2012.08.31 12:08:00 - [41] - Quote GR1NCH wrote: god ive missed EVE , this entire thread is awesome ! best read ever love it . LOL glad you enjoyed it. I just hope people understand now that Gallente are not freedom fighters. They're oppressors of the worst kind, stamping out the cultural identity of anyone who doesn't agree with their way of life. The Intaki Syndicate is a prime example of this: Formed by Intaki exiles from the Gallente Federation during the Caldari-Gallente War, the Syndicate has slowly grown in stature and influence. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Intaki_Syndicate_(NPC_corporation) Anybody who doesn't agree with Gallente forms of governments and rules are branded rebels and dealt with by the military as such. The Caldari and Intaki are brothers in a way... we're fighting against the same oppression.
kellogs27 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 63	Posted - 2012.08.31 12:09:00 - [42] - Quote also this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eAIQR01ZLw Note that the Gallente-Caldari war is over and we've made peace. Our current conflict stems from a Gallente Admiral pulling a 9/11 on a caldari station. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M0Iqbz5ZpE
Van Aewulf Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 95	Posted - 2012.08.31 12:12:00 - [43] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: After ive read the lore between the Minmatar vs Amarr and Caldari vs Gal i cant understand why in EVE and espc in faction warfare why the minmatar and caldari are not allys tbh Currently in FW the amarr and caldari and allys and the minmatar and gal are also allys but the gal seemed to want to enslave the caldari so to speak into the federation and the caldari didnt want that likewise the minmatar fought against the amarr for freedom The only reason is that we, the Caldari, don't have the blob factor that the Gallente and Amarr do. The Amarrians have an empire large enough to scare the Gallente into leaving us alone and governing ourselves the way we wish. We have more in common with the Minmatar, but the Minmatar need the Gallente Federation to scare the Amarrians into a truce. All out war is prevented due to these alliances. We need each other's enemy to preserve and secure our own existence. The web is very thick in EVE lore politics. The Minmatar and Caldari are both rebels, but can't preserve their own existence without the alliance of a superpower.
carl von oppenheimer Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 158	Posted - 2012.08.31 12:22:00 - [44] - Quote You do realise that Caldari have no qualms with slaves as it's good business to have workers that you don't have to pay anything and can easily be replaced by sending them back to Amarr for "training camps" to learn some civility and word of god ? What we fight against is the oligarchy of the Caldari state not it's people though misguided as they are in their views. Also blockade was better then the Caldari style which is carpet bombing first and peace talks later; more bombs you drop the more money you make from it after all.
Van Aewulf Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 95	Posted - 2012.08.31 12:25:00 - [45] - Quote kellogs27 wrote: also this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eAIQR01ZLw Note that the Gallente-Caldari war is over and we've made peace. Our current conflict stems from a Gallente Admiral pulling a 9/11 on a caldari station. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M0Iqbz5ZpE I've placed them at the top of the original post. You're correct that is what began the present 'Faction Warfare', but I suppose I'm highlighting the past actions of the Gallente to show that they aren't the freedom fighters that they claim to be. Thanks for the linkage though, I hadn't seen the first video you linked.
Van Aewulf Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 95	Posted - 2012.08.31 12:32:00 - [46] - Quote carl von oppenheimer wrote: You do realise that Caldari have no qualms with slaves as it's good business to have workers that you don't have to pay anything and can easily be replaced by sending them back to Amarr for "training camps" to learn some civility and word of god ? What we fight against is the oligarchy of the Caldari state not it's people though misguided as they are in their views. Also blockade was better then the Caldari style which is carpet bombing first and peace talks later; more bombs you drop the more money you make from it after all. You spew lies and nothing more! Read for yourself, I don't know how much more apparent it could possibly be: Perhaps uniquely among the people of New Eden, the Caldari have no known history of slavery. While their critics often use the term GÇ£wage slaveGÇ¥ in reference to Caldari workers, in reality, Caldari workers enjoy freedoms that set them apart from actual slaves. While conditions among the working class can be harsh, recent reforms under Tibus Heth have been aimed at easing the burdens of the workers, though the efficacy of these programs is debatable. I may note that the only reason the working class conditions are so harsh is due to the hardships your Federation brought on our people through a needless and reprehensible war of aggression. The Caldari have no record of enslaving other races or each other. While they have conquered and killed, slavery seems to be unheard of among the Caldari. There are numerous theories given as to why this is the case; the most widely accepted is that the harsh conditions on Caldari Prime made enslaving others not worth the trouble. The arrival of the Gallente and the subsequent rise of the corporate culture of the Caldari reinforced this predilection against slavery. It wasn't until contact with the Amarr Empire that the concept of slavery was introduced to Caldari society. The Caldari considered it a curiosity, but as they were locked in a struggle with the Federation, they were unable to contemplate it deeply. Slavery is a completely alien concept to most Caldari. Despite this, they do not consider it necessarily immoral. Rather, the Caldari view slavery through a very practical lens. While they understand slaves provide ostensibly free labor, they also realize that a slave owner needs to feed, house, and clothe his slaves. Additionally, though slaves can produce items of value, they are unable to purchase anything and thus cannot contribute to a healthy economy. Therefore, the Caldari view slavery as a misguided notion that does more harm to an economy (and thus a proper society) than good. However, the Caldari also consider the affairs of other nations their own business, as long as it does no direct harm to the State. As a result, the Caldari find no difficulty in being allied with the Amarr Empire and Khanid Kingdom. They may believe those nations would serve as better trading partners should they abolish slavery, but they wouldn't presume to meddle with their society. References: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Slavery#Caldari_State
Van Aewulf Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 95	Posted - 2012.08.31 12:41:00 - [47] - Quote carl von oppenheimer wrote: Also blockade was better then the Caldari style which is carpet bombing first and peace talks later; more bombs you drop the more money you make from it after all. I needed a seperate post for this one because of just how wrong it is. The Nouvelle Rouvenor attack was carried out by Caldari partisan radicals outside of the purview of the Caldari government, which I may add, barely existed at the time of the terrorist attack. They were radical terrorists operating under their own accord. Your people's military bombed our homeworld on the actions of a few terrorists!!! May I quote again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXWf-l71MY4 Following the attack on Nouvelle Rouvenor an extreme right-wing government grabbed the power reigns in the Gallente Federation and advocated a harsh response: bombing Caldari Prime and sending in troops to take control of the planet.Those within the Federation believing that peace talks should be initiated instead of an invasion didnGÇÖt dare speak up for fear of being branded cowards or, worse, traitors; the Gallente war machine grinded into gear. It soon became obvious that it was a question of when, not if, the Gallenteans would take full control of the planet. The newly formed Caldari government, led by the heads of the Corporations, was far from being in full agreement as to what the correct course of action was. This disagreement, which severely hampered the Caldari State in following a coherent strategy, was only settled after the Morning of Reasoning, when the six most militant Corporations jointly ousted the other CEOGÇÖs from power. The Caldari saw that it was impossible to try to fight the much larger Gallente Federation for control of Caldari Prime. Instead, they started devising a plan to evacuate the Caldari population on the planet.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1903	Posted - 2012.08.31 13:24:00 - [48] - Quote The Caldari propaganda machine might be hard at work twisting facts and altering truths to seem innocent, yet we Gallenteans now their true face. We know how they left as soon as there was more money to be made without us. We know how they murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, then turned around and blamed it on "extremists", or worse still, your fellow Gallenteans. We have witnessed Caldari vessels, transporting Amarran slaves. We watch as Caldari civilians are worked to the bone for minimal pay, all to increase the profits of the wealthiest Caldari. Should we allow them to continue spreading their evil ways across the galaxy, there's no telling what could happen. Between them and the Amarr, we face a very real threat, one that threatens to blot out all that we hold dear. We have stood for Freedom and Democracy, we have given shelter to the Minmitar, and freed them from the very slave pens the Caldari have helped to fill!!! No wonder the Caldari scorn us for putting a blockade around Caldari Prime. Unlike those ungrateful children, WE know how to honor the law, how to stand by and contribute to the whole of our society, even in its darkest times. Unlike the Caldari, we don't turn tail and run at the slightest hint of higher profits. We don't abandon all that we hold dear, just to make a quick buck. No, the Gallente are proud and true, warriors of justice, hell bent on ridding this universe of the corrupt and wicked. SOLDIERS!!! THE TIME IS SOON AT HAND!!! DON YOUR ARMOR, PICK UP YOUR WEAPONS, FOR TONIGHT, WE SHALL TEACH THE CALDARI WHAT IT MEANS TO FIGHT FOR FREEDOM!!! TO ARMS!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEmLcoRpCEo
Van Aewulf Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 95	Posted - 2012.08.31 13:55:00 - [49] - Quote Listen to him if you will, but do not heed the lies of the Federation. They fight to snuff out anyone and anything that does not agree with their way of life. They believe they're the one true government, the one true authority... sounds a lot like the Amarr does it not? Our secession was due to their attempt to seize what we rightfully built before the formation of the Federation. When the Gallenteans found out they might not have full control of everything, they attempted to seize our beloved colonies and blockade our homeworld. The Gallentean agitators push some of our more extremist radicals to extreme measures. The Caldari government, barely in its infancy, wasn't even allowed the time to perform an investigation. The government was so indecisive that the six megacorporations had to oust the indecisive leadership and take full dictatorial control to get things done. By then, though, it was too late. The Gallenteans had begun orbital bombardment of our homeworld and a full scale invasion. Tovil-Toba sacrificed himself and his crew to buy our brethren enough time to evacuate our homeworld that the Gallentean aggressors took from us. The Gallenteans didn't give us a chance to investigate the terrorism, rather, jumped straight to the genocide of our people. Our 'evil ways' consist of providing profits to support all people efficiently. To make the most of what few resources we have, the resources our Gallente 'brethren' attempt to take from us and brought us to the point of secession. They instigated this by attempting to take what we rightfully built before the Federation ever existed. It wasn't their business to meddle in our affairs, and it still is not today. We are so against the act of slavery, that we refused help to rescue trapped miners because the rescuers were slaves. We have never condoned slavery in the State, and the act of transporting them or owning them is illegal. Radical elements may have sought to profit from the black market trade of slave, but what faction does not have its criminal elements? May I remind that you that it was the Gallente who practiced slavery in their past. The Caldari have never practiced or participated in the slave trade in our long history. The Gallente cannot say the same. Finally, you seek to undermine an empire by participating in a civil war to undermine the only power more powerful than you. Does this sound familiar? Your war against us is to expand your own power, and undermining the other superpower only serves to benefit your ultimate goal: to be the ultimate source of authority and power in New Eden. Your fight isn't to help the plight of the Minmatar, it is to secure your place as the premiere superpower of New Eden and nothing more. You honor the law by not allowing us to conduct our own investigation of the terrorist bombing. You immediately begin bombardment of a planet whose infant government has barely had time to meet much less set up a justice system. Your first gut reaction is to allow a fascist right-wing regime to seize power and pursue genocide against a nearly helpless population. We have fought valiantly against you, and for such a small nation, have resisted your imperial tendencies to assimilate us into your culture. Tovil-Toba sacrificed himself and his men to save millions of innocent civilians that you were pressing genocide against. He flew in against an armada of Federation oppressors and bought our people enough time to escape the genocide. We drove you out of the Caldari border zone. If you wish to remove the corrupt and wicked from this universe, you need only look at yourselves and your crony government. Caldari, countrymen, prepare yourselves for the time of liberation is soon as at hand. We will rid ourselves of the yoke of Federal tyranny, and perhaps even inspire our Itanki brethren to join us in this fight against the oppressors! We fight not only for our freedom, but for our independence! We shall preserve our progeny and legacy by force! Death to the imperialist Federation!
Dariuz Krul Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2012.08.31 16:16:00 - [50] - Quote Kinda, four factions are fighting an ideological proxy war, in a kind of Roman Coliseum atmosphere under the Umpires known as CONCORD. The one ongoing between the Gallente and the Caldari pits pure corporate capitalism(The Caldari), an open meritocracy against social democracy (The Gallente), a form of covert socialism. I see it more like the Gallente are the Americans (Gallente Cultural Deliverance) who made a military governorship out of Japan after WWII and began instilling American standards, like baseball, upon the Japanese.. Only the Caldari were able to run away to another planet.. Winning hearts and minds.. Also, like the Japanese, the Caldari took what the Gallente were teaching them and applied their own values to it, making the Gallente look like amateur carnies in the money makin business.. Case in point, Jita! Might I have ties to the Caldari in Eve? Very cool thread, though, and good work, btw...

Van Aewulf Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 95	Posted - 2012.08.31 16:24:00 - [51] - Quote Dariuz Krul wrote: Kinda, four factions are fighting an ideological proxy war, in a kind of Roman Coliseum atmosphere under the Umpires known as CONCORD. The one ongoing between the Gallente and the Caldari pits pure corporate capitalism(The Caldari), an open meritocracy against social democracy (The Gallente), a form of covert socialism. Agreed. The only thing I would add to that is that the Gallente perpetrate a war against the Caldari in an effort to force them back into a social democracy when the Caldari have made it perfectly clear they don't want to be a part of that type of government. The text makes it clear that the Caldari would be satisfied with a peace settlement that includes access to their homeworld and non-interference from Gallente influence on their colonies. Also, CONCORD is an organization established and funded by the five empires to enforce the agreements between them. In so many words, a not-so-useless UN CONCORD stands for Consolidated Cooperation and Relations Command. CONCORD was founded over a century ago, not long after the five empires had established contact with each other. Relationships between the five empires were strained right from the start and one of the main purposes of CONCORD was to ease the fragile tension and create a foundation for the empires to work their differences out in a peaceful manner. In this regard, the workings of CONCORD can be said to have been successful, since the empires have kept the peace over the last century. On numerous occasions relationships deteriorated to within an inch of all out war, but through the efforts of CONCORD a compromise solution has always been found. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CONCORD
Daniel Campo Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.08.31 19:21:00 - [52] - Quote I myself am proud to be Caldari! I pledge to fight these Gallentean bullies to the death no matter the cost! We will not be oppressed any longer!
Seraph Azriel Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 12	Posted - 2012.09.01 08:37:00 - [53] - Quote Caldari= Ron Paul would have been Caldari. Personal liberty and economic freedom
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.09.01 11:46:00 - [54] - Quote Van Aewulf wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: After ive read the lore between the Minmatar vs Amarr and Caldari vs Gal i cant understand why in EVE and espc in faction warfare why the minmatar and caldari are not allys tbh Currently in FW the amarr and caldari and allys and the minmatar and gal are also allys but the gal seemed to want to enslave the caldari so to speak into the federation and the caldari didnt want that likewise the minmatar fought against the amarr for freedom The only reason is that we, the Caldari, don't have the blob factor that the Gallente and Amarr do. The Amarrians have an empire large enough to scare the Gallente into leaving us alone and governing ourselves the way we wish. We have more in common with the Minmatar, but the Minmatar need the Gallente Federation to scare the Amarrians into a truce. All out war is prevented due to these alliances. We need each other's enemy to preserve and secure our own existence. The web is very thick in EVE lore politics. The Minmatar and Caldari are both rebels, but can't preserve their own existence without the alliance of a superpower. TBH yes i can see it We still have more in common with the Minmatar, both of us fighting against evil for our freedom and survival
La Fortune Terranauts 36	Posted - 2012.09.01 12:19:00 - [55] - Quote The Caldari have themselves to blame. Quote: For the next few days nothing much happened. The Caldari were content to sit by the jump gates, while the Gallenteans were debating how to best negotiate a peace agreement. But the Caldari on Caldari Prime were restless. They found the Gallente blockade intolerable and soon small-scale guerrilla activities escalated into all out hostilities. In the end the Gallente population on the planet had to pay the price for the FederationGÇÖs indecisiveness. The turning point came when Caldari partisans sabotaged the glass dome of the Gallente-inhabited underwater city Nouvelle Rouvenor. More than half a million perished. From then on a lengthy, bloody war between the two races was all but inevitable GÇô the Federation retaliated at once by sending an invasion force down to Caldari Prime and began a systematic orbital bombardment of the planet. Soon, the Caldari population had been driven to the mountains and the forests; their resistance getting weaker by the day. The only question was: how would the newly formed Caldari State respond? Anyway this is ancient history, the more pressing concern right now is the Caldari segregating the entire Gallente population of Caldari Prime and holding them hostage with a Titan in orbit. As for the Minmatar the only reason they're even an Empire right now is because of all the aid the Gallente gave them, both with trillions in ISK and military training.
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.09.01 12:26:00 - [56] - Quote La Fortune wrote: The Caldari have themselves to blame. Quote: For the next few days nothing much happened. The Caldari were content to sit by the jump gates, while the Gallenteans were debating how to best negotiate a peace agreement. But the Caldari on Caldari Prime were restless. They found the Gallente blockade intolerable and soon small-scale guerrilla activities escalated into all out hostilities. In the end the Gallente population on the planet had to pay the price for the FederationGÇÖs indecisiveness. The turning point came when Caldari partisans sabotaged the glass dome of the Gallente-inhabited underwater city Nouvelle Rouvenor. More than half a million perished. From then on a lengthy, bloody war between the two races was all but inevitable GÇô the Federation retaliated at once by sending an invasion force down to Caldari Prime and began a systematic orbital bombardment of the planet. Soon, the Caldari population had been driven to the mountains and the forests; their resistance getting weaker by the day. The only question was: how would the newly formed Caldari State respond? Anyway this is ancient history, the more pressing concern right now is the Caldari segregating the entire Gallente population of Caldari Prime and holding them hostage with a Titan in orbit. As for the Minmatar the only reason they're even an Empire right now is because of all the aid the Gallente gave them, both with trillions in ISK and military training. If you didnt force the blockade on us then our citizens would not have felt like prisioners on ther own planet thus they wouldnt have lashed out at the Gallente which we allowed to live on our planet You caused this yourself, you abandonded your citizens, you backed our people into a corner over something trivial
Van Aewulf Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 95	Posted - 2012.09.01 15:09:00 - [57] - Quote La Fortune wrote: Anyway this is ancient history, the more pressing concern right now is the Caldari segregating the entire Gallente population of Caldari Prime and holding them hostage with a Titan in orbit. As for the Minmatar the only reason they're even an Empire right now is because of all the aid the Gallente gave them, both with trillions in ISK and military training. Maybe if you hadn't occupied our homeworld we wouldn't need to have taken such drastic measures. Give us back our homeworld, and perhaps one day peace may be realized again. Your agenda for the Minmatar, sir, is to undermine the Amarr empire and place yourself on top of New Eden's list of super powers. The only agenda here is for the Gallente to fight a proxy war and weaken the only rival who can stop them from forcing our Caldari State back into a Federation they, the Caldari, do not wish to be a part of. Who then next? Will the Federation decide that the Minmatar need to be members of their Federation as well? Will they fight a war of aggression to force their way of life on the Minmatar? The Gallente are using subterfuge, and proxy wars, to open a path for them to finally take our homes once and for all and place them under Federation jurisdiction. You fear the Amarr, and that is why we must use them to keep your power in check.
aden slayer ZionTCD Legacy Rising 407	Posted - 2012.09.01 15:53:00 - [58] - Quote Caldari rebels if you look at this PAGE here you will see descriptions of the factions. And The Gallente federation are the good guys BY DEFAULT.
STB Vermaak Doe 558	Posted - 2012.09.01 17:03:00 - [59] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: After ive read the lore between the Minmatar vs Amarr and Caldari vs Gal i cant understand why in EVE and espc in faction warfare why the minmatar and caldari are not allys tbh Currently in FW the amarr and caldari and allys and the minmatar and gal are also allys but the gal seemed to want to enslave the caldari so to speak into the federation and the caldari didnt want that likewise the minmatar fought against the amarr for freedom We never tried to enslave any race. When they hid from us, we kicked them off of their own home planet because it is unsettlingly close to ours
STB Vermaak Doe 558	Posted - 2012.09.01 17:08:00 - [60] - Quote Van Aewulf wrote: La Fortune wrote: Anyway this is ancient history, the more pressing concern right now is the Caldari segregating the entire Gallente population of Caldari Prime and holding them hostage with a Titan in orbit. As for the Minmatar the only reason they're even an Empire right now is because of all the aid the Gallente gave them, both with trillions in ISK and military training. Maybe if you hadn't occupied our homeworld we wouldn't need to have taken such drastic measures. Give us back our homeworld, and perhaps one day peace may be realized again. Your agenda for the Minmatar, sir, is to undermine the Amarr empire and place yourself on top of New Eden's list of super powers. The only agenda here is for the Gallente to fight a proxy war and weaken the only rival who can stop them from forcing our Caldari State back into a Federation they, the Caldari, do not wish to be a part of. Who then next? Will the Federation decide that the Minmatar need to be members of their Federation as well? Will they fight a war of aggression to force their way of life on the Minmatar? The Gallente are using subterfuge, and proxy wars, to open a path for them to finally take our homes once and for all and place them under Federation jurisdiction. You fear the Amarr, and that is why we must use them to keep your power in check. Minmatar are already in the federation, just like the others in it their way of life has not been changed



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