Noc was the target of our a fore mentioned dropship based shenanigans. See the kind of rage it produces when a tank is destroyed! Once again, they are not currently too cheap.

@ Noc Tempre I love how upset this is making u

Protect the I win tank at all costs lol

Killed 4 tanks so far with dropships so seems the best counter atm well aside from another OP tank.

Out of the top 10 with most kills how many are tank users?



Edit: also you numbers are waaay off or your just fighting scrubs. I get over 100k isk per game so 5-6 games haz me a nice new tank with all the top end mods.

Also how the hell are you broke I'm rolling in isk almost like its the last build.

On one hand, I know responding to an obvious troll is pointless because you are making stretched conclusions from cherry picked examples. On the other hand, having your garbage on the first page without pointing out the error is a peeve for me.

You don't average 100k isk per game. You have games that get over 100k isk, but no one is averaging that much, even players much better than you or I. Furthermore, even at 100k isk average, it is about 10 rounds for a top fit tier 1 tank. If you shop by price instead of raw performance, yes that price may go down. But if you're in that deep, best to commit the extra 20%.

Furthermore you point out the obvious, tanks are not strong enough to justify their prices. If they can "easily be killed" by a single player, then they are a joke. I'm guessing you use militia gear all the time, because that is the only way you would have >5M isk at the moment. Tha't hardly rolling in ISK when that used to take 5-10 games max.

And finally, the only reason I am broke is disconnects. Plain and simple 80% of all ISK I've earned this build has been lost to disconnects. Another 10% were barrel-rolling in vipers. And the last 10% were non-militia fits to other players.

The main problem is not enough people running AV. (Militia shock fit does not count because it is just plain terrible and harmless to tanks)

I've lost more tanks to disconnects than I ahve to people blowing them up. Once the new people in the beta start learning how to run AV with av grenandes and nonmilia swarms, maybe we'll actually start dying. Cost increase is not neccessary. Decently fit gunloggi still costs 1m isk or so.

I disagree. I've fired off three volleys that hit with the militia swarm and didn't even bring a tank's shields down by half. Yes, I was running militia because I was just getting killed over and over, getting off one volley if I was lucky before getting mowed down no matter how many allies I had nearby (firing a swarm makes you a very obvious target). But with the best swarm launcher you're getting a 50% bonus over the militia swarm, plus whatever you can get with light weapon upgrades. Mathematically, if I'd been using a top-of-the-line swarm launcher (the swarm launcher skill doesn't improve damage anyway), maybe with luck I'd have brought the shields down and dented the armor. Still nowhere near enough to kill the tank. And firing off three locked volleys is really good. It's rare you'll get off more than two if your opponents have any kind of skill or organization--either you'll get shot down or your target will move out of range.

I don't think the answer is more expensive tanks, I think the answer is more effective AV. The reason so many AV people run militia is because they know it's a suicide mission to distract the tank and not actually a bid to destroy it.

I know there's some reasonable doubt about this, so last night before bed I put together a build with the highest-grade equipment I could get and AV grenades to boot. Next time I encounter one of these tanks I'm going to pour out all the hurt I can and then make a final decision whether the balance is off. Looking at the math, though, it seems unlikely to be effective.

I disagree. I've fired off three volleys that hit with the militia swarm and didn't even bring a tank's shields down by half. Yes, I was running militia because I was just getting killed over and over, getting off one volley if I was lucky before getting mowed down no matter how many allies I had nearby (firing a swarm makes you a very obvious target). But with the best swarm launcher you're getting a 50% bonus over the militia swarm, plus whatever you can get with light weapon upgrades. Mathematically, if I'd been using a top-of-the-line swarm launcher (the swarm launcher skill doesn't improve damage anyway), maybe with luck I'd have brought the shields down and dented the armor. Still nowhere near enough to kill the tank. And firing off three locked volleys is really good. It's rare you'll get off more than two if your opponents have any kind of skill or organization--either you'll get shot down or your target will move out of range.

I don't think the answer is more expensive tanks, I think the answer is more effective AV. The reason so many AV people run militia is because they know it's a suicide mission to distract the tank and not actually a bid to destroy it.

I know there's some reasonable doubt about this, so last night before bed I put together a build with the highest-grade equipment I could get and AV grenades to boot. Next time I encounter one of these tanks I'm going to pour out all the hurt I can and then make a final decision whether the balance is off. Looking at the math, though, it seems unlikely to be effective.

The main problem is not enough people running AV. (Militia shock fit does not count because it is just plain terrible and harmless to tanks)

I've lost more tanks to disconnects than I ahve to people blowing them up. Once the new people in the beta start learning how to run AV with av grenandes and nonmilia swarms, maybe we'll actually start dying. Cost increase is not neccessary. Decently fit gunloggi still costs 1m isk or so.

You had a militia swarm and are complaining a tank didn't die in 3 shots (which includes one reload). You really have no experience to make any conclusions about AV weapon strength. I've played both sides and it's too easy to kill a tank and requires hiding to for the tank to stay alive vs real AV.

Only seeing tankys defending tanks atm. Any other opinions ?

Whats your point? Are you saying it should stay as it is?

Skill up or shut up.

A milita tank cost 140k
A standerd tank costs 200k
A mauder cost 1.2m
Right away this shows that there is no middle ground in terms of tank priceing the cost increase from milita to standerd is not relivent to the incease in survivability, firepower or adaptabilaty that the standerd offers .
The price should be more inbetween the two in the 500k range.
Lets keep in mind that the proto hevy suit alone is 170k thats a just 30k less than a standerd tank !